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Team: 2023-24 Montreal Canadiens
Initial Creation Date: May 21, 2023
Published: May 21, 2023
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Description
Habs drafts selections

#5: Michkov/ Smith

#14: Reinbacher/Wood/Musty

#29: Hrabal/Perron/Dragicevic

#37: Hrabal/Halttunen
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
8$8,500,000
2$1,500,000
8$7,750,000
Trades
1.
MTL
  1. Liljegren, Timothy
  2. Muzzin, Jake
  3. 2023 1st round pick (BOS)
TOR
  1. Anderson, Josh
  2. Xhekaj, Arber
  3. 2023 3rd round pick (MTL)
2.
MTL
  1. Carter, Jeff
  2. Granlund, Mikael
  3. 2023 1st round pick (PIT)
PIT
  1. Kovacevic, Johnathan
  2. Ylönen, Jesse [RFA Rights]
  3. 2023 4th round pick (PIT)
  4. 2023 4th round pick (VGK)
3.
MTL
  1. 2025 3rd round pick (COL)
Additional Details:
Anywhere that needs cheap depth

Would cost like a 4th each or a 3rd for both idc anymore
COL
  1. Edmundson, Joel ($1,750,000 retained)
  2. Hoffman, Mike ($2,250,000 retained)
4.
MTL
  1. Dubois, Pierre-Luc [RFA Rights]
WPG
  1. Dvorak, Christian
  2. Mesar, Filip
  3. 2023 1st round pick (BOS)
Buyouts
Retained Salary Transactions
DraftRound 1Round 2Round 3Round 4Round 5Round 6Round 7
2023
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Logo of the FLA
Logo of the PIT
Logo of the MTL
Logo of the MTL
Logo of the MTL
Logo of the CGY
Logo of the MTL
Logo of the MTL
2024
Logo of the MTL
Logo of the COL
Logo of the MTL
Logo of the MTL
Logo of the MTL
Logo of the SJS
Logo of the MTL
Logo of the MTL
Logo of the EDM
2025
Logo of the MTL
Logo of the CGY
Logo of the MTL
Logo of the MTL
Logo of the COL
Logo of the MTL
Logo of the MTL
Logo of the MTL
Logo of the MTL
ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
21$82,500,000$74,314,166$1,170,000$4,752,500$8,185,834
Left WingCentreRight Wing
Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
$8,500,000$8,500,000
LW, RW
UFA - 8
Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
$3,362,500$3,362,500
C, RW
RFA - 3
Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
$950,000$950,000 (Performance Bonus$3,500,000$4M)
RW, LW
RFA - 2
Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
$897,500$897,500 (Performance Bonus$557,500$558K)
RW, LW
RFA - 2
$7,750,000$7,750,000
C
UFA - 8
Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
$7,875,000$7,875,000
C
UFA - 7
Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
$1,500,000$1,500,000
LW, RW
RFA - 2
Logo of the Pittsburgh Penguins
$5,000,000$5,000,000
C, RW
UFA - 2
Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
$6,500,000$6,500,000
RW, LW
M-NTC, NMC
UFA - 4
Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
$1,100,000$1,100,000
LW, RW
UFA - 1
Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
$1,700,000$1,700,000
C
UFA - 2
Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
$3,400,000$3,400,000
RW, LW
UFA - 2
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
$4,875,000$4,875,000
LD
M-NTC
UFA - 3
Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
$3,500,000$3,500,000
RD
UFA - 2
Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
$1,925,000$1,925,000
G
M-NTC
UFA - 2
Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
$863,333$863,333 (Performance Bonus$420,000$420K)
LD/RD
RFA - 2
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$1,400,000$1,400,000
RD
RFA - 1
Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
$1,000,000$1,000,000
G
UFA - 1
Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
$1,400,000$1,400,000
LD/RD
RFA - 2
Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
$925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$275,000$275K)
RD
RFA - 1
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
$762,500$762,500
RD
UFA - 1
Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
$10,500,000$10,500,000
G
NMC
UFA - 3
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$5,625,000$5,625,000
LD
M-NTC
UFA - 1

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May 21, 2023 at 9:50 p.m.
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Prepare to get yell at by Toronto and Pittsburgh fans. Those are fair trade but still, they will yell at you. Especially Pens fans that think they can dump Granlung for a fifth max.
May 21, 2023 at 9:51 p.m.
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The TO deal is very favorable for Montreal. I can see why the other moves would be a possibility albeit Colorado cap is probably too tight.
May 21, 2023 at 9:55 p.m.
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Quoting: GuyGuyGuy
Prepare to get yell at by Toronto and Pittsburgh fans. Those are fair trade but still, they will yell at you. Especially Pens fans that think they can dump Granlung for a fifth max.


