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Created by: Mediumyeet
Team: 2023-24 Vancouver Canucks
Initial Creation Date: Jun. 5, 2023
Published: Jun. 5, 2023
Salary Cap Mode: Basic
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
6$3,750,000
2$875,000
1$2,200,000
2$850,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
1$1,500,000
5$5,000,000
Trades
1.
VAN
  1. Peeke, Andrew
  2. Sillinger, Cole
  3. 2023 1st round pick (LAK)
CBJ
  1. Miller, J.T.
  2. 2023 3rd round pick (VAN)
2.
VAN
  1. Colton, Ross [RFA Rights]
TBL
  1. Podkolzin, Vasily
  2. 2023 4th round pick (NYR)
3.
4.
DET
  1. Myers, Tyler ($2,000,000 retained)
  2. 2023 4th round pick (DET)
Retained Salary Transactions
DraftRound 1Round 2Round 3Round 4Round 5Round 6Round 7
2023
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2024
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2025
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ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
23$83,500,000$76,433,750$850,000$850,000$7,066,250
Left WingCentreRight Wing
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$5,500,000$5,500,000
LW, RW
M-NTC
UFA - 2
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$7,350,000$7,350,000
C, LW
UFA - 1
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$875,000$875,000
LW, RW
RFA - 2
$5,000,000$5,000,000
LW, RW
UFA - 5
$3,750,000$3,750,000
C, LW
UFA - 4
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$6,650,000$6,650,000
RW
UFA - 2
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$4,750,000$4,750,000
LW, RW
M-NTC
UFA - 3
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$925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$850,000$850K)
C
RFA - 1
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$4,150,000$4,150,000
RW, LW
UFA - 1
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$825,000$825,000
LW
UFA - 1
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$883,750$883,750
C
RFA - 1
$1,500,000$1,500,000
C, LW
UFA - 1
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$775,000$775,000
LW
UFA - 2
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$762,500$762,500
RW, C
RFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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$7,850,000$7,850,000
LD
UFA - 4
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$2,750,000$2,750,000
RD
UFA - 3
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$5,000,000$5,000,000
G
UFA - 3
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$2,250,000$2,250,000
LD
UFA - 1
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$4,400,000$4,400,000
RD
RFA - 1
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$762,500$762,500
G
UFA - 1
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$3,900,000$3,900,000
LD
UFA - 1
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$2,200,000$2,200,000
RD
UFA - 2
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$775,000$775,000
LD
UFA - 2
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
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$3,250,000$3,250,000
LW
UFA - 1
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$2,500,000$2,500,000
RD
UFA - 2

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Jun. 5, 2023 at 3:32 p.m.
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A team has to like Miller's 8m X 7 year deal to even consider the trade. Admitting CBJ might be good spot for him, but an eight year contract starting at the age of 30....that's iffy.
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Jun. 5, 2023 at 3:46 p.m.
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Detroit doesn't need retention, but Hirose is a great leader in GR and valuable to be able to flex between GR and Detroit, we're not trading him for that...
To Det:
Myers+3rd
To Van:
6th round pick

That's about the only value that makes sense...
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Jun. 5, 2023 at 3:47 p.m.
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TB probably declines?? Colton package looks like it can and probably will get beat by another team
I don't know enough about Podkolzin to voice an opinion on him, but feel like TB would want another cheap roster ready player back instead of a late 4th round pick.
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Jun. 5, 2023 at 3:48 p.m.
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Quoting: palhal
A team has to like Miller's 8m X 7 year deal to even consider the trade. Admitting CBJ might be good spot for him, but an eight year contract starting at the age of 30....that's iffy.


It's a 7 yr deal but I agree a team would have to like him. CBJ is known to make big swings and I think they'd actually view the term security as a plus since they have notoriously had difficulties keeping players. With them bringing in Babcock and whoever they get a 3OA (Carlsson most likely) I could see them taking a swing on someone like Miller to expedite the process and try to get them back into the thick of things as soon as this season.
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Jun. 5, 2023 at 3:49 p.m.
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Quoting: Brolekb2b
TB probably declines?? Colton package looks like it can and probably will get beat by another team
I don't know enough about Podkolzin to voice an opinion on him, but feel like TB would want another cheap roster ready player back instead of a late 4th round pick.


Podz seems like the prototypical Tampa target. Cheap hard physical player that has lots of team control and upside.
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Jun. 5, 2023 at 3:51 p.m.
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Quoting: DeadWingsv2
Detroit doesn't need retention, but Hirose is a great leader in GR and valuable to be able to flex between GR and Detroit, we're not trading him for that...
To Det:
Myers+3rd
To Van:
6th round pick

That's about the only value that makes sense...


The retention is mainly to help with increased trade value at the deadline. I think Detroit would consider something similar to this. Myers fills a temporary hole and can be flipped for probably a 2nd or better at the deadline.
Jun. 5, 2023 at 4:17 p.m.
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Quoting: Mediumyeet
The retention is mainly to help with increased trade value at the deadline. I think Detroit would consider something similar to this. Myers fills a temporary hole and can be flipped for probably a 2nd or better at the deadline.

Detroit doesn't need retention, it doesn't add value to us, a better asset does. "Flipping" players isn't really a thing, everyone needs to realize this. You never add a player that you don't intend to finish the season with, just sometimes events change and then you trade a player, but not to "flip" them and also, the return is almost never better than what you gave up for them.

