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Complete Retool Part 2 - Contenders

Created by: arafay
Team: 2024-25 Winnipeg Jets
Initial Creation Date: May 21, 2023
Published: May 21, 2023
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Description
The only new trade is the murphy trade. Please see part 1.
Free Agent Signings
RESERVE LISTYEARSCAP HIT
3$950,000
3$950,000
2$950,000
3$950,000
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
1$1,500,000
1$2,500,000
8$6,500,000
1$900,000
2$3,000,000
1$775,000
5$5,000,000
2$775,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
1$2,500,000
3$4,000,000
5$9,500,000
Trades
1.
WPG
  1. Kochetkov, Pyotr
  2. Morrow, Scott [Reserve List]
  3. 2023 1st round pick (CAR)
  4. 2024 2nd round pick (CAR)
CAR
    Helly signed
    2.
    WPG
    1. 2023 1st round pick (BOS)
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    Murray
    TOR
    1. Stanley, Logan [RFA Rights]
    3.
    WPG
    1. Swayman, Jeremy [RFA Rights]
    Additional Details:
    Reilly
    BOS
    1. Gustafsson, David [RFA Rights]
    2. 2023 1st round pick (BOS)
    4.
    WPG
    1. 2023 2nd round pick (BUF)
    BUF
    1. Schmidt, Nate
    2. 2023 1st round pick (CAR)
    5.
    WPG
    1. Dach, Kirby
    2. 2023 1st round pick (FLA)
    Additional Details:
    See pt 1
    MTL
    1. Dubois, Pierre-Luc [RFA Rights]
    Additional Details:
    MTL fans and wpg fans will never see eye to eye on this, so no point in commenting, This is what I think it costs (or close). There's no point in commenting MTL fans (unless you actually have something of value to say) this post ain't about you. (Please don't.) That said, there's always one...
    6.
    CHI
    1. 2024 1st round pick (WPG)
    DraftRound 1Round 2Round 3Round 4Round 5Round 6Round 7
    2023
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    2024
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    Logo of the WPG
    Logo of the WPG
    Logo of the WPG
    2025
    Logo of the WPG
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    ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
    23$84,500,000$80,159,524$0$800,000$4,340,476
    Left WingCentreRight Wing
    Logo of the Winnipeg Jets
    $6,000,000$6,000,000
    RW, LW
    M-NTC
    UFA - 1
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    $9,500,000$9,500,000
    C
    UFA - 7
    Logo of the Winnipeg Jets
    $894,167$894,167 (Performance Bonus$425,000$425K)
    C
    RFA - 2
    Logo of the Winnipeg Jets
    $7,142,857$7,142,857
    LW
    M-NTC
    UFA - 2
    Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
    $3,362,500$3,362,500
    C, RW
    RFA - 2
    Logo of the Winnipeg Jets
    $6,500,000$6,500,000
    LW, C
    RFA
    Logo of the Winnipeg Jets
    $4,000,000$4,000,000
    LW, RW
    UFA - 3
    Logo of the Winnipeg Jets
    $3,250,000$3,250,000
    C
    M-NTC
    UFA - 2
    Logo of the Winnipeg Jets
    $918,333$918,333 (Performance Bonus$375,000$375K)
    C, RW
    RFA - 2
    Logo of the Winnipeg Jets
    $2,500,000$2,500,000
    LW, RW, C
    UFA - 1
    Logo of the Winnipeg Jets
    $1,500,000$1,500,000
    LW, RW
    RFA - 1
    Logo of the Winnipeg Jets
    $2,166,667$2,166,667
    RW
    UFA - 1
    Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
    Logo of the Winnipeg Jets
    $6,250,000$6,250,000
    LD
    NMC
    UFA - 4
    Logo of the Chicago Blackhawks
    $4,400,000$4,400,000
    RD
    M-NTC
    UFA - 2
    $5,000,000$5,000,000
    G
    RFA
    Logo of the Winnipeg Jets
    $2,500,000$2,500,000
    LD
    RFA - 1
    Logo of the Winnipeg Jets
    $5,875,000$5,875,000
    RD
    M-NTC
    UFA - 1
    Logo of the Carolina Hurricanes
    $2,000,000$2,000,000
    G
    UFA - 3
    Logo of the Winnipeg Jets
    $3,000,000$3,000,000
    LD
    RFA
    $950,000$950,000
    RD
    RFA
    ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
    Logo of the Winnipeg Jets
    $775,000$775,000
    LD/RD
    RFA
    Logo of the Winnipeg Jets
    $900,000$900,000
    C, RW
    UFA
    Logo of the Winnipeg Jets
    $775,000$775,000
    C, LW
    UFA - 1

