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Created by: dtd_tank
Team: 2023-24 Detroit Red Wings
Initial Creation Date: May 24, 2023
Published: May 24, 2023
Salary Cap Mode: Basic
Description
Purely hypothetical. This is if AM were to decide to move on (due to the handling of the Dubas situation). TOR trade would happen after July 1st when AM were to provide a list of teams with whom he would be willing to extend.
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
3$1,400,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
3$2,500,000
1$1,250,000
1$800,000
1$2,000,000
Trades
1.
TOR
  1. Berggren, Jonatan
  2. Cossa, Sebastian
  3. Edvinsson, Simon
  4. 2024 1st round pick (BOS)
  5. 2024 1st round pick (DET)
2.
PHI
  1. Kubalik, Dominik
  2. Zadina, Filip
  3. 2023 1st round pick (NYI)
3.
LAK
  1. 2023 2nd round pick (DET)
Buyouts
Retained Salary Transactions
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2023
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2024
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2025
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ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
23$83,500,000$77,666,638$0$4,547,500$5,833,362
Left WingCentreRight Wing
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$5,500,000$5,500,000
RW, LW
UFA - 2
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$11,640,250$11,640,250
C
NMC
UFA - 1
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$925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$2,500,000$2M)
RW, LW
RFA - 1
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$918,333$918,333 (Performance Bonus$1,000,000$1M)
C
RFA - 3
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$8,700,000$8,700,000
C
NTC
UFA - 8
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$4,750,000$4,750,000
RW, LW
M-NTC
UFA - 1
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$905,833$905,833 (Performance Bonus$57,500$58K)
LW
RFA - 3
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$5,625,000$5,625,000
C, LW, RW
M-NTC
UFA - 4
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$1,460,000$1,460,000
LW, C
UFA - 1
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$878,333$878,333 (Performance Bonus$57,500$58K)
LW, C
RFA - 2
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$2,500,000$2,500,000
C, LW
UFA - 2
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$4,000,000$4,000,000
LW
UFA - 2
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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$3,400,000$3,400,000
LD
M-NTC
UFA - 3
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$863,333$863,333 (Performance Bonus$850,000$850K)
RD
RFA - 1
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$4,750,000$4,750,000
G
M-NTC
UFA - 2
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$3,000,000$3,000,000
LD
UFA - 2
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$3,150,000$3,150,000
RD
UFA - 1
$1,250,000$1,250,000
G
UFA - 1
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$820,000$820,000 (Performance Bonus$82,500$82K)
LD
RFA - 1
$2,000,000$2,000,000
RD
UFA - 3
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
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$1,400,000$1,400,000
C
RFA - 1
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$800,000$800,000
RW
UFA
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$4,750,000$4,750,000
LD/RD
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UFA - 3

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May 24, 2023 at 11:46 a.m.
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I’d rather a 2023 2nd or a solid prospect instead of Kubilak but it’s close to TK for sure
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May 24, 2023 at 11:50 a.m.
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So everyone must know that Matthews would cost 2023 picks without question. This is not enough
May 24, 2023 at 12:00 p.m.
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So everyone must know that Matthews would cost 2023 picks without question. This is not enough


Please read the description. The assumption is this trade comes in July, after the draft, when AM would be eligible to extend.
May 24, 2023 at 12:00 p.m.
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Not even close for Roy.

Change the 2nd to a first and add an A-/B+ prospect to get LA to pick up the phone.
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May 24, 2023 at 12:01 p.m.
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Thats not enough for Roy. Kings decline.
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May 24, 2023 at 12:01 p.m.
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Quoting: Samsoc22
I’d rather a 2023 2nd or a solid prospect instead of Kubilak but it’s close to TK for sure


Close but not enough, kUBALIK is an expiring 2.5mil and even if he puts up his average of 44 pts, he'll get north of 4mil. Zadina is a ?, he could really be good or nothing at all. The 1st is good, but...

all in all, if Koneckny is up for trade, I think PHI would have to be overpaid, and thered be a lot of suitors and I'm not sure this is it.
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May 24, 2023 at 12:05 p.m.
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Quoting: Hammerwise
Close but not enough, kUBALIK is an expiring 2.5mil and even if he puts up his average of 44 pts, he'll get north of 4mil. Zadina is a ?, he could really be good or nothing at all. The 1st is good, but...

all in all, if Koneckny is up for trade, I think PHI would have to be overpaid, and thered be a lot of suitors and I'm not sure this is it.


