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Strictly Hart Trades

Created by: TheBigFlyera
Team: 2023-24 Philadelphia Flyers
Initial Creation Date: Jun. 6, 2023
Published: Jun. 6, 2023
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I think Hart goes to 1 of these 5 times and these are the returns I would want for Hart from each team. Not saying they will happen they are just what I WANT FROM THE DEAL. I don’t care about ur cap situation or any of that these are my WISH LISTS for Hart. I don’t care if it’s too much to ask for or if you don’t think Hart is any good, debate that with urself. This is just my ask for him and hopefully when he is traded I will be close on one of them.
Trades
1.
PHI
  1. Knies, Matthew
  2. 2023 1st round pick (BOS)
2.
PHI
  1. Bernard-Docker, Jacob [RFA Rights]
  2. 2024 1st round pick (OTT)
  3. 2024 2nd round pick (OTT)
OTT
    Hart
    3.
    PHI
    1. Kidney, Riley
    2. Mesar, Filip
    3. 2025 1st round pick (CGY)
    MTL
      Hart
      4.
      PHI
      1. Rosén, Isak
      2. 2023 1st round pick (BUF)
      BUF
        Hart
        5.
        PHI
        1. Bourgault, Xavier
        2. Savoie, Carter
        3. 2024 1st round pick (EDM)
        EDM
          Hart
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          2023
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          2024
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          21$83,500,000$64,997,263$1,187,500$857,500$18,502,737
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          $5,000,000$5,000,000
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          UFA - 5
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          $3,571,429$3,571,429
          C
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          $5,500,000$5,500,000
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          $3,000,000$3,000,000
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          UFA - 3
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          $836,667$836,667 (Performance Bonus$82,500$82K)
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          $1,500,000$1,500,000
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          UFA - 1
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          UFA - 3
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          $785,000$785,000
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          $925,000$925,000
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          $762,500$762,500
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          $925,000$925,000
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          RFA - 1
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          $918,333$918,333
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          RFA - 3
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          $894,167$894,167 (Performance Bonus$525,000$525K)
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          $925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$250,000$250K)
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          RFA - 2
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          $6,250,000$6,250,000
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          UFA - 8
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          $5,100,000$5,100,000
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          UFA - 4
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          $5,000,000$5,000,000
          G
          M-NTC
          UFA - 2
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          $2,650,000$2,650,000
          LD/RD
          UFA - 1
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          $1,675,000$1,675,000
          RD
          UFA - 1
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          $775,000$775,000
          LD/RD
          UFA - 1
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          $775,000$775,000
          G
          UFA - 1
          ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
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          $7,750,000$7,750,000
          C
          NMC
          UFA - 7
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          $6,250,000$6,250,000
          RD
          UFA - 4
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          $5,875,000$5,875,000
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          UFA - 2

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          Jun. 6, 2023 at 5:17 p.m.
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          Treliving's phone just wizzed past my head, jesus christ
          Jun. 6, 2023 at 5:17 p.m.
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          remove JBD and the first and OTT accept, as is it is a overpay
          Jun. 6, 2023 at 5:18 p.m.
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          Leafs pass. I would much rather stick with Sammy.
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          Jun. 6, 2023 at 5:18 p.m.
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          Quoting: athrin
          remove JBD and the first and OTT accept, as is it is a overpay


          Go comment somewhere else we already know u think Hart is worth nothing. If you think Danny got that haul today for Provy and then he will trade Hart for nothing then u need to find a new sport
          Jun. 6, 2023 at 5:19 p.m.
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          Quoting: TMLBRIAN
          Leafs pass. I would much rather stick with Sammy.


          That’s a totally fair reason, multiple reporters said Leaf’s were talking to Flyers about Hart and honestly I think this trade is the only valuable pieces Toronto has to offer Philly
          Jun. 6, 2023 at 5:22 p.m.
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          Habs arent giving up 3 pieces with 0 cap going the other way. Especially when they have 2 goalies already

          The most id give is 32nd, Mesar and a roster player with decent cap like Dvorak or Armia
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          Jun. 6, 2023 at 5:22 p.m.
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          Quoting: TheBigFlyera
          Go comment somewhere else we already know u think Hart is worth nothing. If you think Danny got that haul today for Provy and then he will trade Hart for nothing then u need to find a new sport


          if you think philly is going to get a first+++ for a G that has been below average the last 3 years you need to get off the booze and drugs.

          G are not worth the same as the other positions that is a fact.

          Briere might be able to find a fool of a GM to overpay for Hart but it will not be OTT or a GM that wants to keep his job
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          Jun. 6, 2023 at 5:25 p.m.
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          Quoting: athrin
          if you think philly is going to get a first+++ for a G that has been below average the last 3 years you need to get off the booze and drugs.

