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Would mtl do this

Created by: Howie
Team: 2023-24 Winnipeg Jets
Initial Creation Date: May 29, 2023
Published: May 29, 2023
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Dubois deal that is an actual middle ground that isn't dach but also isn't nothing like many fans believe he's worth
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WPG
  1. Hoffman, Mike
  2. Kidney, Riley
  3. Mailloux, Logan
  4. 2025 1st round pick (CGY)
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Is this a deal that mtl would consider? Doesn't trade any 2023 picks in a deep draft, remove a almost unmovable contract in Hoffman, 2 b prospect and a 1st that is completely unknown and not their own pick.
MTL
  1. Dubois, Pierre-Luc [RFA Rights]
  2. Gawanke, Leon [RFA Rights]
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Ik the 2025 first is unideal but if Hellebuyck gets moved he likely gets a first (2023 or 2024) so sure we could have 3 firsts this year but spreading out the picks could pay off if we can squeeze more via prospects. 13th pick for helle could result in 2 top 18 picks in 2023 trade scheifele for a 2024 first and then we have 2 first for 4 years straight.
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18$83,500,000$69,269,525$0$1,315,000$14,230,475
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C
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$775,000$775,000
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$836,667$836,667 (Performance Bonus$82,500$82K)
C
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LD
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RD
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UFA - 1
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$875,000$875,000 (Performance Bonus$82,500$82K)
RD
RFA - 3
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$3,900,000$3,900,000
LD
UFA - 1
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$762,500$762,500
LD
RFA - 1
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
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LW, C
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May 29, 2023 at 4:55 p.m.
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As of now, Mailoux has been banned from playing in the NHL. Kent Hughes will need to have him re-instated.
May 29, 2023 at 4:58 p.m.
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Quoting: HockeyIsMyPassion61
As of now, Mailoux has been banned from playing in the NHL. Kent Hughes will need to have him re-instated.


Yeah thats fair but as a prospect he's farther from nhl ready and to keep a 2023 pick to replace him
May 29, 2023 at 4:59 p.m.
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MTL may want to do that. They probably want to get off Hoffman now and probably think WPG is desperate.

WPG doesn't want Hoffman and I can't seen Mailloux being reinstated any time soon and someone WPG should stay away from. The 2025 pick is quite far away, so doesn't help WPG with the rebuild.

Again, the best option I feel is Kidney, Dvorak and the FLA pick MTL has in the first round of the upcoming draft.

If I were speaking on behalf of WPG, I would hope for more from MTL. May need to add some more on both sides to make it more of a win win. Get creative.

OH.. hang on. WPG has the man with no creativity or plan at the helm... Chevytakestoomanydaysoff. Argh.
May 29, 2023 at 5:08 p.m.
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It doesn't matter if Montreal would do it, the Jets wouldn't entertain it.

First, the Jets aren't waiting 3 drafts for the 1st for that poor of a return. It's simply not realistic to expect Winnipeg to do that.

Hoffman is a cap dump. The Jets may take back salary, but it won't be a worthless cap dump.

Mailloux can't play in the NHL and has poor moral character. Not something True North would associate their brand with.

The only acceptable piece is kidney as a marginal B prospect.

There's no logical, rational or realistic for Winnipeg to accept such a poor deal when TDL rentals routinely go for more.
May 29, 2023 at 5:12 p.m.
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Winnipegs brain dead gm apperemtly wants an offer centred around suzuki or Dach for pld 😂 habs defs waiting for UFA
May 29, 2023 at 5:41 p.m.
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Would it in Theory work?
I could live with it begrudgingly for a player we could sign for free a year later.
If i thought PLD would give us a discount , thats different
He wont though IMO

But Kidney is good but Kapanen fullfils the same role he's projected to and is bigger while representing and Captaining his Country more often.
Losing Mailloux hurts, All the re-instatement aside he's got Value and will play in the Future as Failure to just gives the KHL an Elite level D to Elevate them.
He's Big , He's skilled on the PP and solid defensively given his experience level he's a Gift the NHL wont award to Russia if nothing else.
May 29, 2023 at 5:47 p.m.
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Quoting: SKWPG
MTL may want to do that. They probably want to get off Hoffman now and probably think WPG is desperate.

WPG doesn't want Hoffman and I can't seen Mailloux being reinstated any time soon and someone WPG should stay away from. The 2025 pick is quite far away, so doesn't help WPG with the rebuild.

Again, the best option I feel is Kidney, Dvorak and the FLA pick MTL has in the first round of the upcoming draft.

If I were speaking on behalf of WPG, I would hope for more from MTL. May need to add some more on both sides to make it more of a win win. Get creative.

OH.. hang on. WPG has the man with no creativity or plan at the helm... Chevytakestoomanydaysoff. Argh.


1. Montreal isn't giving up 2 1sts + worth of value for PLD and an AHL lifer D man.

2. Mailloux is aging out of the OHL this years so he will at least be AHL bound and the NHL will have to allow for him to be called up if injuries happen, so at some point this next season he should be cleared to play.

3. Hoffman (retained) has positive value and even if you don't view him as having value he is a cheap buyout

4. Agree the most likely trade is Kidney, Dvo and the cats 1st
May 29, 2023 at 5:56 p.m.
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One thing I think WPG fans don't press on enough is the pressure PLD & Brisson "Should" feel to sign a long term deal this offseason.

