Lmao Leafs decline

Whoops didn’t see Roslovic retained…. Closer but still probably a no

Yes, I know your opinion of Laughton

Leafs take that all day, gives them laughton for the 2nd or 1st lw line and a 3C, and leaves them with 11.8 mill for 3RW, 4LW, and a RD preferably top 4 like Graves or Orlov

too generous to the leafs, Timmins and Robertson are probably worth a 3rd each or one of them is a throw in to take murray, so you only getting a late in the round 1st and an approx 3rd for laughton and roslovic witrh 2 mil retained.

That PHI defense is pretty meh and I doubt PHI sits on 16mil in cap space

Totally agree this is way too generous for the Leafs idc what the homer says that Laughton is worth nothing and Murray can be bought out, the guys says it on every post. Both the prospects are worth 3rds at best and Murray would take a 1st to move. So we are getting Laughton for two thirds basically and retaining on Roslovic, I don’t like that it feels too light to me

I'm not looking for Timmins to be a stud. If he can be a solid 2nd pair D man that's fine with me. Who knows, maybe he and Sanheim gel. Our D is going to be a mess as long as Ristolainen and Sanheim suck.

As for Robertson, we need some LW depth because we have NONE! The kid is 21 and has potential.

Detroit declines. We traded Bertuzzi for a 1st and a 4th. We're not paying twice as much for a replacement for him.

A team paid that for 2 months of Bertuzzi, you get 2 years at min of TK.

I would love for them to sit on that space and be a player for someone in the 24 off season - IF, they take another step forward next year AND their 1st round pick from '23 is a lock to be on the NHL squad. I see Foerster and Attard as guys who can certainly take the leap to be every day NHLers, and good ones at that. If Tippett, York, Frost, Cates can all reach another level and Coots comes back and is the player he used to be, or even 90%, I think people can see that this rebuild could only be a season.

Very optimistic but still, one can dream.

Funny you call him a homer while also saying it takes 1st to move Murray.

100% agree.

Then we draft say a Benson in this draft and maybe top RD next year and your year 3 (if this offseason is year 1) looks like this...

Farabee/Coots/Tippett
Frost/Gauthier/Foerster
Robertson/Cates/Zadina or Brink

York/2024 RD Draftee
Sanheim/Timmins
Andrae/Attard

We aren't far off.

Leafs accept

Agreed. It's funny how majority of these players were drafted by the two worst GM's (historically) in Flyers history. If they pan out, sort of like an Ed Wade situation with Howard, Hamels, Utley, etc. Remains to be seen if these guys get to that level, but the above lines look pretty solid to me.

And then, with all that cap space, you can start supplementing your roster with an elite talent in free agency and some other glue guys. I even think this could be the lineup in year 2 also, depending on the performance this year of course.

It does. That’s not being a Homer. It will take a 1st to move Murray’s contract if you don’t buy him out and if anyone thinks otherwise they are kidding themselves.

I even forgot to put Benson in that lineup..oops!

So then it Could be Frost/Benson/Robertson at LW and we can move Farabee if he doesn't take a step soon.

Can't see any team wanton give up a 1st and 2nd for Provorov, they can just spend 6.75m on UFA for two years. Konecky is kinda in the same position, teams can spend 5.5m on UFA...maybe not as good as Konecky but keep their picks.

I'm not sure how other Wings fans feel, but I'd honestly rather we do a deal like this for TK or Keller than the DeBrincat trades that show up every day for similar costs

Helping the Leafs? Et tu Dangles?

All nerdy jokes aside this is pretty solid.

Agree somewhat, problem is timmins has been judged by 2 (and maybe 3 if TOR move him) teams as too weak defensively, and while he could still be something, second pairing is too much of a stretch, and Attard is probably almost as good an option. Id like to say PHI lacks high end talent, (and health), but foerster, tippett, frost, farabee, koneckny, and a healthy Couturier and Atkinson is a pretty good top 6, but i dont see a late 1st, timmins, robertson as good bets for top end.

As for Robertson, he sure has some talent, but his size and fragility is a major concern and hes been a non factor offensively in the nhl, which is all he brings. Just not sure either has enough value for PHI to take those long shots as valauble enough to take murray (whos buy out is not good in 2024-25) and lose laughton, 2mil in cap space and roslovic. The avenues for toronto in regards to murray are very limited, and Id say a 3rd in 2023 or even a late round 2nd is probably his dumping value, but leafs dont have either. They got timmins for a song and robertson's value after 3 pro seasons is less than his draft position (late 2nd) at best. (Never mind that TOR shouldnt be moving any youth, misfit toys or not)

Ultimately the leafs are giving up a major headache, a late in the round 1st, and two sinking prospects for a guy who brings more than pts in every aspect (and even then on a team that couldnt score he put up 40+ pts). Laughton alone gets almost all of that toronto package, never mind roslovic with retention.

Its just too much of a favour to TOR, and one that doesn;t benefit PHI much, just more of what they have: alot of youngish middle 6, bottom 3 youth. Brink, Attard, Foertser, Zamula, Andrae are already in system and probably better chances than robertson or timmins

Agree, I think they lack an internal answer at RD and some of that cap space could address it. Attard should get that 3 RD this year, but Ristolinen is a solid 2 RD, which leaves UFA to be DeAngelo as the 1 RD. I'd look to move him, and theres lots of good RD options in UFA this year (Severson, Dumba, Klingberg, etc...). Between Provorov, Sanheim, York, Seeler, Zamula, and Andrae LD is looking good, and maybe a move is there.

Defense is more about pairings, and Provorov (since Niskanen left) could have a rebound with a solid partner (Severson or Dumba), and Sanheim had his best year with Risto, but York is too good for 3rd pairing, or go Provorov-York, Sanheim-Risto, Solid Vet/Seeler-Attard, Zamula/Seeler as 7th is a young defense that could be good, and Provorov with 1 yr left (and with retention maybe) gets a good package at 24-25 TDL if he doesnt fully rebound. But ultimately, Sanheim is getting the big payday and has never/is not a first pairing guy.

None of those D men you mentioned are top pairing D men, imo, and don't fit the timeline