Pen fans don’t like Granlund.

Leaf fans would take that deal if Montreal retained on Anderson. Also, no need to include Muzzin — he’ll go on LTIR — if he is healthy he’s a terrific defenceman.
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May 21, 2023 at 9:57 p.m.
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Quoting: Prime_Jimbo
The TO deal is very favorable for Montreal. I can see why the other moves would be a possibility albeit Colorado cap is probably too tight.


Col was a placeholder, i just want Eddy and Hoff gone anywhere

The TO deal does favor the Habs, was kinda trying to see how other Habs fans would react more than Leafs fans
May 21, 2023 at 9:59 p.m.
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Quoting: Newtown
Pen fans don’t like Granlund.

Leaf fans would take that deal if Montreal retained on Anderson. Also, no need to include Muzzin — he’ll go on LTIR — if he is healthy he’s a terrific defenceman.


Habs would never retain on Anderson. If his contract was 2 years, i could see it but 4 years left is too much. Thats why I added a contract and LTIR isnt active during the offseason. So Muzzin is technically counting towards the cap rn. Would help the Leafs make the major moves they should be making
May 21, 2023 at 10:02 p.m.
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Quoting: GuyGuyGuy
Prepare to get yell at by Toronto and Pittsburgh fans. Those are fair trade but still, they will yell at you. Especially Pens fans that think they can dump Granlung for a fifth max.


Literally nobody thinks that, but enjoy yourself.
May 21, 2023 at 10:04 p.m.
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Horrid for the Leafs. Anderson is not worth is cap, and Muzzin if he remains on LTIR doesn't hurt the Leafs cap at all. And LTIR doesn't hurt a team during the off season.
Horrid for Colorado and really any team, who don't want even retained cap dumps
May 21, 2023 at 10:11 p.m.
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All teams that aren't Montreal say no very easily.
May 21, 2023 at 10:12 p.m.
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Pens better accept and send a fruit basket
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May 21, 2023 at 10:13 p.m.
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Quoting: JeffGorton
Habs would never retain on Anderson. If his contract was 2 years, i could see it but 4 years left is too much. Thats why I added a contract and LTIR isnt active during the offseason. So Muzzin is technically counting towards the cap rn. Would help the Leafs make the major moves they should be making


A contract on LTIR has no barring on the cap. Anderson is a good player but overpaid for what he brings and cap space is the most limiting factor in todays NHL. Teams give away first round picks to save 5 million. Imagine what Anderson’s cap hit times four years could buy you on the open market. Plus you wouldn’t have to give up a first.

5.5 times 4 easily gets you Bertuzzi. Heck it might be enough for the Leafs to keep Bunting (3.2 million), Schenn (1 miillion) and Accari (1.3 million) which is heck of a lot better than just Anderson.
May 21, 2023 at 10:14 p.m.
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Whats MTL Motivation here?
Liljgren's basically Petry when we acquired him for a 2nd and 4th round pick
Muzzin is of no interest at all

Xhekaj alone has more value then anyone offered .
He's our Tom Wilson, dont ever expect him to leave as long as Caufields in MTL
May 21, 2023 at 10:15 p.m.
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Quoting: Billy739
Whats MTL Motivation here?
Liljgren's basically Petry when we acquired him for a 2nd and 4th round pick
Muzzin is of no interest at all

Xhekaj alone has more value then anyone offered .
He's our Tom Wilson, dont ever expect him to leave as long as Caufields in MTL


The extra 1st round pick and solid young RHD dman is not enough motivation. And they get to save 5m in cap
May 21, 2023 at 10:18 p.m.
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Quoting: Newtown
A contract on LTIR has no barring on the cap. Anderson is a good player but overpaid for what he brings and cap space is the most limiting factor in todays NHL. Teams give away first round picks to save 5 million. Imagine what Anderson’s cap hit times four years could buy you on the open market. Plus you wouldn’t have to give up a first.

5.5 times 4 easily gets you Bertuzzi. Heck it might be enough for the Leafs to keep Bunting (3.2 million), Schenn (1 miillion) and Accari (1.3 million) which is heck of a lot better than just Anderson.


