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Who is the best Center that could be traded for with this package

Created by: bcooke
Team: 2023-24 Colorado Avalanche
Initial Creation Date: Jun. 1, 2023
Published: Jun. 1, 2023
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Expecting Toews to get an extension worked out to stay in COL. But in the event that they can't, what is the best they could do at 2C for Toews and 2 1st round picks.

Left some names off. Really just curious on value.
Trades
1.
COL
  1. Bemström, Emil
  2. Roslovic, Jack
  3. 2023 1st round pick (LAK)
CBJ
  1. Toews, Devon
Additional Details:
CBJ fits as a potential partner in a 3 way deal in the event that the team trading away a top quality center to COL does not need Toews either because LD isn't a need or they aren't cup contenders. 3rd party could swap out CBJ assets as needed that are equal in value to Toews. This package nets a 1st + young wing + NHL center to fill out center depth for the team trading to COL.
2.
COL
  1. Lindholm, Elias
Additional Details:
Lindholm extends in COL
CGY
  1. Bemström, Emil
  2. Roslovic, Jack
  3. 2023 1st round pick (COL)
  4. 2023 1st round pick (LAK)
  5. 2024 1st round pick (COL)
3.
4.
COL
  1. Pettersson, Elias
Additional Details:
Extends in COL
VAN
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7.
8.
9.
10.
COL
  1. Matthews, Auston
Additional Details:
Extends in COL
TOR
11.
DraftRound 1Round 2Round 3Round 4Round 5Round 6Round 7
2023
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2024
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2025
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ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
21$83,500,000$127,940,250$637,500$0-$44,440,250
Left WingCentreRight Wing
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$4,500,000$4,500,000
LW, RW
NTC
UFA - 4
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$12,600,000$12,600,000
C
NMC
UFA - 8
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$9,250,000$9,250,000
RW, C
M-NTC
UFA - 2
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$8,700,000$8,700,000
C
NMC
UFA - 2
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$6,125,000$6,125,000
RW, LW
NMC
UFA - 7
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$4,850,000$4,850,000
C, RW
UFA - 1
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$1,050,000$1,050,000
RW, LW
UFA - 2
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$7,350,000$7,350,000
C, LW
UFA - 1
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$11,640,250$11,640,250
C
NMC
UFA - 1
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$5,800,000$5,800,000
LW, RW, C
M-NTC
UFA - 2
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$5,850,000$5,850,000
RW, C
M-NTC
UFA - 3
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$6,750,000$6,750,000
C
NMC
UFA - 7
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$4,000,000$4,000,000
C, RW
UFA - 2
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$5,250,000$5,250,000
C
UFA - 6
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$8,700,000$8,700,000
C
NTC
UFA - 8
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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$5,000,000$5,000,000
LD/RD
UFA - 4
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$9,000,000$9,000,000
RD
UFA - 4
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$3,400,000$3,400,000
G
UFA - 2
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$4,500,000$4,500,000
RD
NTC
UFA - 3
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$2,000,000$2,000,000
G
UFA - 1
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$987,500$987,500
LD/RD, LW
UFA - 1
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
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$7,000,000$7,000,000
LW, C
NMC
UFA - 6

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Jun. 1, 2023 at 12:00 p.m.
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The best or makes the most sense? Those answers are completely different.
Jun. 1, 2023 at 12:03 p.m.
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Quoting: Logicalicesports
The best or makes the most sense? Those answers are completely different.


Best. Assuming that player is willing to waive any potential NMC/NTC and extend at the end of their contract.
Jun. 1, 2023 at 12:06 p.m.
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realistically, only hertl and schmaltz can be targeted.

Crosby & Matthews aren't being moved - neither new GM/Prez could do that without welcoming some pain from the players, fans, staff, etc.

The other 4 are 1Cs for their given teams. None of them are being moved at this point. It would require a complete collapse of one of these teams during the season.
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Jun. 1, 2023 at 12:07 p.m.
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The best for the Avs in a purely theoretical sense is Crosby.

Value wise off who you listed Johanssen would be the cheapest imo
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Jun. 1, 2023 at 12:08 p.m.
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Buch is not a C, and you cannot possibly think the Blues or Wild would trade those players to the Avs.
Jun. 1, 2023 at 12:09 p.m.
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Quoting: swissmontana
realistically, only hertl and schmaltz can be targeted.

