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Treliving First Moves

Created by: KingExLeafs
Team: 2023-24 Toronto Maple Leafs
Initial Creation Date: May 30, 2023
Published: May 30, 2023
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It's official. Treliving's the new GM.
Free Agent Signings
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2$3,400,000
2$935,000
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2$2,000,000
2$1,000,000
2$1,400,000
4$4,000,000
4$4,100,000
2$925,000
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CGY
  1. Nylander, William
  2. 2023 1st round pick (BOS)
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2023
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22$83,500,000$80,604,084$0$0$2,895,916
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C
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RW
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C, LW
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$4,850,000$4,850,000
C, RW
UFA - 1
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$2,125,000$2,125,000
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UFA - 1
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$1,150,000$1,150,000
RW, C, LW
UFA - 1
$4,000,000$4,000,000
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UFA - 1
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RW, C, LW
M-NTC
UFA - 3
$925,000$925,000
LW, RW
UFA - 1
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UFA - 3
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RW
UFA - 1
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LD
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RD
UFA - 3
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$766,667$766,667
G
RFA - 2
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$2,000,000$2,000,000
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M-NTC
UFA - 2
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$1,400,000$1,400,000
RD
RFA - 1
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
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$796,667$796,667
LW, RW
RFA - 1
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$5,625,000$5,625,000
LD
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May 30, 2023 at 10:02 p.m.
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Flames decline, not trading our 1C for a winger
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May 30, 2023 at 10:04 p.m.
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Absolutely fleecing his old team?
May 30, 2023 at 10:06 p.m.
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Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy
Flames decline, not trading our 1C for a winger


Is he a 1c without Gaudreeau? 22 goals and 64 points isn’t what I would call a 1C.
May 30, 2023 at 10:14 p.m.
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Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy
Flames decline, not trading our 1C for a winger


Flames are trading a complimentary piece for a primary play driver and elite goal scorer. They are getting the best player in the deal, no question.
May 30, 2023 at 10:17 p.m.
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Quoting: Newtown
Is he a 1c without Gaudreeau? 22 goals and 64 points isn’t what I would call a 1C.


Lol absolutely, for the 2nd year in a row his linemates have had career seasons because he does so much of the defensive heavy lifting like Bergeron does for his linemates.

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Flames are trading a complimentary piece for a primary play driver and elite goal scorer. They are getting the best player in the deal, no question.


Incredibly debatable take. If you think your player was so much better you wouldn't be trading him
May 30, 2023 at 10:25 p.m.
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Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy
Lol absolutely, for the 2nd year in a row his linemates have had career seasons because he does so much of the defensive heavy lifting like Bergeron does for his linemates.



Incredibly debatable take. If you think your player was so much better you wouldn't be trading him


Nylander wants and deserves a big raise. And the Leafs can't afford it. Simple as that. If JT's contract wasn't on the books for two more years then the team would look to bring him back.
May 30, 2023 at 10:59 p.m.
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LOL- Flames would jump at that and laugh all the way to the playoffs.
May 30, 2023 at 11:09 p.m.
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Quoting: KingExLeafs
Nylander wants and deserves a big raise. And the Leafs can't afford it. Simple as that. If JT's contract wasn't on the books for two more years then the team would look to bring him back.


The Flames are pressed up against the cap and can’t afford that raise either. Even if the Flames can scrap and save enough money to give Nylander his 9 mil (conservative estimate) raise, they won’t have any cap space to sign another 1c and will be forced to rely on 32 year old Nazem Kadri.
May 30, 2023 at 11:28 p.m.
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The Flames are pressed up against the cap and can’t afford that raise either. Even if the Flames can scrap and save enough money to give Nylander his 9 mil (conservative estimate) raise, they won’t have any cap space to sign another 1c and will be forced to rely on 32 year old Nazem Kadri.


I've looked at the Flames cap situation and they can afford it. Both Backlund and Zadorov are UFAs at the end of next season. That's 9 million off the books. And if Wolf turns out to be a star they can move on from Markstrom's 6 million cap hit.