What if we did Fabbri rather than Kuba, and add a mid-grade D prospect such as Buium or Viro?
May 24, 2023 at 12:13 p.m.
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What if we did Fabbri rather than Kuba, and add a mid-grade D prospect such as Buium or Viro?


worse offer.

You've got Fabbri as your 4th liner, hes a 4mil, 2 yr player not producing. And PHI has lot of middle prospects.

It'd have to be good picks and a good prospect, something PHI cant turn down. 2023 NYI 1st, a Mazur or a Kasper and maybe a bit more. Koneckny is just 25, signed at 5.5mil for 2 more years and probably his value goes up, not down, and hes the exact player you build a team with and young enough to produce through the rebuild.
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May 24, 2023 at 12:17 p.m.
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I'm honestly not sure if AM is worth this much...
May 24, 2023 at 12:18 p.m.
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I'm honestly not sure if AM is worth this much...


He basically only talks with Leafs fans, so it's gonna be skewed heavily in the Leafs favor.
May 24, 2023 at 12:19 p.m.
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worse offer.

You've got Fabbri as your 4th liner, hes a 4mil, 2 yr player not producing. And PHI has lot of middle prospects.

It'd have to be good picks and a good prospect, something PHI cant turn down. 2023 NYI 1st, a Mazur or a Kasper and maybe a bit more. Koneckny is just 25, signed at 5.5mil for 2 more years and probably his value goes up, not down, and hes the exact player you build a team with and young enough to produce through the rebuild.


Lol
May 24, 2023 at 12:29 p.m.
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Quoting: Hammerwise
worse offer.

You've got Fabbri as your 4th liner, hes a 4mil, 2 yr player not producing. And PHI has lot of middle prospects.

It'd have to be good picks and a good prospect, something PHI cant turn down. 2023 NYI 1st, a Mazur or a Kasper and maybe a bit more. Koneckny is just 25, signed at 5.5mil for 2 more years and probably his value goes up, not down, and hes the exact player you build a team with and young enough to produce through the rebuild.


That is quite a ludicrous valuation of Konecny you got there.
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May 24, 2023 at 12:31 p.m.
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I'm honestly not sure if AM is worth this much...

Maybe not. But I'm not sure how else you acquire a 25yo who has already been the Hart winner and runner up, and is looking like one of the top scorers of his generation. This trade would set Detroit up for years of success, especially considering we still have 9oa pick this year and Wallinder coming up the pipeline.

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He basically only talks with Leafs fans, so it's gonna be skewed heavily in the Leafs favor.

Is that right? 😂

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worse offer.

You've got Fabbri as your 4th liner, hes a 4mil, 2 yr player not producing. And PHI has lot of middle prospects.

It'd have to be good picks and a good prospect, something PHI cant turn down. 2023 NYI 1st, a Mazur or a Kasper and maybe a bit more. Koneckny is just 25, signed at 5.5mil for 2 more years and probably his value goes up, not down, and hes the exact player you build a team with and young enough to produce through the rebuild.


Fabbri having term should alleviate your concern of Kuba not having term. Plus Fabbri is better all around them Kuba.
May 24, 2023 at 12:48 p.m.
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Maybe not. But I'm not sure how else you acquire a 25yo who has already been the Hart winner and runner up, and is looking like one of the top scorers of his generation. This trade would set Detroit up for years of success, especially considering we still have 9oa pick this year and Wallinder coming up the pipeline.


Is that right? 😂



Fabbri having term should alleviate your concern of Kuba not having term. Plus Fabbri is better all around them Kuba.


You said you chatted with Wings fans outside of ACGM and Toronto fans on here.
Assuming those Wings fans were on Twitter, they're horrible. Saw some willing to ship 9OA+two 2nds for DeBrincat.
May 24, 2023 at 1:29 p.m.
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Quoting: dtd_tank
Maybe not. But I'm not sure how else you acquire a 25yo who has already been the Hart winner and runner up, and is looking like one of the top scorers of his generation. This trade would set Detroit up for years of success, especially considering we still have 9oa pick this year and Wallinder coming up the pipeline.


Is that right? 😂



Fabbri having term should alleviate your concern of Kuba not having term. Plus Fabbri is better all around them Kuba.


