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Created by: Hammerwise
Team: 2023-24 Philadelphia Flyers
Initial Creation Date: May 18, 2023
Published: May 18, 2023
Salary Cap Mode: Basic
Description
ARZ which has 21 picks in the first 3 rounds: do they want someone young-ish for now, someone to bridge the gap while their current crop of youngsters and oodles of picks come to develop? Not just scrubs but a couple of young-ish (25 and 27) signed longterm who have some talent?

Hayes at 5.5m for 3 years is a solid playmaker for a team with young wings, (his production is definitely in line with 5.5mil) needing a passer, for bemstrom (appears to be odd man out, but still young with upside), aprobable late in the round 3rd TWO drafts away and a 4th THREE drafts away?
DeAngelo has a monster 21-22 year on a good club, had 40+ pts on a bad team, and SEA needs a bit more of a puck rusher/pt producer on defense, picks are pretty meh, and TDA probably carries that value to TDL if it doesn;t work out.

Zadina is young and an expiring 1.8 RFA who hasnt put it together as yet, DET gets a 2024 1st for the lowest of their 3 2023 2nds

Seeler is probably worth a late 3rd/4th at this point, hes got good metrics, solid fit in TB and picks are pretty meh

Petersen is pure negative value, with TWO years left, cost a bit of retention and Spence (who is LAs second best RD prospect) for a further into his development LD. At 4mil, even if PHI decides Errson is ready, the AHL hit is just under 3mil (for LA, its 4mil if they kept him)

Solid defense, giving Provorov that needed steady RD and Attard a steady LD vet, with York having sa stay at home partner. Spence and Andrae given time to develop and 2024 draft is loaded with dmen.