And there are other options as well. The Flames don't have a bad contract on their books apart from Coleman.
May 31, 2023 at 12:15 a.m.
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Quoting: KingExLeafs
Nylander wants and deserves a big raise. And the Leafs can't afford it. Simple as that. If JT's contract wasn't on the books for two more years then the team would look to bring him back.


And Lindholm deserves a big raise too no? He's going to get at least 8.5M. Nylander might get somewhere between 9-9.5M (doubtful he gets more) were talking about a 500k to 1M difference before factoring in value of position.

Personally I don't view Nylander as the better player, both him and Lindholm are expected to be 70-80 points a year. Sometimes they exceed that number and sometimes they fall short (both players have dones so of each in the last 3 years).
May 31, 2023 at 2:01 p.m.
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Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy
Lol absolutely, for the 2nd year in a row his linemates have had career seasons because he does so much of the defensive heavy lifting like Bergeron does for his linemates.



Incredibly debatable take. If you think your player was so much better you wouldn't be trading him


He’s only really had a couple good offensive seasons. Sounds like a quality 2 way 2nd line center.
May 31, 2023 at 2:17 p.m.
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Quoting: Newtown
He’s only really had a couple good offensive seasons. Sounds like a quality 2 way 2nd line center.


And Huberdeau is a 55 point player. Maybe this season should be considered a write off since nearly everyone's numbers took a dip this year

Also Nylander has only had 2 good offensive seasons too. In 20/21 he only had a 68 point pace, in 19/20 he only had a 71 point pace, in 18/19 he had a 41 point pace. Lindholm had a 69 point pace in 20/21, a 63 point pace in 19/20, and a near ppg in 18/19. I would not be at all shocked if Lindholm outproduces Nylander next year
May 31, 2023 at 5:46 p.m.
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Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy
And Huberdeau is a 55 point player. Maybe this season should be considered a write off since nearly everyone's numbers took a dip this year

Also Nylander has only had 2 good offensive seasons too. In 20/21 he only had a 68 point pace, in 19/20 he only had a 71 point pace, in 18/19 he had a 41 point pace. Lindholm had a 69 point pace in 20/21, a 63 point pace in 19/20, and a near ppg in 18/19. I would not be at all shocked if Lindholm outproduces Nylander next year


Lindholm has averaged 56 points over 82 games during his career. He has had 1 ppg season. 2021/22 he had 82 points in 82 games. A season where both his linemates had over 100 points. If you are expecting Lindholm to be anything more than a 60 point player, you will likely be disappointed, since he has 70+ points once and 80+ points once.

Huberdeau has averaged 73 points over 82 games during his career. His 115 point season was preceeded by 3 more seasons where he had over a ppg. So no, Huberdeau is not a 55 point player, but Lindholm is a 56 point player.
May 31, 2023 at 5:53 p.m.
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Quoting: Newtown
Lindholm has averaged 56 points over 82 games during his career. He has had 1 ppg season. 2021/22 he had 82 points in 82 games. A season where both his linemates had over 100 points. If you are expecting Lindholm to be anything more than a 60 point player, you will likely be disappointed, since he has 70+ points once and 80+ points once.

Huberdeau has averaged 73 points over 82 games during his career. His 115 point season was preceeded by 3 more seasons where he had over a ppg. So no, Huberdeau is not a 55 point player, but Lindholm is a 56 point player.


Are you really using numbers from 7+ years ago? tears of joy
Complete waste of time talking to you then it seems
May 31, 2023 at 5:55 p.m.
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Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy
Are you really using numbers from 7+ years ago? tears of joy
Complete waste of time talking to you then it seems


I used Lindholm’s numbers from last year and you didn’t like that either. Is the only season we are allowed to count the one two years ago where both his line-mates had over 100 points? That would be weird.

Three years ago 47 points, 4 years ago 54 points…
May 31, 2023 at 5:57 p.m.
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I used Lindholm’s number from last year and you didn’t like that either. Is the only season we are allowed to count the one two years ago where both his line-mates had over 100 points? That would be weird.


