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What if Cirelli trade

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Team: 2023-24 Tampa Bay Lightning
Initial Creation Date: May 25, 2023
Published: May 25, 2023
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Although unlikely Tampa moves him, I'm guessing thks would be in the range of what it would take to convince Tampa to move him. Tampa may also be interested in a dman upgrade+elc F as a base, but in any case they would be able to have more depth in the middle to bottom 6 with this kind of move.
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May 25, 2023 at 5:02 p.m.
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Would definitely do that Cirelli trade from a pure value standpoint. I'd be extremely hesitant to do it though unless he explicitly said he was enthusiastic about being a Blue Jacket. The Jackets tried the whole trading for a great player that just signed an extension thing once before and things didn't turn out great with **** Jeff Carter.
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May 25, 2023 at 5:29 p.m.
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Interesting trade. I think this would make Tampa much weaker though. He catches a lot of heat for his low production and his new contract, but I think he's extremely valuable. He's among elite defensive company for center men and he's only going to improve. The value is interesting. I don't think I'd do it for these particular pieces though. I mean I like Roslovic and Robinson. But Roslovic will need to get paid more if he gets offered a contract extension after his current deal expires. So he will almost certainly be making more than the 2 mil because of retention. With Hagel getting a large raise and Stamkos not getting any younger, I think this move puts us in hot water for the 2024-2025 season. We will be in the same extreme cap crunch with having to give Hagel 5-7.5 mil probably. Stamkos will take a pay cut. Raddysh will definitely get a raise, even if it is minimal. And we will once again have to fill out the depth D and bottom 6.Although guys like Goncalves, Finley, Edmonds, Sillinger, Carlile will fill those roles, I think moving Cirelli, especially for a couple UFAs requires some more math and future planning so it doesn't end up just being a one season move that puts us right back in a jam after the seasons over
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May 25, 2023 at 6:39 p.m.
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Quoting: Steven_Stamkos
Interesting trade. I think this would make Tampa much weaker though. He catches a lot of heat for his low production and his new contract, but I think he's extremely valuable. He's among elite defensive company for center men and he's only going to improve. The value is interesting. I don't think I'd do it for these particular pieces though. I mean I like Roslovic and Robinson. But Roslovic will need to get paid more if he gets offered a contract extension after his current deal expires. So he will almost certainly be making more than the 2 mil because of retention. With Hagel getting a large raise and Stamkos not getting any younger, I think this move puts us in hot water for the 2024-2025 season. We will be in the same extreme cap crunch with having to give Hagel 5-7.5 mil probably. Stamkos will take a pay cut. Raddysh will definitely get a raise, even if it is minimal. And we will once again have to fill out the depth D and bottom 6.Although guys like Goncalves, Finley, Edmonds, Sillinger, Carlile will fill those roles, I think moving Cirelli, especially for a couple UFAs requires some more math and future planning so it doesn't end up just being a one season move that puts us right back in a jam after the seasons over


Roslovic seems like a prime candidate to take less aav then he's at now in exchange for some term/security.

That's what he should be looking to do anyway, if he did it could work out well for both sides, could end up being a bargain if he clicks somewhere.
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May 25, 2023 at 7:13 p.m.
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Quoting: Steven_Stamkos
Interesting trade. I think this would make Tampa much weaker though. He catches a lot of heat for his low production and his new contract, but I think he's extremely valuable. He's among elite defensive company for center men and he's only going to improve. The value is interesting. I don't think I'd do it for these particular pieces though. I mean I like Roslovic and Robinson. But Roslovic will need to get paid more if he gets offered a contract extension after his current deal expires. So he will almost certainly be making more than the 2 mil because of retention. With Hagel getting a large raise and Stamkos not getting any younger, I think this move puts us in hot water for the 2024-2025 season. We will be in the same extreme cap crunch with having to give Hagel 5-7.5 mil probably. Stamkos will take a pay cut. Raddysh will definitely get a raise, even if it is minimal. And we will once again have to fill out the depth D and bottom 6.Although guys like Goncalves, Finley, Edmonds, Sillinger, Carlile will fill those roles, I think moving Cirelli, especially for a couple UFAs requires some more math and future planning so it doesn't end up just being a one season move that puts us right back in a jam after the seasons over


I agree there could be some issues after this upcoming season, but the cap is projected to finally start increasing by more than a million as well, which will help. I don't think they move Cirelli either, but as far as the overall F group being weaker...not 100% about that. Keeping Cirelli means Killorn is gone, and with limited cap space left after likely using 4.5-5 between Colton and Jeannot, you end up with comparing the roster above(which doesn't even have Sillinger on it yet), to what it probably looks like this year. That would be +Cirelli, +one additional Crunch player(Goncalves I'd guess), and possibly a 4C like Acciari or Nosek. Cirelli, Goncalves, maybe Bjugstad/Acciari/Nosek vs Killorn, Roslovic, Robinson, Sillinger.
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May 25, 2023 at 7:38 p.m.
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I agree there could be some issues after this upcoming season, but the cap is projected to finally start increasing by more than a million as well, which will help. I don't think they move Cirelli either, but as far as the overall F group being weaker...not 100% about that. Keeping Cirelli means Killorn is gone, and with limited cap space left after likely using 4.5-5 between Colton and Jeannot, you end up with comparing the roster above(which doesn't even have Sillinger on it yet), to what it probably looks like this year. That would be +Cirelli, +one additional Crunch player(Goncalves I'd guess), and possibly a 4C like Acciari or Nosek. Cirelli, Goncalves, maybe Bjugstad/Acciari/Nosek vs Killorn, Roslovic, Robinson, Sillinger.


