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20232024 NHL Season opening night lineup

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Team: 2023-24 Detroit Red Wings
Initial Creation Date: May 30, 2023
Published: May 30, 2023
Salary Cap Mode: Accurate/Prorated
LTIR Enabled: No
Season Days: 186
Days Remaining: 185
Season Remaining: 99%
Projected Cap Hit Prior To Days Remaining Tooltip : $52,834,722
Description
Yzerman Signs Joe Veleno at the same contract as Michael Rasmussen 3 x $1,460,000

Detroit trades for Alex DeBrincat for the Islander 17th overall Vancouver 43rd overall and Cross Hanas extends him for 8 x 8,500,000,

Carter Mazur, Marco Kasper and Simon Edvinsson all make the opening night roster.

Albert Johansson and Antti Tuomisto are 7th and 8th Dmen. Johansson is a filler if Edvinsson is still out when the season begins.

Detroit signs Cam Talbot for 2 x $2,500,000 as Husso's backup. Yzerman signs Radko Gudas meant 3 x $2,750,000 not 2 years.

We draft Oliver Moore at 9th overall and he plays at the University of Minnesota for 2 seasons. ETA 2025/2026 NHL season
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
3$1,460,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
1$950,000
3$3,750,000
CREATEDYEARSCAP HIT
DeBrincat, Alex
8$8,500,000
Moore, Oliver
3$950,000
Trades
1.
DET
  1. DeBrincat, Alex [RFA Rights]
Additional Details:
Detroit extends Cat 8 x $8,500,000
OTT
  1. Hanas, Cross
  2. 2023 1st round pick (NYI)
  3. 2023 2nd round pick (VAN)
2.
DET
  1. 2024 4th round pick (STL)
Additional Details:
Unfortunately that's probably the best offer we'll get for Zadina.
STL
  1. Zadina, Filip
Additional Details:
Can be any team.
3.
DET
  1. Vladar, Daniel
Additional Details:
Trade for Vlader instead of signing a backup.
CGY
  1. 2024 3rd round pick (DET)
Buyouts
Retained Salary Transactions
DraftRound 1Round 2Round 3Round 4Round 5Round 6Round 7
2023
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2024
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2025
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ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
23$83,500,000$71,372,849$0$4,455,000$12,127,151
Prorated Cap Hit

Roster

Left WingCentreRight Wing
DeBrincat, Alex
$8,500,000$8,454,301
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$8,700,000$8,653,226
C
NTC
UFA - 8
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$925,000$920,027 (Performance Bonus$2,500,000$2M)
RW, LW
RFA - 1
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$2,500,000$2,486,559
LW, RW
UFA - 1
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$5,625,000$5,594,758
C, LW, RW
M-NTC
UFA - 4
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$4,750,000$4,724,462
RW, LW
M-NTC
UFA - 1
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$905,833$900,963 (Performance Bonus$57,500$58K)
LW
RFA - 3
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$918,333$913,396
C
RFA - 4
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$925,000$920,027
RW, LW
RFA - 1
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$878,333$873,611 (Performance Bonus$57,500$58K)
LW, C
RFA - 2
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$1,460,000$1,452,151
C
RFA - 1
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$1,460,000$1,452,151
LW, C
UFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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$3,400,000$3,381,720
LD
M-NTC
UFA - 3
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$863,333$858,691 (Performance Bonus$850,000$850K)
RD
RFA - 1
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$4,750,000$4,724,462
G
M-NTC
UFA - 2
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$894,167$889,360 (Performance Bonus$850,000$850K)
LD
RFA - 3
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$4,750,000$4,724,462
LD/RD
M-NTC
UFA - 3
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$2,200,000$2,188,172
G
UFA - 2
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$3,000,000$2,983,871
LD
UFA - 2
$3,750,000$3,729,839
RD
UFA - 3
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
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$820,000$815,591 (Performance Bonus$82,500$82K)
LD
RFA - 1
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$4,000,000$3,978,495
LW
UFA - 2
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$867,500$862,836 (Performance Bonus$57,500$58K)
RD
RFA - 2
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$950,000$944,892
RW
UFA

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Jun. 1, 2023 at 10:26 p.m.
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Quoting: JhonnyCanuck5
Scott Stevens’ advance metrics were **** but was he a great Dman?


Source?
Jun. 1, 2023 at 10:31 p.m.
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I disagree. The stats say that Raymond is better than Mercer.


I agree, And it's been changed to show the fact.
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Jun. 1, 2023 at 10:34 p.m.
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Quoting: HockeyIsMyPassion61
I agree, And it's been changed to show the fact.