The 2024 UFA Class is Elite at center and PLD would generously be 4th on the list of centers to target (much lower if you don't factor in age, cause Stamkos & Kopitar are who they are!). This year he is hands down the best center available, albeit by trade.

Now PLD may be willing to sacrifice millions to go only to MTL, I dunno - I'm not in his head. But I DO believe he can sign an 8 x 8.5 with almost any team this year and next year he will have to wait until they figure out if they are getting Matthews, Aho, and others... That includes MTL BTW because I promise you MTL is taking Aho over PLD every day of the week and twice on Sunday.

I think if I was Howie or Windjammer, I would bring this up every time I shoot down a MTL is getting him for free proposal. If he's smart, he WILL sign for 8 years this offseason. I am convinced he gets signed to a long term deal this year one way or another. If Montreal wants him, they HAVE to make a deal. Do they want him though?
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May 29, 2023 at 6:01 p.m.
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Quoting: Savage27
Winnipegs brain dead gm apperemtly wants an offer centred around suzuki or Dach for pld 😂 habs defs waiting for UFA


What does this have anything to do with the offer proposed above?
May 29, 2023 at 6:02 p.m.
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that doesn't work, if Dubois is dead set on coming to Montreal. replace Hoffman with Dvorak or Armia, and make it Floridas 1st this season, and I probably accept
May 29, 2023 at 6:14 p.m.
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No it wouldn’t work. Replace Mailloux with Mysak or Norlinder
May 29, 2023 at 6:27 p.m.
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I thought that Dvorak would be the cap dump but Hoffman makes more sense. Good offer for both sides.
May 29, 2023 at 6:36 p.m.
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It doesn't matter if Montreal would do it, the Jets wouldn't entertain it.

First, the Jets aren't waiting 3 drafts for the 1st for that poor of a return. It's simply not realistic to expect Winnipeg to do that.

Hoffman is a cap dump. The Jets may take back salary, but it won't be a worthless cap dump.

Mailloux can't play in the NHL and has poor moral character. Not something True North would associate their brand with.

The only acceptable piece is kidney as a marginal B prospect.

There's no logical, rational or realistic for Winnipeg to accept such a poor deal when TDL rentals routinely go for more.


Where have you seen a better deal that wasn't ripped apart by the aquiring teams fans? Fact is even tho it isn't mtl or nothing lots of other teams still see a guy that likely doesn't stay long-term
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May 29, 2023 at 6:40 p.m.
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I thought that Dvorak would be the cap dump but Hoffman makes more sense. Good offer for both sides.


People like to throw in Dvorak as the cap and say he's the "roster replacement" but he's not a 2c or close to one so why take him when we can take back worse cap in Hoffman for a better return
May 29, 2023 at 6:53 p.m.
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Hoffman only has next season left on deal not an issue for Habs
PLD can wait till UFA, he’s not a priority and better pending UFAs coming then too like Aho
May 29, 2023 at 6:55 p.m.
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Quoting: BorisBagel
Hoffman only has next season left on deal not an issue for Habs


Okay that's fine but the point remains that if you want to move a cap player not named gally it would be possible
May 29, 2023 at 8:20 p.m.
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Short answer, NO
Long answer, NOOOOOOO
May 29, 2023 at 11:38 p.m.
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Short answer, NO
Long answer, NOOOOOOO


They would lol
May 30, 2023 at 10:59 a.m.
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Quoting: Campabee
1. Montreal isn't giving up 2 1sts + worth of value for PLD and an AHL lifer D man.

2. Mailloux is aging out of the OHL this years so he will at least be AHL bound and the NHL will have to allow for him to be called up if injuries happen, so at some point this next season he should be cleared to play.

3. Hoffman (retained) has positive value and even if you don't view him as having value he is a cheap buyout

4. Agree the most likely trade is Kidney, Dvo and the cats 1st


Dear Hab fans... Jets don't have to take any money back in any PLD deal. Winnipeg isn't taking on Dvorak or hoffman etc. If you think those players have value go trade them and use the assets in a dubois trade.
May 30, 2023 at 12:14 p.m.
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Dear Hab fans... Jets don't have to take any money back in any PLD deal. Winnipeg isn't taking on Dvorak or hoffman etc. If you think those players have value go trade them and use the assets in a dubois trade.


Dear..... this thread and the proposed trade you quoted was by a Jets fan, if you can't figure that out then.....
May 30, 2023 at 12:30 p.m.
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They would lol


They wouldn't lol
May 30, 2023 at 12:32 p.m.
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They wouldn't lol


It's funny because they would 🤣
May 30, 2023 at 2:12 p.m.
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Quoting: Howie
It's funny because they would 🤣


It's funny because they wouldn't 🤣
May 30, 2023 at 2:46 p.m.
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It's funny because they wouldn't 🤣


They would lol give up its fair
May 30, 2023 at 8:59 p.m.
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They would lol give up its fair


They actually wouldn't, this is equivalent to 2 1sts + a 2nd and cap offset. It's way more than the Sharks got for Meier and the Canucks got for Horvat. Take out Mailloux and add some more protection to the Flames pick incase it becomes an unprotected 2026 1st.
 
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