Crosby & Matthews aren't being moved - neither new GM/Prez could do that without welcoming some pain from the players, fans, staff, etc.

The other 4 are 1Cs for their given teams. None of them are being moved at this point. It would require a complete collapse of one of these teams during the season.


I think Nashville would love to move Johanssen
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Jun. 1, 2023 at 12:14 p.m.
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Quoting: mokumboi
Buch is not a C, and you cannot possibly think the Blues or Wild would trade those players to the Avs.


Buch is just as much a C as Schmaltz is. Both around 200 FO's taken. Avs aren't as concerned as other franchises about where the forwards play.

Quoting: Xqb15a
The best for the Avs in a purely theoretical sense is Crosby.

Value wise off who you listed Johanssen would be the cheapest imo


Didn't feel like listing every 1C or 2C in the league that might make sense for some or all of the assets listed. Tried to grab a variety without getting everyone.
Jun. 1, 2023 at 12:16 p.m.
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Really lots of crazy extension talk.....expecting player to re up and then not knowing how these raises to players fit into the cap.
Not a very good group of centre UFAs except for ROR. Gotta think Jets are going to be sellers with all their upcoming UFA, so Scheifele should be considered
Jun. 1, 2023 at 12:18 p.m.
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Quoting: palhal
Really lots of crazy extension talk.....expecting player to re up and then not knowing how these raises to players fit into the cap.
Not a very good group of centre UFAs except for ROR. Gotta think Jets are going to be sellers with all their upcoming UFA, so Scheifele should be considered


Didn't grab Scheifele just because Avs likely have the assets to acquire him if they wanted without trading Toews.
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Jun. 1, 2023 at 12:20 p.m.
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I think Nashville would love to move Johanssen


yeah maybe, but probably not in-division
Jun. 1, 2023 at 12:20 p.m.
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Quoting: bcooke
Didn't grab Scheifele just because Avs likely have the assets to acquire him if they wanted without trading Toews.


Is Avs UFA Compher "good enough" to play big minutes as the 2C?
Jun. 1, 2023 at 12:21 p.m.
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Vancouver isn't trading Pettersson, if we were it starts with Makar or MacKinnon
Jun. 1, 2023 at 12:21 p.m.
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A while ago someone posted a 3-team trade. EK65 to TOR, Tavares to COL (Sharks retain half) and a package to SJ. He's not Auston Matthews but 2 years of having a cheap Tavares slot in at 2C behind MacKinnon would be pretty interesting.
Jun. 1, 2023 at 12:26 p.m.
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I can see Lindholm being traded this off-season.
That would mean CAL is going into a 1-2 year retool to go with new core of Kadri, Hubby, Mangiapane (prob), Toffoli (maybe?) and Weegar.
Thus I beleive they would want an NHL ready young center coming back. Does Newhook fit?
Jun. 1, 2023 at 12:31 p.m.
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I can see Lindholm being traded this off-season.
That would mean CAL is going into a 1-2 year retool to go with new core of Kadri, Hubby, Mangiapane (prob), Toffoli (maybe?) and Weegar.
Thus I beleive they would want an NHL ready young center coming back. Does Newhook fit?


I could see Newhook being involved for the Lindholm or some other young guys with 1C potential. Would depend on if Newhook was an add to 3 firsts, Roslovic, and a prospect or if he could be swapped for one of the firsts or Roslovic. A guy like Lindholm would solve the Avs 2C position for the next 8-9 years and make Newhook expendable IMO.
Jun. 1, 2023 at 12:46 p.m.
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Probably not available….
- Pettersson
- Crosby
- Matthews
- Larkin

I wouldn’t….
- Johansen
- Lindholm

Are really wingers
- Buchnevich
- Schmaltz

That leaves…
- Tomas Hertl

Other options (not listed)
- JT Miller
- Backlund (would cost less)
- Strome (ANA one, would also cost less)
- Hayes (lot less)
- Henrique (one pick)
- Barzal

Or would try for younger player…
- Morgan Frost
- Wyatt Johnston
- Barrett Hayton
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Jun. 1, 2023 at 12:46 p.m.
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Quoting: bcooke
I could see Newhook being involved for the Lindholm or some other young guys with 1C potential. Would depend on if Newhook was an add to 3 firsts, Roslovic, and a prospect or if he could be swapped for one of the firsts or Roslovic. A guy like Lindholm would solve the Avs 2C position for the next 8-9 years and make Newhook expendable IMO.


