Caps easily decline.
Nothing of interest in this trade.

Pens say yes. I'd love to have a vezina goalie on this team.

Interesting Pens trade. Retaining half and allowing us to keep the 23 first goes a long way in my book. I think I'd take this - although I know a lot of Pens fans would be against giving up those assets for a rental(most likely). And it's a fair argument.

No from Caps

WPG / STL Trade - DEAL
WPG / FLA Trade - DEAL
WPG / MTL Trade - DEAL
WPG / PIT Trade - WPG SAYS... Not enough. No deal.
WPG / WAS Trade - WPG SAYS... Not enough. No deal.
WPG / EDM Trade - WPG SAYS... NO DEAL

Caps decline. Don't have the cap space and don't need any of the pieces coming back in this deal. And realistically, I wouldn't give up Iorio for either of these guys even if we did need D.

Just get rid of Farrel and Barron and thats a good trade

What is enough for Hellebuyck? I want to make one of my own from the Pens side of things - and this seems like a pretty fair deal. I'll probably end up making a trade fairly similar, but figured I would ask before all the WPG fans comment saying it's not enough haha

Both teams pass on the Connor trade.

MTL says no on this one. I'd rather trade Calgary's 2025 first and leave out Barron and Farrell. Looking at Calgary, it could be high.

The issue primarily is that if the Jets trade Helly, they will need to get a 1B Goalie in return or at least a top Goalie prospect that is ready to transition to the NHL.
Blomqvist may not sign in the NHL, so can't trade for him. The Picks next year and the year after are too far away.

Top trade speculations have been along the lines of WPG and NJD. Vanacek and Bratt for Helly. So WPG gets a 1B, that may be a 1A some day and a top 6 forward. Or, WPG receives a better selection of picks including at least a top 15 ;pick in this upcoming draft and a very good prospect, etc. That way they can swing the picks / prospect / etc... or they can keep them and use a roster player or 2 or combination of all to get a 1A or 1B, etc...

Word - appreciate the response. So you would rather have a guy like Desmith than Blomqvist? I figured if WPG is getting rid of Hellebuyck they're rebuilding, or at least a couple year retool - so wouldn't you rather have the prospect? I would gladly give up Desmith over Blomqvist if that's the case. What if it's 2024 first and 2nd? Or 2023 3rd?

I don't see any scenario at all where NJD gives up Bratt for Helle. Where was that reported?

I was thinking something like Blomqvist, Broz, 2024 first and 2nd?

For the millionth time, barron and farrell ain't available

The NJD / WPG trade of Bratt and Vanacek has been rumored a bit and has been posted out on these boards a fair bit. That's a win win.

Desmith is better for WPG because they do need a "for sure playing in the NHL goalie" over Blomqvist who would be great, if he shows, signs and plays as well as expected.

The draft picks would be 2023 first and 2nd. The Jets need a goalie who can play now and picks now. The Jets "may" (ideally) be into a rebuild, but they don't want the build to be 4 years away, they are better off to have it in 2 to 3 years for the sake of the fanbase and a decent core.

Hmmm interesting. I mean I don't really follow either of those teams closely so it would make sense that I haven't seen it I guess haha. Personally seems like a loss for NJD - but maybe that's just me.

Gotcha - I guess I would have figured they would just sign an NHL goalie with the cap space.

The 2023 first is tough to give up - and the Pens don't have a 2nd rounder until next season. Not sure how 23 first, 24 2nd and Desmith sounds from your side of the picture? I think the Pens could possibly do that if there's retention. Although I know a lot of Pens fans here are holding on pretty tightly to that 2023 first. Appreciate the info on all this - have a good one

The signing an NHL goalie to step ahead of and mentor Blomqvist makes sense, but there aren't a lot of upcoming FA goalies that will be available and good, which is why Helly's value is higher than some people would normally think. He is in his prime, a Vezina award winner who has been nominated a few times. Also, we still don't know if Blomqvist will come over and sign. That's the big issue with him.

He's worth a 1B goalie or a very solid backup that is ready to try being a starter and... a top 15 pick in this upcoming draft and.... a top prospect that is ready to move into the NHL this year directly or after a few months in the AHL.

I honestly believe a deal is going to be worked out with a team Helly wants to go to and WILL sign a long term deal. The return to the Jets would be conditioned on Helly signing a long term win win contract.

I guess my thoughts from the beginning were if the Jets are actually dumping Hellebuyck - then they're rebuilding. So that kind of shaped my whole view of the situation. But it seems like you're saying that's not the case - which I get now. Blomqvist signed a 3 year ELC if that's what you're referring to.

I do think you're slightly overestimating what he would go for though. Goalies don't have a good history of returning a lot compared to skaters. I would think a combo of a 1st, 2nd and a decent prospect would get the job done. If the pick is top 15 - maybe add like a 3rd and an average prospect. Kuemper went for the last 1st round pick, last 3rd, and Timmons. So Hellebuyck would return a little more than that imo.

Are they allowed to make trades with extension conditions?

The Jets are in a tough situation. Helly wants to win now. So they aren't dumping him, but trying to find a place where it's a win win for him and the Jets. The Jets are in a rebuild if their GM is smarter than I think he is.

There is no sign and trade clause or can a team include a condition in a trade that sends further compensation if a player is re-signed... but, I have seen in the past where teams make trades and then hours later the player has signed long term. So, there must be something in the negotiating.

You and everyone who knows anything obviously always states that goalies don't have a good history of returning a lot, but note what I stated earlier. There aren't a LOT of available #1 goalies in the league and Helly is by FAR the best goalie that is currently in trade talks and / or available via FA right now, thus making him more valuable than usual.

I firmly believe Helly returns a 1B or young goalie that is very promising and ready to jump into the #2 slot, as well as a top 15 / 20 draft in this upcoming and a good prospect or current young roster player like Krebs, Mittelstadt, etc.

The popular belief right now is the deal with BUF that is being thrown around a fair bit is....

HELLY = Krebs or Mittelstadt, BUF's 1st in the upcoming draft (13th overall) and Luukkonen.

All fair points.

I guess we'll see what happens, should be interesting. Good chat man, I appreciate the info/take from your side of things