This helps neither team

The sifference between Petey and Jack is definitely not 3 1sts, if anything, Pettersson might have the edge on him

Jack is better now, 3 years younger, and cheaper long term. over the course of the next 7 years, jack likely produces 1 mill a year (as a very low estimate) more value than pettersson, at a cost thats probably 3 mill a year cheaper. That's 28 mill in surplus value over the term of the contract. At least worth multiple 1sts.

Jack is better now, 3 years younger, and cheaper long term. over the course of the next 7 years, jack likely produces 1 mill a year (as a very low estimate) more value than pettersson, at a cost thats probably 3 mill a year cheaper. That's 28 mill in surplus value over the term of the contract. At least worth multiple 1sts.

Agree largely with this, however Jack absolutely is not better now.
Petey had more points than him last season on a MUCH worse team, whilst being by far the better defensive player.
Petey's arguably one of the best defensive centers in the league, so much so that he was in the Selke conversation. The only people who disagree are those who haven't watched him play.

I don’t think anybody is attaching multiple first round picks to a 100 point future Selke contender just to get 2 years younger and a couple extra points

This is horrible for Vancouver.unless Allvin thinks Luke Hughes is the next Niklas Lindstrom

The sifference between Petey and Jack is definitely not 3 1sts, if anything, Pettersson might have the edge on him

Meh. Depends on how much Pettersson wants contract wise. let's say he wants 11 mill (not out of the question). Thats 6 yearsx 3 mill more, that's worth a fair bit. I'd also say Hughes will be 1 mill a year more valuable than pettersson (and could be much more if hughes develops even further). 4 mill a year with more upside over 6 years I'd say is worth the 24 and 25 1sts.

Hronek+23 1st+Raty is STEEP for a prospect for sure, but could 100% end up being a bargain as Hughes could easily provide at least 20 mill in surplus value (or more) over his ELC+RFA years if he approaches his potential.

I think Pettersson is an 85 point guy, while I see hughes as a 100+ guy.

My friend the homer is coming out in you.

You make some valid points, but this one is entirely baseless. They're both 100+ guys.

Petey has been in the top 3 players for hitting the post/crossbar for the past 3 seasons.
Kuzmenko is the first consistent line mate Pettersson has had in his Canucks career, shooting at a reasonable percentage. In fact he centered 28 different even strength lines last season alone.
Almost unheard of for an elite player.

His 5 most common line mates last season were:

1. Andrei Kuzmenko
2. Anthony Beauvillier (First played in Feb 2023)
3. Ilya Mikheyev (Last played Jan 2023)
4. Brock Boeser
5. Lane Pederson (Lost to waivers Jan 2023)

To score over 100 points in an awful Canucks team, with those line mates, while also being by far the team's best penalty killer, is borderline incredible.

27% is not a reasonable shooting%. Nobody has shot that high of a % since 1990.

Also 67% of Petterssons assists have went to Kuzmenko, Miller, and Horvat. 3 guys who combined scored like 35 goals above expectation in their time in Vancouver this year.

He was never even a PPG guy before this, and the most clearly logical explanation is to look at the ridiculous shooting%s that padded his assist numbers.

I don't want to hear about Pettersson's penalty killing. He led the worst PK in hockey. (advanced metrics say he wasn't a positive on the PK)

Jack Hughes is 21, and very much on par with Pettersson right now (you can have a debate on who's better, which I have countless times with juiceman). He should only continue to improve. the pettersson contract will likely be significantly more expensive than the one hughes is on right now, and hughes will likely be better for most of it assuming the barely 22 year old continues to improve. How much surplus value is a 1st round pick worth? 12 mill each of surplus value (on a very rough estimation) per 1st seems reasonable considering cap dump prices.

And again I mentioned the Luke price as being quite steep, and very risky, but Luke Hughes with like 7 years of RFA+ELC control can absolutely provide more value than the other pieces will if he turns out.

Neither team accepts but the value is quite reasonable

The sifference between Petey and Jack is definitely not 3 1sts, if anything, Pettersson might have the edge on him

Kuzmenko is the first consistent line mate Pettersson has had in his Canucks career, shooting at a reasonable percentage..

Did you miss the other Hughes in there?