Would it though? We have $5M in cap under the roster above, haven't even paid Raymond or Seider yet, and AM hasn't gotten his 2nd raise...doesn't look like years of success to me.
May 24, 2023 at 1:39 p.m.
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Matthews is great, but thats too much to give up for one player. Detroit declines.
May 24, 2023 at 1:57 p.m.
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Would it though? We have $5M in cap under the roster above, haven't even paid Raymond or Seider yet, and AM hasn't gotten his 2nd raise...doesn't look like years of success to me.

I would buyout Chiarot the following summer for $3.67M, Vrana provides an extra $2.625M, Perron falls off for $4.75M, and the cap is expected to rise a great amount. That's around $17M in space before the cap rise.

I think it could be figured out, as you could have 9oa from 2023 join the team as Perron's replacement ($950k), give AM $2M extra, give Seider an increase of $8M, have WW replace Schenn (+1.1M), and give Ras an extra $2M. That leaves $5M to give as a raise to Raymond (suppose you could bridge him for $5M x 2) then any cap increase can be split as a raise between a backup goalie (+1.6M to 2.85M AAV) and Roy (+1.9M to 5M AAV) assuming a >3.5M rise to the cap ceiling which is lower than expected.


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You said you chatted with Wings fans outside of ACGM and Toronto fans on here.
Assuming those Wings fans were on Twitter, they're horrible. Saw some willing to ship 9OA+two 2nds for DeBrincat.


Nah, certainly not Twitter lol. I am very active within a different DRW community online which is fairly reputable, as some of our members are well known and referenced by the WWP community also.
May 24, 2023 at 2:11 p.m.
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Quoting: dtd_tank
Please read the description. The assumption is this trade comes in July, after the draft, when AM would be eligible to extend.


Then I bet whoever you draft with your 23 pick would have to be included
May 24, 2023 at 2:44 p.m.
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Then I bet whoever you draft with your 23 pick would have to be included


I've already included 4 1sts (Ed + Cossa + 2x 1sts) and a potential top 6 player in the deal. Detroit is not adding more beyond that, though the trade could be modified within reason. Also, trading a draft pick within a month of drafting them is quite a bad look from a personnel perspective.
May 24, 2023 at 2:47 p.m.
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Like i said, i would like Kubalik, prob prefer Fabbri, but the delta is negligible. He shined in his first two years with the Blackhawks and it seemed he didn't build upon that with the Red Wings. However, he's someone I would like to see again try to recapture that magic. I also am not looking through the Torts Lens, so who knows if he would even like either one of them. Perhaps @samsoc22 is right when he says a 2nd would be better because they can use it for a younger player that better fits the mold.
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May 24, 2023 at 3:01 p.m.
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Like i said, i would like Kubalik, prob prefer Fabbri, but the delta is negligible. He shined in his first two years with the Blackhawks and it seemed he didn't build upon that with the Red Wings. However, he's someone I would like to see again try to recapture that magic. I also am not looking through the Torts Lens, so who knows if he would even like either one of them. Perhaps samsoc22 is right when he says a 2nd would be better because they can use it for a younger player that better fits the mold.


Agreed I think Torts/Danny/Jonesy would rather more picks than prospects because it gives them a player THEY choose and can mold
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May 24, 2023 at 3:50 p.m.
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Not even close for Roy.

Change the 2nd to a first and add an A-/B+ prospect to get LA to pick up the phone.


Lol, sure bud. Your 28 year old UFA with an unsustainable career high of 26 points; is worth all that. A high 2nd is more than fair.
May 24, 2023 at 4:03 p.m.
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I've already included 4 1sts (Ed + Cossa + 2x 1sts) and a potential top 6 player in the deal. Detroit is not adding more beyond that, though the trade could be modified within reason. Also, trading a draft pick within a month of drafting them is quite a bad look from a personnel perspective.


I am not saying in addition to but more instead of the future 1st. TO would still be in win now mode. So you'd need to send other win now types. Or soon to be productive members of the team. As for the bad personnel perspective, you trading a prospect a week after drafting him doesn't matter. You got Matthews. It's worth it.
May 24, 2023 at 4:05 p.m.
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Not even close for Roy.

Change the 2nd to a first and add an A-/B+ prospect to get LA to pick up the phone.


Yeah, honestly, not sure of the thinking here but that's asinine.
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