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    May 21, 2023 at 11:04 p.m.
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    laugh Connor Hellebuyck will be 31 when his new contract kicks in in 2024, And he's looking at 8x9 and there's no freaking way Carolina is trading Morrow for Hellebuyck.
    May 21, 2023 at 11:05 p.m.
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    Quoting: HockeyIsMyPassion61
    laugh Connor Hellebuyck will be 31 when his new contract kicks in in 2024, And he's looking at 8x9 and there's no freaking way Carolina is trading Morrow for Hellebuyck.


    Saw a post from a Carolina fan offering him in an even larger package. So I'm not sure about that. And bucky probably comes in at 6x9-9.5. Doubt he gets 8 years. No one is offering him a 9M contract until he's 40 lol. Maybe 36/37. probably near 35/36
    May 21, 2023 at 11:14 p.m.
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    Saw a post from a Carolina fan offering him in an even larger package. So I'm not sure about that. And bucky probably comes in at 6x9-9.5. Doubt he gets 8 years. No one is offering him a 9M contract until he's 40 lol. Maybe 36/37. probably near 35/36


    Yeah well according to TSN Hellebuyck wants to be the highest paid goaltender in the NHL, Price who was injured got 8 x $10.5m around the same age as Hellebuyck so don't be so sure he's already the better goalie over Carey Price. 8 years takes him to 39 i can easily see him at least 7 years 63 million.
    May 21, 2023 at 11:20 p.m.
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    Quoting: HockeyIsMyPassion61
    Yeah well according to TSN Hellebuyck wants to be the highest paid goaltender in the NHL, Price who was injured got 8 x $10.5m around the same age as Hellebuyck so don't be so sure he's already the better goalie over Carey Price. 8 years takes him to 39 i can easily see him at least 7 years 63 million.


    7x63 is still reasonable. Teams probably are willing to up the aav to bring it down to 5/6 years tho. I'd say 5x10 or 6x9.5 is more likely. But just my opinion. And yes, its well known helly wants to be one of the highest paid. Anything above 9M makes him that with only Bobrovsky and vasilevsky making more. Also, when price signed that contract, he was renown as the best goalie in the league. Right now, helly is top 3. I expect him to get paid, just not over 10 M
    May 21, 2023 at 11:21 p.m.
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    That Schiefele contract would age terribly
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    May 21, 2023 at 11:23 p.m.
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    That Schiefele contract would age terribly


    agreed. But how do you propose to replace him? I simply don't think it's possible. I'm a big believer that you need an elite centre to win. If the jets move scheifele, they wont be getting anywhere any time soon.
    May 21, 2023 at 11:45 p.m.
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    Too bad,sucks to be you, when you post a thread involving any team you can always expect that fan base to comment especially when you go out of your way to tell them their opinions don't matter. This is a free country and we all have the right to comment whether you like it or not.

    As for the value (or at least your version of the value), from a Montreal perspective, it's too much. Montreal went out and targeted Dach when Chevy was unreasonable at the 2022 draft. Now that Dach has solidified his future with the Habs, Hughes is not about to trade him for a guy we can either OS or wait and potentially sign in FA. You are severely overvaluing not only your players but also the leverage the Jets have in all these trade proposals.
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    May 21, 2023 at 11:51 p.m.
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    Dach is not going anywhere
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    May 21, 2023 at 11:58 p.m.
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    Quoting: Campabee
    Too bad,sucks to be you, when you post a thread involving any team you can always expect that fan base to comment especially when you go out of your way to tell them their opinions don't matter. This is a free country and we all have the right to comment whether you like it or not.

    As for the value (or at least your version of the value), from a Montreal perspective, it's too much. Montreal went out and targeted Dach when Chevy was unreasonable at the 2022 draft. Now that Dach has solidified his future with the Habs, Hughes is not about to trade him for a guy we can either OS or wait and potentially sign in FA. You are severely overvaluing not only your players but also the leverage the Jets have in all these trade proposals.


