Canes pass easy on Marner. You get 75% of the productivity for 25% of the price with Necas.

Teuvo is worth more than a 3rd pairing D man and a 2nd

Scheifele is a bad fit, he doesn't play defense,

Kotkaniemi cannot play on the wing.

That Bertuzzi contract is an anchor. He's an LTIR case waiting to happen.

ROR I can get behind if Staal retires or doesn't come back, but he's basically the same and having both makes no sense. Keep the team captain.

Canes pass all around. Scheifele is awful defensively. If we wanted an awful 200 foot player, we would have kept Skinner

Ghost as 2RHD is bad.

75% eh? I didn't know that Necas is a Selke candidate?

Selke is not best defensive forward, it's best 200 foot forward. It's for the forwards that have a good enough season to deserve a trophy, but not good enough to be in the Hart conversation. If it was just best defensive forward, it would be Barkov, Backlund and Bergeron as the finalists every year. Necas is about as good defensively as Marner. Just only has 75% of the production

Selke is no longer the best defensive player. Lets not go down that road. Its the best offensive player that plays above average defense

Of course this is your response. While I agree it's more of a reputation award than based on sound reasoning, but no, Necas is not as good at defence as Marner. Marner and Matthews were top 5 in the league for defensive touches. Matthews was the best and by a very big margin. That means they are back in their zone being awesome defensively all the time. But we both know that doesn't matter, the one thing we can count on from you is to be grossly bias against the Leafs

Necas has better defensive analytics than Marner. Matthews is good defensively, but he's barely above average. That's all he needs to be.

And your arguing stat is "defensive touches" you realize that counts all defensive zone touches of the puck? The issue with that is that it would be great for tracking stuff like passes broken up and stuff, but the Toronto system relies on drop passes, which means that they're always dropping the puck back. You are looking through blue and white tinted glasses here. Carolina is an entire team built on defense. Necas THE BEST Cane this season, at least among the forwards. That's in all 3 zones. But you've going to be "grossly biased against the" Hurricanes

The Leafs say no. Teuvo's worth more, and Scheifele's worth less. Not enough salary for ROR.

Uhhh Necas doesn't have better defensive analytics than Marner though. Check your sources.

Evolving Hockey's RAPM charts, yes he does... what are you using? NST?

Right, I forgot, Cane fans think all their players are the best defensive players in the league based on absolutely nothing but their collective bias.

I would say if Selke was the best defensive forward, it would be Barkov, Bergeron, and Staal... I think Staal is just a little bit better of a defensive player than Backlund

I didn’t claim that but way to try to prove your point with a logical fallacy. Bravo

Are we surprised by this response? His defensive analytics are better, what stats are those? You likely won't say or you'll cherry pick some numbers while ignoring everything else to "prove" your opinion. In other words you have nothing

Nothing Interesting for Winnipeg.

You guys have no argument. Its the same all the time, all your players are the best and all Leafs are bad. It's 100% always what you guys say.

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Adding hyperbole into your argument is nice too. Outside of the one poster who you have already argued with and should be ignored, none of us fall into your hyperbolic category. Saying no thanks because the price isn’t worth the lack of cap flexibility and that we wouldn’t be able to afford him long term, isn’t saying he sucks.

The Canes value depth across the lineup. It seems you can’t handle that fact

The fact is Marner is an extremely good defensive player, it's a fact but here we are hearing how Necas is just as good and Marner isn't good defensively despite his Selke finalist status. Despite mountains of evidence to prove it.

Again I never claimed that, again that is the other poster. I just pointed out using Marner’s selke votes is silliness based on how the voting goes these days.

I wouldn’t give up Slavin for Fox just because fox gets more
norris love.

Marner is deserving. Matthews more so but reputation is not based on reality

Isn't Brind'AMour the coach to get Scheifele motivated to play a 200 foot game?

I've always like Brind'Amour going back to his playing days, and would trade picks to get him to coach the Jets (yes, I know it won't happen; I'm just a big fan)

I get what Canes fans are saying, but I think BA would be the perfect coach for him.

Now; Suzuki was a first round pick from three years ago who has yet to play a game in the NHL, so I'm not very keen on him, so I'd politely ask to take him off and give me Jarvis. Get us the great local kid.