Lol, the only thing Raymond does "better" is get more power play time
Jun. 1, 2023 at 10:48 p.m.
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Source?


Of course you can’t find advanced analytics for the 90s and 2000s but it’s not a stretch to think that Steven’s wasn’t an analytics darling. Point is, for me, the eye test supersedes analytics. But there is a quote from Stevens himself saying that “analytics don’t account for positioning, but film exposes it.”
Jun. 1, 2023 at 10:49 p.m.
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Quoting: JhonnyCanuck5
Of course you can’t find advanced analytics for the 90s and 2000s but it’s not a stretch to think that Steven’s wasn’t an analytics darling. Point is, for me, the eye test supersedes analytics. But there is a quote from Stevens himself saying that “analytics don’t account for positioning, but film exposes it.”


"The eye test"
You're not a scout. But most scouts agree the devils have a better prospect pool

How many devils games have you watched?
Jun. 1, 2023 at 11:03 p.m.
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"The eye test"
You're not a scout. But most scouts agree the devils have a better prospect pool

How many devils games have you watched?


Probably the same number as you watched Red Wings games.
And you don’t have to be a scout to watch a game and see when a guy is constantly out of position, or skating slower than his counterparts, or losing battles in the corners, and so on. You can also see when teams tend to favor attacking one side of a D pairing over another. I’m not saying Hughes, Nemic and them won’t be great. And I’m not saying that Seider will be the next Lidstrom (greatest defenseman to ever play). But to say Seider doesn’t have Norris potential is just silly and shows your bias(which is fine, was all have it. But at least keep it reasonable).
Jun. 1, 2023 at 11:03 p.m.
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Quoting: Devil
And I'm simply stating that Fitzgerald is a good GM even without lottery luck
Drafting Mercer
Signing Hamilton
Trading for Marino and Graves
and more

Turned the Devils into contenders in two years


No one said he wasn’t good? I am just stating you’re incorrect if you think Yzerman isn’t, based on his results. He has hit on a lot and is building for the long haul (as he did in TB).

I was just stating it definitely helps when you have the extra luck on top of being good. Just look at which teams have benefited, and have suffered the most in terms of position moved. And with those numbers it looks like all four years of drafting and moves in the interim have gone well for Detroit.
Jun. 1, 2023 at 11:10 p.m.
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Quoting: JhonnyCanuck5
Probably the same number as you watched Red Wings games.
And you don’t have to be a scout to watch a game and see when a guy is constantly out of position, or skating slower than his counterparts, or losing battles in the corners, and so on. You can also see when teams tend to favor attacking one side of a D pairing over another. I’m not saying Hughes, Nemic and them won’t be great. And I’m not saying that Seider will be the next Lidstrom (greatest defenseman to ever play). But to say Seider doesn’t have Norris potential is just silly and shows your bias(which is fine, was all have it. But at least keep it reasonable).


I see Seider as being a legit number 1, consistent top 10 Defensemen in the league. But I don't see any scenario where he becomes Makar/Fox caliber.
Luke Hughes (primarily because he's younger and still has a lot more room to develop), has that potential, simply due to his skating, stick skills, and just overall talent. He very easily could not reach that potential, but he has all the skills you can't teach, and his issues (defensive positioning, over-aggressive/careless at times) are things that are fixable by an NHL coaching staff.
Even at 19 in the carolina series, he looked fantastic. Looked like the best skater on the ice. He made rookie mistakes, but game 5 I'd argue he was the best player on the ice for either team.
Jun. 1, 2023 at 11:16 p.m.
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No one is saying Fitz isn’t a good GM. We’re only saying he has gotten more luck, he walked into a team with Hischier and Hughes, and he isn’t better than Yzerman based on Yzerman’s track record(see his draft record and see Tampa).


And how does that relate to your statement that the Red Wings will win a cup before the Devils
Jun. 1, 2023 at 11:17 p.m.
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Is that why you chocked a series to Carolina? No Pacioretty or Svechnikov. You got lucky for one season. There will be better teams coming up knocking NJ down.


Didn't you say the Devils were going to miss the playoffs at the start of the year? Didn't you say the Devils weren't going to get Meier without giving up Mercer?
Jun. 1, 2023 at 11:17 p.m.
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laugh Holtz has been garbage.

Edvinsson > Hughes

Wallinder > Nemec

And the rest not even close.