PHI has alot of RWs currently, with just Gautheir, Desnoyers at LW a year off. They lack RD and C prospects, Bemstrom/Zadina/Atkinson/Konevckny all play RW-LW, provides more balance, although it is reliant on frost to continue as a 2C and sliding Cates and Laughton back to 3C and 4C. Leaves good cap space, lots of kids playing, half of team under 25 yrs old.
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
3$975,000
3$975,000
3$975,000
3$2,175,000
3$2,675,000
3$2,175,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
5$6,250,000
2$1,650,000
5$4,550,000
2$1,150,000
Trades
1.
PHI
  1. 2024 2nd round pick (BOS)
Additional Details:
Jay OBrien Compansation, NOT ANA
ANA
2.
PHI
  1. Bemström, Emil
  2. 2024 3rd round pick (LAK)
  3. 2025 4th round pick (CBJ)
CBJ
  1. Hayes, Kevin ($1,642,857 retained)
3.
4.
PHI
  1. 2024 4th round pick (SEA)
  2. 2025 3rd round pick (SEA)
Additional Details:
DeAngelo had 40+ pts in 60 games and a +30 in CAR, on a bad team that couldnt score, TDA still got 40+ pts
5.
PHI
  1. 2024 5th round pick (TBL)
  2. 2025 5th round pick (TBL)
6.
PHI
  1. Petersen, Cal ($1,000,000 retained)
  2. Spence, Jordan
7.
PHI
  1. Zadina, Filip
  2. 2023 2nd round pick (VAN)
DET
  1. 2023 6th round pick (OTT)
  2. 2024 1st round pick (FLA)
Buyouts
Retained Salary Transactions
DraftRound 1Round 2Round 3Round 4Round 5Round 6Round 7
2023
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2024
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Logo of the BOS
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Logo of the LAK
Logo of the PHI
Logo of the SEA
Logo of the LAK
Logo of the TBL
Logo of the PHI
Logo of the PHI
2025
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Logo of the SEA
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Logo of the CBJ
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Logo of the TBL
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ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
23$83,500,000$79,074,357$1,187,500$0$4,425,643
Left WingCentreRight Wing
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$7,150,000$7,150,000
LW, RW
UFA - 5
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$7,750,000$7,750,000
C
NMC
UFA - 7
Logo of the Philadelphia Flyers
$5,500,000$5,500,000
RW, LW
UFA - 2
Logo of the Philadelphia Flyers
$5,875,000$5,875,000
RW, LW
M-NTC
UFA - 2
Logo of the Philadelphia Flyers
$2,675,000$2,675,000
C
RFA - 2
Logo of the Philadelphia Flyers
$863,333$863,333
RW
RFA - 2
Logo of the Columbus Blue Jackets
$900,000$900,000
RW, LW
RFA - 1
Logo of the Philadelphia Flyers
$2,175,000$2,175,000
C, LW
RFA - 2
Logo of the Philadelphia Flyers
$1,500,000$1,500,000
RW, LW
UFA - 1
Logo of the Philadelphia Flyers
$1,750,000$1,750,000
LW, RW
M-NTC
UFA - 3
Logo of the Philadelphia Flyers
$3,000,000$3,000,000
C, LW
UFA - 3
Logo of the Detroit Red Wings
$1,100,000$1,100,000
RW, LW
RFA - 1
Logo of the Philadelphia Flyers
$1,150,000$1,150,000
LW, RW
UFA - 1
Logo of the Philadelphia Flyers
$785,000$785,000
RW
RFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
Logo of the Philadelphia Flyers
$4,725,000$4,725,000
LD
UFA - 2
$6,250,000$6,250,000
RD
UFA - 8
Logo of the Philadelphia Flyers
$3,979,000$3,979,000
G
RFA - 1
Logo of the Philadelphia Flyers
$2,175,000$2,175,000
LD/RD
RFA - 2
Logo of the Philadelphia Flyers
$5,100,000$5,100,000
RD
UFA - 4
Logo of the Los Angeles Kings
$4,000,000$4,000,000
G
M-NTC
UFA - 2
$4,550,000$4,550,000
LD
UFA - 6
Logo of the Philadelphia Flyers
$975,000$975,000
RD
RFA - 2
$1,650,000$1,650,000
RD
UFA - 3
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
Logo of the Philadelphia Flyers
$6,250,000$6,250,000
RD
UFA - 4
Taxi Squad
Logo of the Philadelphia Flyers
$925,000$925,000 ($0$0$0$0) (Performance Bonus$425,000$425K)
RW
RFA - 1
Logo of the Philadelphia Flyers
$825,000$825,000 ($0$0$0$0) (Performance Bonus$37,500$38K)
C, LW
RFA - 2
Logo of the Los Angeles Kings
$820,000$820,000 ($0$0$0$0) (Performance Bonus$82,500$82K)
RD
RFA - 1
Logo of the Philadelphia Flyers
$903,333$903,333 ($0$0$0$0) (Performance Bonus$32,500$32K)
LD
RFA - 3
Logo of the Philadelphia Flyers
$859,167$859,167 ($0$0$0$0) (Performance Bonus$32,500$32K)
G
RFA - 1

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May 18, 2023 at 5:35 a.m.
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The lowest of Detroits 2nds is Vancouver not STL
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May 18, 2023 at 7:21 a.m.
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Between age, expected decline, and the current state of the salary cap, you aren’t moving Hayes without more retention. To anybody, frankly.

I’d say his cap hit needs to get to about $4.5M. I’d be willing to add Bean or Roslovic to the deal. It balances the cap balance a bit, and at least gives PHI some young lottery tickets/ clears out CBJ roster spots at positions where we are flush with guys.
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May 18, 2023 at 8:20 a.m.
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I would do all of those deals except giving away out 2024 1st. Not interested in giving away 1st round picks for basically anything
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May 18, 2023 at 8:28 a.m.
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Between age, expected decline, and the current state of the salary cap, you aren’t moving Hayes without more retention. To anybody, frankly.

I’d say his cap hit needs to get to about $4.5M. I’d be willing to add Bean or Roslovic to the deal. It balances the cap balance a bit, and at least gives PHI some young lottery tickets/ clears out CBJ roster spots at positions where we are flush with guys.