1st off Bertuzzi never comes to canada. 2nd,Bunting isnt staying after being healthy scratched in the playoffs. 3rd, Bunting and Bertuzzi both get over 6 million and they are 7 year deals. 4th, Anderson scored more goals than both of them and has the playoff edge the Leafs actually need
May 21, 2023 at 10:19 p.m.
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that Pittsburgh trade would be nice
May 21, 2023 at 10:19 p.m.
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All teams that aren't Montreal say no very easily.


Of course youd say that. But once again, your opnion has a much merit as Dubas does when it comes to creating successful teams
May 21, 2023 at 10:26 p.m.
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1st off Bertuzzi never comes to canada. 2nd,Bunting isnt staying after being healthy scratched in the playoffs. 3rd, Bunting and Bertuzzi both get over 6 million and they are 7 year deals. 4th, Anderson scored more goals than both of them and has the playoff edge the Leafs actually need


Anderson did not score more than Bunting. I’m also not sure what playoff edge Anderson has, he’s got just 14 points in 43 playoff games, not the best
May 21, 2023 at 10:34 p.m.
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Quoting: JeffGorton
1st off Bertuzzi never comes to canada. 2nd,Bunting isnt staying after being healthy scratched in the playoffs. 3rd, Bunting and Bertuzzi both get over 6 million and they are 7 year deals. 4th, Anderson scored more goals than both of them and has the playoff edge the Leafs actually need


It doesn’t matter. There are a million better ways to spend 5.5 million times 4. That was just 2 examples. Now add a first round pick and the options are endless.
May 21, 2023 at 10:37 p.m.
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Anderson did not score more than Bunting. I’m also not sure what playoff edge Anderson has, he’s got just 14 points in 43 playoff games, not the best


The year Montreal made the finals there were 3 main factors, none of which were Anderson.

1) Price
2) Weber
3) The ability for Chariot, Edmundson and the rest of the Canadiens to cross check people in the head repeatedly and not get a penalty.
May 21, 2023 at 10:39 p.m.
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Anderson did not score more than Bunting. I’m also not sure what playoff edge Anderson has, he’s got just 14 points in 43 playoff games, not the best


Simple
Without him Schiefele isnt shut down
Without him Marners a bigger factor
Without him Karlsson opens MTL a new Ahole in the WCF on our SCF run.

He's a Prick and a Good one who draws as many penalties as he takes.
More important his Offensive Zone Entries is top of the team always since arriving
He battles along the boards and cycles pucks back to the defensman.
He's a big body who also likes to battle in front

But most importantly , what he has others dont as a Power Forward of his size?
Its his Speed and ability to capitalize on break aways where he just outright has 2 steps on everyone not named Mcdavid basically

Could he be better? Absolutely, he could play like the top 6 Winger we paid him to be
Issue is he's more of a middle 6 kinda guy who was elevated to protect Caufield once MSL took over as coach.
Its the same set up MIN used elevating Foligno and Bottom 6 Winger to Top line to protect Kaprisov.

If im building a team i want Anderson at Maroon rate's but that's a pipe dream in a tax province vs tax free state
May 21, 2023 at 10:43 p.m.
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Leaf fans would take that deal if Montreal retained on Anderson. Also, no need to include Muzzin — he’ll go on LTIR — if he is healthy he’s a terrific defenceman.


If Mon retains 50% (and pays the price for the extra 25%) and Lilly gets replaced by Robertson or Hirovenen.
May 21, 2023 at 10:46 p.m.
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Quoting: Newtown
The year Montreal made the finals there were 3 main factors, none of which were Anderson.

1) Price
2) Weber
3) The ability for Chariot, Edmundson and the rest of the Canadiens to cross check people in the head repeatedly and not get a penalty.


This is so ignorant i dont know where to start.
Anderson wasnt the guy, he was one of many
Thats how we got there

Weber was playing with 2 injuries and like Gallagher ended the year on IR
He joined the team during the Playoffs where players had to help them pick up their slack.
Weber had Chiarot carry him while also holding Merrils hand because we couldnt trust our 3rd pair without a top 4 guy holding their hand

Petry got his finger jammed in a slot for the Camera's that a Photographed left open and became a non factor soon after while Romanov stepped up someone especially in handling Pietrangelo who was Physically Dominating and Descimating Petry and Weber at this point. By the time we got to the SCF our two top 4 RD were rocking 2-3 injuries each and had equipment modified so they could continue to play.