Right right. Killer pulls so much weight, it's going to be a gaping hole with him gone. Cirelli has been following his lead and I believe he's gonna be the guy to take that role. He's already excellent on the PK and defensively 5v5. He plays on the powerplay, albeit in a sheltered roll. He's going to be leaned on much much more going forward. The question of whether he needs to offensively step up is an interesting one. If he provides so much value defensively and in multiple other ways/situations, but only gets 40-60 points a season, is that a bad thing? I mean he's a tad lower than where Killorn's offensive production is, but he also plays center so I think you can argue that he could get more of a pass. A pass on lower than average offensive production for a 2C making 6.25 I mean. Because he brings so much value to the rest of the teams game.

Offense was something I had a concern with for most of last regular season. Obviously our defense was worse than it has been for years with no Ryan or Jan back there, and being thinner as a whole. It felt like we just tried to outscore our defensive issues most of the regular season. And for most of the 82 games I felt like we relied way too heavily on PP1 and our top line to due the heavy lifting. With Killorn leaving, I fear the same thing will happen this year. I'm a giant Eyssimont stan at this point in time, and I think he's going to need to be a guy who has a big breakout year and helps out offensively. Point Kuch and Hags will do what they do. Stammer will contribute. Cirelli is middle of the road, it would be great if he finds his scoring touch, but it's not the end of the world if he doesn't. Paul is very streaky, Colton should be getting top 6 minutes and hopefully he can breakout too and post 20+ goals and 50+ish points. Who knows what kind of season Jeannot will have. 4th line will likely be a mixing bowl until Christmas.

In conclusion to this novel of a comment, defensively as a whole, we need to be better for the majority of the season. Cause I don't think outscoring our problems is sustainable with our lack of depth.
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May 25, 2023 at 9:35 p.m.
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Columbus definitely should do that trade. Don't need to think a second longer. Tampa I don't think it makes sense at all.
May 25, 2023 at 9:38 p.m.
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Would definitely do that Cirelli trade from a pure value standpoint. I'd be extremely hesitant to do it though unless he explicitly said he was enthusiastic about being a Blue Jacket. The Jackets tried the whole trading for a great player that just signed an extension thing once before and things didn't turn out great with **** Jeff Carter.


Trading a guy after he just extended will always be tough. I'm sure it will not be what he wants. That said, Anthony Cirelli is the opposite of Carter character wise.
May 25, 2023 at 9:44 p.m.
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Trading a guy after he just extended will always be tough.


Even more so when it's away from a very competitive team to one that's trying to get it together. I would hope that anyone the Jackets acquire could see that the team has great potential going forward, but not everyone is going to see it or be ok with not being competitive every year.
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Right right. Killer pulls so much weight, it's going to be a gaping hole with him gone. Cirelli has been following his lead and I believe he's gonna be the guy to take that role. He's already excellent on the PK and defensively 5v5. He plays on the powerplay, albeit in a sheltered roll. He's going to be leaned on much much more going forward. The question of whether he needs to offensively step up is an interesting one. If he provides so much value defensively and in multiple other ways/situations, but only gets 40-60 points a season, is that a bad thing? I mean he's a tad lower than where Killorn's offensive production is, but he also plays center so I think you can argue that he could get more of a pass. A pass on lower than average offensive production for a 2C making 6.25 I mean. Because he brings so much value to the rest of the teams game.

Offense was something I had a concern with for most of last regular season. Obviously our defense was worse than it has been for years with no Ryan or Jan back there, and being thinner as a whole. It felt like we just tried to outscore our defensive issues most of the regular season. And for most of the 82 games I felt like we relied way too heavily on PP1 and our top line to due the heavy lifting. With Killorn leaving, I fear the same thing will happen this year. I'm a giant Eyssimont stan at this point in time, and I think he's going to need to be a guy who has a big breakout year and helps out offensively. Point Kuch and Hags will do what they do. Stammer will contribute. Cirelli is middle of the road, it would be great if he finds his scoring touch, but it's not the end of the world if he doesn't. Paul is very streaky, Colton should be getting top 6 minutes and hopefully he can breakout too and post 20+ goals and 50+ish points. Who knows what kind of season Jeannot will have. 4th line will likely be a mixing bowl until Christmas.

In conclusion to this novel of a comment, defensively as a whole, we need to be better for the majority of the season. Cause I don't think outscoring our problems is sustainable with our lack of depth.


If Cirelli can go from a mid 40's point player to mid 50's, that would be great. Colton should definitely see an increase in production with, hopefully, consistent top 6 time this season. Guys like Paul, Jeannot, Eyssimont and whomever they promote from Suracuse/acquire in ufa will also need to step up a little more next season. I'm not too worried about the offense overall, as they've been between 3.2 and 3.5 gf/g the last 4 seasons.

Defensively, they have slipped from between 2.5 and 2.8 ga/g to close to 3.1 this past year, but with Perbix amd Raddysh having another year, plus Hedman, Serg and Cernak at full strength, there should be improvement there. I also expect the team to find a decent stay at home dman to round out the group as well, while Carlile is also nearly ready.

The biggest improvement needs to be with Vasy. This past year was imo just a blip on his HoF career, but the team needs to find a backup that can play at least 25-30 games competently. Vasy also needs to both manage himself and be managed better during the regular season so he's ready to be Conn Smythe Vasy by playoffs.

As the cap moves closer to 90 million in the next few years, Tampa should be okay in that regard. The majority of the core is still in their mid to late 20's or just barely 30, outside of Stamkos and Hedman. Heard alot of talk lately about how Tampa's window is basically closed, but imo, as long as JBB makes a few key moves, that's far from reality.
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