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    Dach is not going anywhere


    😂
    May 22, 2023 at 12:01 a.m.
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    Quoting: HockeyIsMyPassion61
    Yeah well according to TSN Hellebuyck wants to be the highest paid goaltender in the NHL, Price who was injured got 8 x $10.5m around the same age as Hellebuyck so don't be so sure he's already the better goalie over Carey Price. 8 years takes him to 39 i can easily see him at least 7 years 63 million.


    Yeah but who the hell is giving a 31 year old goalie 9mil per? If anything, teams have learned NOT to give goalies on the wrong side of 30 MASSIVE deals.
    He can "say" he wants to be the highest paid goalie, doesn't mean GM's are going to give it to him. If they do, they need to be fired immediately.
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    May 22, 2023 at 12:01 a.m.
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    😂


    If you want to play that game of too bad, don't comment then I say a PLD trade between the Habs and Jets breaks down like this

    PLD + Ehlers + the Jets 2023 1st for 2 7ths + Gallagher + Hoffman + Dvorak!

    MTL fans and wpg fans will never see eye to eye on this, so no point in commenting, This is what I think it costs (or close). There's no point in commenting Jets fans (unless you actually have something of value to say) this post ain't about you. (Please don't.) That said, there's always one...
    May 22, 2023 at 12:03 a.m.
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    😂


    You posted a bad trade proposal and told the fans of that team "it's not about you"

    boohoo
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    May 22, 2023 at 12:15 a.m.
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    Quoting: Campabee
    If you want to play that game of too bad, don't comment then I say a PLD trade between the Habs and Jets breaks down like this

    PLD + Ehlers + the Jets 2023 1st for 2 7ths + Gallagher + Hoffman + Dvorak!

    MTL fans and wpg fans will never see eye to eye on this, so no point in commenting, This is what I think it costs (or close). There's no point in commenting Jets fans (unless you actually have something of value to say) this post ain't about you. (Please don't.) That said, there's always one...


    Quoting: dougford
    You posted a bad trade proposal and told the fans of that team "it's not about you"

    boohoo


    Ooh. It’s almost like MTL fans making every ACGM trading for dubois with their scraps…whoaaa 🤯
    May 22, 2023 at 12:26 a.m.
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    "No point in commenting..."
    ...then no point in publishing.
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    May 22, 2023 at 12:29 a.m.
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    Quoting: ohmyjlord
    "No point in commenting..."
    ...then no point in publishing.


    You got something of value? If not, no point. Just wasting everyone’s time.
    May 22, 2023 at 12:29 a.m.
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    Quoting: dougford
    Yeah but who the hell is giving a 31 year old goalie 9mil per? If anything, teams have learned NOT to give goalies on the wrong side of 30 MASSIVE deals.
    He can "say" he wants to be the highest paid goalie, doesn't mean GM's are going to give it to him. If they do, they need to be fired immediately.


    He could try for $11M for a few years, but there's definitely been a shift in goaltending value, so it's not only unlikely to get that dollar value but almost assuredly not getting term with that kind of demand.

    That kind of money is only readily available in the bottom of the league or after a major reset for a contender. Rebuilding teams have no use for elite goaltending and contenders don't have that kind of money to spend.

    If he sticks to that kind of demand, he's going to be out of a job. He might as well take a more reasonable 8x7 and find a place to win a cup.
    May 22, 2023 at 12:34 a.m.
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    Quoting: ricochetii
    He could try for $11M for a few years, but there's definitely been a shift in goaltending value, so it's not only unlikely to get that dollar value but almost assuredly not getting term with that kind of demand.

    That kind of money is only readily available in the bottom of the league or after a major reset for a contender. Rebuilding teams have no use for elite goaltending and contenders don't have that kind of money to spend.

    If he sticks to that kind of demand, he's going to be out of a job. He might as well take a more reasonable 8x7 and find a place to win a cup.


    Not sure why I didn’t see the post you replied to, maybe the user blocked me lol.

    I could see him going for 11mx4 years. Teams would be willing to pay that in my opinion. He probably plays at a vezina level until he’s 33/34 anyway, so I don’t see a problem with that. Certain contenders have space for that. Carolina and New Jersey can certainly make space. Buffalo and Ottawa have it and they want to make the next step.