Price 100% was a main Factor
Outside that Caufield , Toffoli , Suzuki , Perry , Staal and even ****ing Joel Armia had a bigger impact then most of your dumbed down viewpoints on MTL's run. . .
Thats before we even consider the role Danault , Gallagher , and Byron played in Shutting down some of the top Forwards in the league and stacked teams in TML,WPG and VGK.

You want to be ignorant , fine
But expect for me to Correct any Slander you post


Have a Nice Day
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May 21, 2023 at 10:48 p.m.
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Simple
Without him Schiefele isnt shut down
Without him Marners a bigger factor
Without him Karlsson opens MTL a new Ahole in the WCF on our SCF run.

He's a Prick and a Good one who draws as many penalties as he takes.
More important his Offensive Zone Entries is top of the team always since arriving
He battles along the boards and cycles pucks back to the defensman.
He's a big body who also likes to battle in front

But most importantly , what he has others dont as a Power Forward of his size?
Its his Speed and ability to capitalize on break aways where he just outright has 2 steps on everyone not named Mcdavid basically

Could he be better? Absolutely, he could play like the top 6 Winger we paid him to be
Issue is he's more of a middle 6 kinda guy who was elevated to protect Caufield once MSL took over as coach.
Its the same set up MIN used elevating Foligno and Bottom 6 Winger to Top line to protect Kaprisov.

If im building a team i want Anderson at Maroon rate's but that's a pipe dream in a tax province vs tax free state


I don’t think anyone is disputing his value as a player. Power forwards that can play a regular shift have value. Whether he is a top 6 forward or top 9 is up to debate. He shows flashes of brilliance but disappears for long stretches. If he’s consistent, he’s Tom Wilson lite and well worth a top 6 spot and his contract, but be honest, how many games have Hab fans wanted to see Josh Anderson do something, anything, and it hasn’t happened? Too much for 5.5 times 4.
May 21, 2023 at 10:51 p.m.
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Birddog
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Quoting: Leafsfan98
If Mon retains 50% (and pays the price for the extra 25%) and Lilly gets replaced by Robertson or Hirovenen.


I don’t think Hirvonen would be a problem for most Leaf fans. Personally, unlike many, I still like Robertson’s upside if he can stay healthy.
May 21, 2023 at 10:53 p.m.
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I don’t think Hirvonen would be a problem for most Leaf fans. Personally, unlike many, I still like Robertson’s upside if he can stay healthy.


Obviously, but my point is, the Leafs won't give up much more than a 1st for a 75% retained Anderson. Even then... I'd be sketched out as these next years were the same years Lucic went to s**t. The Dif. though, is the Lucic can stand up for anybody... Anderson just a bigger and more scared version of Marner when it comes to fights
May 21, 2023 at 10:54 p.m.
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Birddog
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Quoting: Billy739
This is so ignorant i dont know where to start.
Anderson wasnt the guy, he was one of many
Thats how we got there

Weber was playing with 2 injuries and like Gallagher ended the year on IR
He joined the team during the Playoffs where players had to help them pick up their slack.
Weber had Chiarot carry him while also holding Merrils hand because we couldnt trust our 3rd pair without a top 4 guy holding their hand

Petry got his finger jammed in a slot for the Camera's that a Photographed left open and became a non factor soon after while Romanov stepped up someone especially in handling Pietrangelo who was Physically Dominating and Descimating Petry and Weber at this point. By the time we got to the SCF our two top 4 RD were rocking 2-3 injuries each and had equipment modified so they could continue to play.

Price 100% was a main Factor
Outside that Caufield , Toffoli , Suzuki , Perry , Staal and even ****ing Joel Armia had a bigger impact then most of your dumbed down viewpoints on MTL's run. . .
Thats before we even consider the role Danault , Gallagher , and Byron played in Shutting down some of the top Forwards in the league and stacked teams in TML,WPG and VGK.

You want to be ignorant , fine
But expect for me to Correct any Slander you post


Have a Nice Day


Weber wasn’t inured. Read the quotes by Tampa’s players that said as much and stated he was a beast and beat on them all series.

Before the next season started the NHL had meetings and a crackdown on crosschecking. It was out of control and Montreal was the beneficiary.

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