Myers to Detroit could definitely work, but it's going to have to make sense for Detroit...
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Jun. 5, 2023 at 4:21 p.m.
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Just 26 more days until Miller's NMC kicks in and we can say goodbye to these proposals. I can't wait.
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Jun. 5, 2023 at 4:23 p.m.
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Quoting: DeadWingsv2
Detroit doesn't need retention, it doesn't add value to us, a better asset does. "Flipping" players isn't really a thing, everyone needs to realize this. You never add a player that you don't intend to finish the season with, just sometimes events change and then you trade a player, but not to "flip" them and also, the return is almost never better than what you gave up for them.

Myers to Detroit could definitely work, but it's going to have to make sense for Detroit...


This does make sense for Detroit and flipping players on expiring contracts happens all the time. Arizona does this every year.

Detroit gets a RHD (since they only have 1 right now) that has consistently played 22+ minutes a night in his career. He fills a hole for them and they get a 4th rounder to do so. Big top 4 minute RHD are always in demand at the deadline and the lower the salary the higher the return typically. These type of dman consistently go for a 2nd or 1st at the deadline. If Detroit likes Myers and they're in the playoffs then maybe they just keep him but more likely they move him at the deadline and just turned 4 mil in cap space + an AHL player into a 4th + 2nd (or better) + filled a hole for the majority of the season.
Jun. 5, 2023 at 4:28 p.m.
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This does make sense for Detroit and flipping players on expiring contracts happens all the time. Arizona does this every year.

Detroit gets a RHD (since they only have 1 right now) that has consistently played 22+ minutes a night in his career. He fills a hole for them and they get a 4th rounder to do so. Big top 4 minute RHD are always in demand at the deadline and the lower the salary the higher the return typically. These type of dman consistently go for a 2nd or 1st at the deadline. If Detroit likes Myers and they're in the playoffs then maybe they just keep him but more likely they move him at the deadline and just turned 4 mil in cap space + an AHL player into a 4th + 2nd (or better) + filled a hole for the majority of the season.

Arizona is the entire league's farm team and cap offshore, they hardly count.

Detroit is not giving ANY value back for Myers and need to be compensated for taking his contract off your books, or there is no incentive to do it.

Also, let's not act like Myers underlying numbers haven't been terrible lately... he's a cap dump.
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Jun. 5, 2023 at 4:32 p.m.
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Quoting: DeadWingsv2
Arizona is the entire league's farm team and cap offshore, they hardly count.

Detroit is not giving ANY value back for Myers and need to be compensated for taking his contract off your books, or there is no incentive to do it.

Also, let's not act like Myers underlying numbers haven't been terrible lately... he's a cap dump.


I just explained the value and gave you an example of flipping assets. And yes he is a cap dump at his salary, hence the 2mil retention + the 4th round pick. If you choose to be blind to reasoning then that is on you and I can't help you there.
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Jun. 5, 2023 at 4:39 p.m.
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I just explained the value and gave you an example of flipping assets. And yes he is a cap dump at his salary, hence the 2mil retention + the 4th round pick. If you choose to be blind to reasoning then that is on you and I can't help you there.

wow, good job COMPLETELY ignoring my points, good afternoon.
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Jun. 5, 2023 at 5:04 p.m.
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Quoting: Brolekb2b
TB probably declines?? Colton package looks like it can and probably will get beat by another team
I don't know enough about Podkolzin to voice an opinion on him, but feel like TB would want another cheap roster ready player back instead of a late 4th round pick.


I think Tampa definitely declines this. Podkolzin is a downgrade and the 4th doesn't make up the difference at all. Tampa, if they actually entertain trade offers on Colton, should be looking for a young LD that is already somewhat established in the league(POJ, Bahl, Broberg etc) and a bottom 6 F type that is also cost controlled, or a F prospect that is close. Vancouver doesn't seem to have the dman Tampa would be looking for, so I don't see them as a.good trading partner here.
Jun. 5, 2023 at 5:08 p.m.
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Tampa probably considers that if they are forced to trade Colton, but they'd want a cost controlled LHD instead of the pick. A Rathbone-like guy. Not too up on my Canuck LHD. Sorry. But I agree. Podz is a good fit for Tampa.
Jun. 5, 2023 at 5:23 p.m.
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Tampa probably considers that if they are forced to trade Colton, but they'd want a cost controlled LHD instead of the pick. A Rathbone-like guy. Not too up on my Canuck LHD. Sorry. But I agree. Podz is a good fit for Tampa.


I would toss Rathbone into the deal if they wanted him. They just don't typically like smaller dmen.
Jun. 5, 2023 at 5:49 p.m.
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Tampa probably considers that if they are forced to trade Colton, but they'd want a cost controlled LHD instead of the pick. A Rathbone-like guy. Not too up on my Canuck LHD. Sorry. But I agree. Podz is a good fit for Tampa.


Rathbone isn't much of an upgrade over the young LHD Tampa already has in Syracuse in Carlile. Unless Tampa is getting an established actual NHL LD, I don't see them moving Colton.
Jun. 5, 2023 at 7:06 p.m.
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Rathbone isn't much of an upgrade over the young LHD Tampa already has in Syracuse in Carlile. Unless Tampa is getting an established actual NHL LD, I don't see them moving Colton.


Yeah. Didn't spend any time researching Canucks LHD. Agree Rathbone isn't that guy. Just used him as an example.
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