No people generally use a 3 year sample size
May 31, 2023 at 5:59 p.m.
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Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy
No people generally use a 3 year sample size


Which 3 years would you like me to use?
May 31, 2023 at 6:42 p.m.
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Which 3 years would you like me to use?


Use the last 3, What is so confusing about this to you. Either way this conversation is a waste of time because Calgary is still not trading their 1C for a winger
May 31, 2023 at 10:11 p.m.
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Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy
Use the last 3, What is so confusing about this to you. Either way this conversation is a waste of time because Calgary is still not trading their 1C for a winger


However you want to slice it he has only ever been a PPG player once in his career. The year his linemates both had over 100 points. He’s a #2 C and doesn’t compare to the top centers in the league.
May 31, 2023 at 10:32 p.m.
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However you want to slice it he has only ever been a PPG player once in his career. The year his linemates both had over 100 points. He’s a #2 C and doesn’t compare to the top centers in the league.


This really tells me how little youve actually watched him play. Calling him a 2C implies there are at least 32 centers that are better than him and that is certainly not true.

Centers that are better than Lindholm: McDavid, MacKinnon, Matthews, Barkov, Draisaitl, Hughes, Crosby, Eichel, Point, Pettersson, Aho, and Zibanejad. Centers around the same Caliber to Lindholm, Malkin, Hintz, Miller, Barzal, and Thomas.

Every single one of those players named is without a doubt a 1st line center caliber player. Some are vetter than others but that does not make the other any less 1st line centers
May 31, 2023 at 11:23 p.m.
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Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy
This really tells me how little youve actually watched him play. Calling him a 2C implies there are at least 32 centers that are better than him and that is certainly not true.

Centers that are better than Lindholm: McDavid, MacKinnon, Matthews, Barkov, Draisaitl, Hughes, Crosby, Eichel, Point, Pettersson, Aho, and Zibanejad. Centers around the same Caliber to Lindholm, Malkin, Hintz, Miller, Barzal, and Thomas.

Every single one of those players named is without a doubt a 1st line center caliber player. Some are vetter than others but that does not make the other any less 1st line centers


We have a different opinion of what a number one center is. A number one center drives play night in and night out and makes an impact. Malkin was. Now he’s inconsistent and plays a selfish game. Thomas had one good year and was pretty bad last year — definitely not a 1C. Barzal, likes to skate around the perimeter, but does not have the ability to take the puck to the net consistently — probably a low end 1C. Miller, congrats on having a great shot, but he does not drive play consistently and is uninterested in playing defence — definitely not a 1C. Hintz, is emerging as a bonafide 1C and was one in the playoffs.. Nobody will argue about the others on the top of the list.

Tage Thompson has had 2 fantastic years and looked every bit a number 1 center this year — drove play consistently and was a threat most times he was on the ice. Stutzle and his play plus a 90 point season indicate he has arrived. Stamkos was,, but inconsistencies in his game and a more permanent move to the wing leave that in doubt — that said he is head and shoulder above Lindholm offensively. I would say Hischier is borderline. Tavares was, but has slowed and is probably more of a 2C at this point — still superior to Lindholm offensively. RNH is also a better offensive player. Dylan Larkin deserves consideration — he drives play and is a threat while playing with lesser players. Kopitar is an elite 2-way center that has slowed and is probably borderline at this point. Bo Horvat is not a 1C IMO. PLD and Scheifele are not — they struggle against top teams and top centers in the match up game. I’d keep an eye on Berniers, Joel Erikson EK, and Dylan Cozens over the next couple years — they are on the cusp but not quite there yet. Kuznetsov has the talent, but it depends on the year and whether he wants to play.

There might be 20 true number 1 centers in the league right now — some teams just don’t have one — just because you are getting 1C icetime does not make you one. This goes for #1 Dmen — there aren’t 32 of them in the league — unless you want to pretend by your definition that Arizona has a #1 Dman.
 
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