Waillinder > Nemec is a royal joke
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Jun. 1, 2023 at 11:30 p.m.
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Quoting: JhonnyCanuck5
Probably the same number as you watched Red Wings games.
And you don’t have to be a scout to watch a game and see when a guy is constantly out of position, or skating slower than his counterparts, or losing battles in the corners, and so on. You can also see when teams tend to favor attacking one side of a D pairing over another. I’m not saying Hughes, Nemic and them won’t be great. And I’m not saying that Seider will be the next Lidstrom (greatest defenseman to ever play). But to say Seider doesn’t have Norris potential is just silly and shows your bias(which is fine, was all have it. But at least keep it reasonable).


And just to summarize my point about detroit, there are very evident holes in the roster when compared to NJD. Your lower tier prospects may all hit and fill those holes, but that's unlikely

Stars:
Hughes
Hischier Larkin
Meier
Bratt
Hamilton. Seider
Mercer Raymond

Finding 3 star quality players isn't easy

Potential Stars:
Hughes
Nemec Edvinsson
Holtz Kaspar

maybe you find someone in the draft or one of your prospects vastly overperforms their rank (these were the only 5 prospects+berrgen at 48 ranked in Wheeler's top 50, and they were all in his top 3 tiers) but I don't think they'll be Luke Hughes level
Quality long term pieces:
Siegenthaler
Marino
Palat
(Top 4 D, top 6 quality forwards, I'm not an expert on this, but I don't see one on Detroits D at all, but a few forwards might fit)

Potential future quality assets:
Casey Wallinder
Arseni Mazur
Soderblum
Berggren
2 draft picks
This is where I'd say detroit has the edge. But more depth prospects. I expect 2-4 to hit for Detroit, and 1-2 to hit for NJD.

Quality Starting Goalies:
Vitek. Husso
NJD has the edge but neither are 1A contenders.

Potential Starting Goalies
Schmid. Cossa
Schmid has been proven more (.922 sv% in 27 nhl games including playoffs this year), while cossa has more pedigreee.
Quality Depth Pieces:
NJD:
Haula
Mcleod
Yegor
Bahl
Again don't know what's a part of detroits long term plans, but depth is depth, and doesn't particularily matter (especially when NJD has good depth available and a fully fleshed out top 6 already (right now palat will be 3rd line likely)

Potential Depth
Walsh
Vilen
Foote
Clarke

I specifically don't see where/how Detroit makes up potentially 4 star players on NJD.
Jun. 2, 2023 at 12:01 a.m.
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And how does that relate to your statement that the Red Wings will win a cup before the Devils


Because I think this devils team over achieved and after the Timo deal, they’ll be pretty locked into their roster and I personally don’t see it being a roster that can win a cup. Whereas Detroit has a great prospect pool, young talent throughout the lineup, a GM with a proven track record, and cap flexibility.
Jun. 2, 2023 at 12:01 a.m.
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Waillinder > Nemec is a royal joke


I wouldn’t go Wallinder over Nemec but they’re a lot closer than you think.
Jun. 2, 2023 at 12:04 a.m.
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And just to summarize my point about detroit, there are very evident holes in the roster when compared to NJD. Your lower tier prospects may all hit and fill those holes, but that's unlikely

Stars:
Hughes
Hischier Larkin
Meier
Bratt
Hamilton. Seider
Mercer Raymond

Finding 3 star quality players isn't easy

Potential Stars:
Hughes
Nemec Edvinsson
Holtz Kaspar

maybe you find someone in the draft or one of your prospects vastly overperforms their rank (these were the only 5 prospects+berrgen at 48 ranked in Wheeler's top 50, and they were all in his top 3 tiers) but I don't think they'll be Luke Hughes level
Quality long term pieces:
Siegenthaler
Marino
Palat
(Top 4 D, top 6 quality forwards, I'm not an expert on this, but I don't see one on Detroits D at all, but a few forwards might fit)

Potential future quality assets:
Casey Wallinder
Arseni Mazur
Soderblum
Berggren
2 draft picks
This is where I'd say detroit has the edge. But more depth prospects. I expect 2-4 to hit for Detroit, and 1-2 to hit for NJD.

Quality Starting Goalies:
Vitek. Husso
NJD has the edge but neither are 1A contenders.

Potential Starting Goalies
Schmid. Cossa
Schmid has been proven more (.922 sv% in 27 nhl games including playoffs this year), while cossa has more pedigreee.
Quality Depth Pieces:
NJD:
Haula
Mcleod
Yegor
Bahl
Again don't know what's a part of detroits long term plans, but depth is depth, and doesn't particularily matter (especially when NJD has good depth available and a fully fleshed out top 6 already (right now palat will be 3rd line likely)

Potential Depth
Walsh
Vilen
Foote
Clarke

I specifically don't see where/how Detroit makes up potentially 4 star players on NJD.