    Some team will pay him what he wants. Though I see a world where he takes less to go to a contender if no one is willing to offer him what he wants. His priority is to win after all. Though I’d put my money on a good team offering him at least 9M. Teams would be willing to make room for a perennial vezina candidate.

    Cool thought though. Thanks for the comment.
    May 22, 2023 at 12:42 a.m.
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    You got something of value? If not, no point. Just wasting everyone’s time.


    Poor baby had his feelers hurt by all the big mean Habs fans now gotta throw a tantrum and ban any Habs fans from commenting on his posts!
    May 22, 2023 at 1:01 a.m.
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    Poor baby had his feelers hurt by all the big mean Habs fans now gotta throw a tantrum and ban any Habs fans from commenting on his posts!


    😂. Yes, I’m the one throwing the tantrum. My one sentence answers really scream “pissed off” 😂.
    May 22, 2023 at 1:08 a.m.
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    Quoting: arafay
    Not sure why I didn’t see the post you replied to, maybe the user blocked me lol.

    I could see him going for 11mx4 years. Teams would be willing to pay that in my opinion. He probably plays at a vezina level until he’s 33/34 anyway, so I don’t see a problem with that. Certain contenders have space for that. Carolina and New Jersey can certainly make space. Buffalo and Ottawa have it and they want to make the next step.

    Some team will pay him what he wants. Though I see a world where he takes less to go to a contender if no one is willing to offer him what he wants. His priority is to win after all. Though I’d put my money on a good team offering him at least 9M. Teams would be willing to make room for a perennial vezina candidate


    There's been too little goaltending impact and too many instant regret contracts to goaltenders.

    It won't be Carolina as they've successfully run 3 goaltenders this season. They'll probably keep one of their vets and run with Kochetkov.
    NJ has Schmid and Vanecek is under contract still, as well as a lot of RFA's and defense to sort out.
    Buffalo has Levi and need a veteran tandem guy.
    Ottawa will be looking for similar to partner with Sogaard.

    That's 4 teams that potentially have that kind of cap space and enough interest, but are immediately out of the market because they are more interested in a time share in the crease than a 60+ game guy over 30.
    May 22, 2023 at 2:48 a.m.
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    Quoting: ricochetii
    There's been too little goaltending impact and too many instant regret contracts to goaltenders.

    It won't be Carolina as they've successfully run 3 goaltenders this season. They'll probably keep one of their vets and run with Kochetkov.
    NJ has Schmid and Vanecek is under contract still, as well as a lot of RFA's and defense to sort out.
    Buffalo has Levi and need a veteran tandem guy.
    Ottawa will be looking for similar to partner with Sogaard.

    That's 4 teams that potentially have that kind of cap space and enough interest, but are immediately out of the market because they are more interested in a time share in the crease than a 60+ game guy over 30.


    I just disagree. andersen and raanta arent going to win Carolina a cup. Kochetkov is not ready in my opinion and might not even be a starter. NJ I agree with you, but they seem to be interested according to rumours, which is why I brought them up. Levi is still a couple of years away from being the starter, at a minimum. And soogaard is at least 4 years away. These teams will be interested in helly. Looking at past cup winners, starters win you cups, not time share guys.
    May 22, 2023 at 7:51 a.m.
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    Dach at a touch under 3.4M for 3 more seasons has more trade value for a rebuilding team like MTL than Dubois at over 6M for only 1 season. If Dubois has an extension in place at a reasonable cap hit that changes things, but he doesn't.
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    May 22, 2023 at 9:34 a.m.
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    I just disagree. andersen and raanta arent going to win Carolina a cup. Kochetkov is not ready in my opinion and might not even be a starter. NJ I agree with you, but they seem to be interested according to rumours, which is why I brought them up. Levi is still a couple of years away from being the starter, at a minimum. And soogaard is at least 4 years away. These teams will be interested in helly. Looking at past cup winners, starters win you cups, not time share guys.


    Starters under 10% of the cap hit. Vasilevskiy is the only exception and that has only worked because Tampa made huge trades and paid a premium for reduced cap hits. Even then they have only kept under the cap by leveraging every single cap tool possible and constantly juggling players and contracts.
    May 22, 2023 at 11:31 a.m.
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    Lol, this man thinks any of those trade are fair.
    Carolina decline
    Toronto decline
    Boston probably decline
    Winnipeg decline
    Montreal decline
    Chicago decline
     
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