I think Lindholm with an extension already dealt before trade doesn't brink back more than Newhook, COL's 2023 1st (27 OA) and another fine prospect.
He's 28, has an average of 0.78 ppg after his ELC and is not known for playoffs heroics. I don't think this is ''3x 1st ++'' matter.
Also, I would be prudent with extending him for more than 6 years. 7,5M AAV until 37 is quite risky IMO.
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Jun. 1, 2023 at 1:11 p.m.
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Quoting: bcooke
Buch is just as much a C as Schmaltz is. Both around 200 FO's taken. Avs aren't as concerned as other franchises about where the forwards play.


Ehh what??? Taking draws is far from the sole indicator of playing C, and loads of Cs through hockey history had linemates take draws. Doesn;t change their positional responsibilities.

Buch is a winger who (for the first time ever in seven seasons) was asked to fill in at C on an emergency basis over the last 25-30 games due to trades and injuries. He took more draws in those couple dozen games than he had in his whole career prior. Doesn't magically make him a C. And Schmaltz stopped taking draws last season because he's awful at them. Even so, he still has taken almost 10x as many draws than Buch in fewer games.

And none of it matters because the Blues are not handing Buch to Colorado. It's not even worth discussing.
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Jun. 1, 2023 at 1:11 p.m.
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Canucks wouldn't move Petey for anything short of Makar. He's our franchise centrepiece that we are building a team around, he won't be moved unless you give up an offer they can't refuse, which starts with Makar.
Jun. 1, 2023 at 2:15 p.m.
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yeah maybe, but probably not in-division


I doubt they care - they'd love to shed that contract
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Jun. 1, 2023 at 2:16 p.m.
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Is Avs UFA Compher "good enough" to play big minutes as the 2C?


No
Jun. 1, 2023 at 2:16 p.m.
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I could see Newhook being involved for the Lindholm or some other young guys with 1C potential. Would depend on if Newhook was an add to 3 firsts, Roslovic, and a prospect or if he could be swapped for one of the firsts or Roslovic. A guy like Lindholm would solve the Avs 2C position for the next 8-9 years and make Newhook expendable IMO.


That would plug the hole at 2C but then they'd have to replace Newhook as well
Jun. 1, 2023 at 2:26 p.m.
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Canucks wouldn't move Petey for anything short of Makar. He's our franchise centrepiece that we are building a team around, he won't be moved unless you give up an offer they can't refuse, which starts with Makar.


Hmmm, that's an interesting exercise. Taking out the fact that neither team would want to do it, the question that springs to mind for me is: Is Petey a generational talent? He's clearly elite but is he a guy you'd choose to build a team around if you could pick any player in the league? Because Makar is definitely one of those kinds of players.
Jun. 1, 2023 at 2:58 p.m.
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Hmmm, that's an interesting exercise. Taking out the fact that neither team would want to do it, the question that springs to mind for me is: Is Petey a generational talent? He's clearly elite but is he a guy you'd choose to build a team around if you could pick any player in the league? Because Makar is definitely one of those kinds of players.


I'd say Pettersson is 100% a guy you'd build a team around. He's a 1C, just finished top 10 in the league in points, and plays any and all situations including 5 on 5, PP1, PK1, OT, and SO. I don't see how you wouldn't want to build a team around that kind of guy. I do agree though that neither team would want to do that swap, but the answer to the original question of who is available is that Vancouver would want to trade Petey as much as the Avs would be interested in trading Makar.
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Jun. 1, 2023 at 4:03 p.m.
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That would plug the hole at 2C but then they'd have to replace Newhook as well


Isn't Newhook groomed to be 2C anyways?
I'm not very familiar with him, but he seems to have hit the sophomore wall last season. Would like him to grow in an Avs jersey but are they patient enough?
 
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