Somewhat agree, Hayes is just 31 yrs old so deterioration probably wont be a cliff and the package NYI gave up for expiring UFA Horvat (a not dissimlar production example) at 28 yrs old was huge, and then he signed to an older age than Hayes for 8mil. Hayes at 31 yrs old, at 5 or 5.5mil has some value, and if PHI retains more I think they get compansated, maybe not from CBJ, but a 45+ pt guy for 5mil is going rate. Maybe Bean or Roslovic instead of Bemstrom, but ideally the picks are weak at best, with Bemstrom being the best piece coming back, and a 4mil, expiring Roslovic doesn;t get more retention or lower picks, probably the opposite..

And I think CBJ with the career loss of Voracek, needs a playmaker, and the above offer is pretty weak compared to most Ive seen on here from CBJ fans
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May 18, 2023 at 8:33 a.m.
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I would do all of those deals except giving away out 2024 1st. Not interested in giving away 1st round picks for basically anything


Thanks.

Zadina intrigues me: hes just 23 yrs old, a low risk/high reward, hes got almost every element a top 6 guy needs-just not put together consistently, he plays RW or LW, and its a 2023 2nd around 40th and Zadina for a 2024 pick around 18th-25th.

Sure, maybe a bit could be added, but I like the idea of bemstrom/Zadina playing RW-LW and seeing them for a year if one of them could be a nice top 6 or top 9 passing pt producer on a team full of shooters. Gautheir on LW probably arrives the year after, with atkinson soon gone, so its a good chance to see them audition for that weak LW.
May 18, 2023 at 9:05 a.m.
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Thanks.

Zadina intrigues me: hes just 23 yrs old, a low risk/high reward, hes got almost every element a top 6 guy needs-just not put together consistently, he plays RW or LW, and its a 2023 2nd around 40th and Zadina for a 2024 pick around 18th-25th.

Sure, maybe a bit could be added, but I like the idea of bemstrom/Zadina playing RW-LW and seeing them for a year if one of them could be a nice top 6 or top 9 passing pt producer on a team full of shooters. Gautheir on LW probably arrives the year after, with atkinson soon gone, so its a good chance to see them audition for that weak LW.


Yeah I get it for sure but the 2024 draft is supposed to be stacked on D and we all know how bad we need to restructure our D so two 1st round picks means we hopefully will hit on 1 of them at least
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May 18, 2023 at 11:07 a.m.
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Somewhat agree, Hayes is just 31 yrs old so deterioration probably wont be a cliff and the package NYI gave up for expiring UFA Horvat (a not dissimlar production example) at 28 yrs old was huge, and then he signed to an older age than Hayes for 8mil. Hayes at 31 yrs old, at 5 or 5.5mil has some value, and if PHI retains more I think they get compansated, maybe not from CBJ, but a 45+ pt guy for 5mil is going rate. Maybe Bean or Roslovic instead of Bemstrom, but ideally the picks are weak at best, with Bemstrom being the best piece coming back, and a 4mil, expiring Roslovic doesn;t get more retention or lower picks, probably the opposite..

And I think CBJ with the career loss of Voracek, needs a playmaker, and the above offer is pretty weak compared to most Ive seen on here from CBJ fans


If you are measuring purely on PPG, OK you can make a connection to Hayes and Horvat; but, Horvat also had/has a better history of two-way play (rememebr when he was hyped as a future perennial Selke candidate early in his career) which distinguishes their value. Not to mention, no one (not named Lou) is exactly celebrating the Horvat contract as a great signing to begin with. Plus, making the comparison of a TDL rental/ overpay for Horvat when he is at the top of his game (a la Hayes' UFA trade) is not the same as a trade for Hayes on a bloated, dissapointing contract with term left. It's like trying to compare JT Miller's trade value last TDL versus now, for example.

Not sure I'd make the comparison to Voracek either, who led CBJ in scoring his first year and had a much better offensive track record. CBJ mainly just need decent bodies at C, and Hayes friendship with JG (and Rick Nash) makes for a natural fit in a market where Hayes' contract is largely untradeable, and also limited by a modest NTC.



 
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