I think you’re reaching a bit in what you consider a star player but I guess we’ll find out in a few years.
Jun. 2, 2023 at 12:12 a.m.
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I think you’re reaching a bit in what you consider a star player but I guess we’ll find out in a few years.


I'd argue if you take out the lower range of that (mercer+raymond) it goes to 5 stars vs 2
Jun. 2, 2023 at 12:14 a.m.
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Because I think this devils team over achieved and after the Timo deal, they’ll be pretty locked into their roster and I personally don’t see it being a roster that can win a cup. Whereas Detroit has a great prospect pool, young talent throughout the lineup, a GM with a proven track record, and cap flexibility.


Do the Devils have a great prospect pool? Nemec, Hughes, Holtz, Gritsyuk, Daws, Foote ✅
Do the Devils have young talent throughout the lineup? Hughes, Hischier, Bratt, Mercer ✅
Do the Devils have a GM with a proven track record? Stole Meier from SJ, Stole Marino from PIT, Stole Siegenthaler from WASH. Great trades involving Graves, Vanacek, Coleman, Palmieri, Greene. Drafted Nemec, Hughes, Mercer, Holtz, Mukhamudullin, Casey. Signed Hamilton, Palat, Tatar. Signed Hughes to one of the best contracts in the entire league. Led the Devils from a rebuilding team to a contender in 3 years. ✅
Do they Devils have cap flexibility? $35 Million in cap space ✅
Jun. 2, 2023 at 1:14 a.m.
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Waillinder > Nemec is a royal joke


guess with old age you don't really get much smarter.

im very glad the one time he makes an acgm he gets dragged through the mud. deserved.
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Jun. 2, 2023 at 2:30 a.m.
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Quoting: JhonnyCanuck5
I wouldn’t go Wallinder over Nemec but they’re a lot closer than you think.


Wallinder is closer to Seamus Casey than he is Nemec.
Jun. 2, 2023 at 9:20 a.m.
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I'd argue if you take out the lower range of that (mercer+raymond) it goes to 5 stars vs 2


I’d say Hughes is the only star for either team right now. But we have different definitions of what a star is.
Jun. 2, 2023 at 10:09 a.m.
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I’d say Hughes is the only star for either team right now. But we have different definitions of what a star is.


Hughes is the only superstar. Star is a lower bar
Jun. 2, 2023 at 6:40 p.m.
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Quoting: Devil
And I'm simply stating that Fitzgerald is a good GM even without lottery luck
Drafting Mercer
Signing Hamilton
Trading for Marino and Graves
and more

Turned the Devils into contenders in two years


To be absolutely fair even the lottery luck is slightly subjective, cuz for instance in 2017 Devils jumped from 5th to 1st.

1st overall that year was Nico Hischier. 5th overall was Elias Pettersson.

I'd argue Pettersson is the better player of the two, effectively meaning that in terms of end result, they did not benefit from that lottery win at all.
Jun. 3, 2023 at 4:59 a.m.
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To be absolutely fair even the lottery luck is slightly subjective, cuz for instance in 2017 Devils jumped from 5th to 1st.

1st overall that year was Nico Hischier. 5th overall was Elias Pettersson.

I'd argue Pettersson is the better player of the two, effectively meaning that in terms of end result, they did not benefit from that lottery win at all.

I'm not sure that's the correct point to make boos, though I suppose I'd agree with Pettersson being slightly better than Hischier.
Hischier is still an elite player and if the Devils were in any other position in the 2017 draft they may have been the unlucky team to draft Patrick.
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Jun. 3, 2023 at 6:17 a.m.
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I'm not sure that's the correct point to make boos, though I suppose I'd agree with Pettersson being slightly better than Hischier.
Hischier is still an elite player and if the Devils were in any other position in the 2017 draft they may have been the unlucky team to draft Patrick.


Tbh in 2017 the top two was always going to be Hischier and Patrick, because they were ahead the rest during that draft year. Prior to the year Patrick was unquestioned No. 1, but suffered from injuries during his draft year, which made Hischier's stock raise. In the end, Devils made the correct choice of the first two. Frankly, I think the top5 of that year simply represents the order these prospects were ranked by the draft.

Had there not been lottery, the prospects would've likely ended up as follows

1. Hischier/Patrick to COL
2. Patrick/Hischier to VAN
3. Heiskanen/Makar to VGK
4. Makar/Heiskanen to ARI
5. Pettersson/Glass to NJ
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Jun. 3, 2023 at 7:11 a.m.
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