          G are not worth the same as the other positions that is a fact.

          Briere might be able to find a fool of a GM to overpay for Hart but it will not be OTT or a GM that wants to keep his job


          Hart statistically hasn’t been below average lol go away u don’t know what ur talking about. You just hurl insults instead of actually talking hockey
          Jun. 6, 2023 at 5:26 p.m.
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          Quoting: TheBigFlyera
          Go comment somewhere else we already know u think Hart is worth nothing. If you think Danny got that haul today for Provy and then he will trade Hart for nothing then u need to find a new sport


          Buddy guy has been posting awful troll comments all day, haven't read a good one from him yet.
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          Jun. 6, 2023 at 5:26 p.m.
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          Edmonton isn’t going to be interested. They really like Skinner and a tandem of Skinner and Hart doesn’t make sense and Philly wouldn’t be taking back Campbell either. - just because a player is from somewhere doesn’t mean it makes sense. Hart does not make any sense in Edmonton.

          Goalies also historically don’t get traded for that much. Hart has been league average to date in his career, and you aren’t selling him as a prospect with hype anymore. He wouldn’t get top prospects like Knies, Mesar, Rosen, or Bourgault. It just doesn’t happen and isn’t worth it. You’re likely looking at a mid 2nd round pick, B prospect or young roster player with medium upside, and maybe another smaller piece.

          Like Ottawa makes sense - but it’s be Bernard-Docker, 2024 2nd round pick, and conditional 4th round pick (or maybe a guy like Julien Gauthier if he’ gets qualified) for Hart.

          But none of these ideas make any remote sense for the other teams to consider Hart.
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          Jun. 6, 2023 at 5:27 p.m.
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          Quoting: JeffGorton
          Habs arent giving up 3 pieces with 0 cap going the other way. Especially when they have 2 goalies already

          The most id give is 32nd, Mesar and a roster player with decent cap like Dvorak or Armia


          That’s fair I just believe Harts gets more than that but we will see! I also don’t see Montreal as a real fit tbh. Think he ends up in OTT because they have a lot to offer, maybe TOR or EDM if they pull together a big package. Buffalo and Habs are on the outside looking in I think
          Jun. 6, 2023 at 5:27 p.m.
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          Quoting: Just_A_Guess
          Buddy guy has been posting awful troll comments all day, haven't read a good one from him yet.


          It’s one thing to say I’m overvaluing Hart, it’s another to say he is worthless
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          Jun. 6, 2023 at 5:28 p.m.
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          Quoting: GreatWhiteNorth
          Edmonton isn’t going to be interested. They really like Skinner and a tandem of Skinner and Hart doesn’t make sense and Philly wouldn’t be taking back Campbell either. - just because a player is from somewhere doesn’t mean it makes sense. Hart does not make any sense in Edmonton.

          Goalies also historically don’t get traded for that much. Hart has been league average to date in his career, and you aren’t selling him as a prospect with hype anymore. He wouldn’t get top prospects like Knies, Mesar, Rosen, or Bourgault. It just doesn’t happen and isn’t worth it. You’re likely looking at a mid 2nd round pick, B prospect or young roster player with medium upside, and maybe another smaller piece.

          Like Ottawa makes sense - but it’s be Bernard-Docker, 2024 2nd round pick, and conditional 4th round pick (or maybe a guy like Julien Gauthier if he’ gets qualified) for Hart.

          But none of these ideas make any remote sense for the other teams to consider Hart.


          We will agree to disagree then I guess. Flyers have no reason to trade Hart if the offer is that underwhelming and I don’t believe Danny would be engaging in talks as seriously as he seems to be if that’s all he expected to get
          Jun. 6, 2023 at 5:31 p.m.
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          Quoting: TheBigFlyera
          It’s one thing to say I’m overvaluing Hart, it’s another to say he is worthless


          Honestly I feel it's all the "groupthink" that goes on around this site, people hop on an opinion instead of actually thinking critically about anything.
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          Jun. 6, 2023 at 5:33 p.m.
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          You'll get Rosen or the first not both from the Sabres. Honestly you would have to take one of the goalies (not named Levi) that the Sabres have in order to make the deal work.
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          Jun. 6, 2023 at 5:33 p.m.
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          Quoting: TheBigFlyera
          We will agree to disagree then I guess. Flyers have no reason to trade Hart if the offer is that underwhelming and I don’t believe Danny would be engaging in talks as seriously as he seems to be if that’s all he expected to get


          No reason to trade him? They now have 4 goalies who could see NHL time and they’re clearly in a rebuild. When you rebuild you trade all the players who won’t be in your window when you’re looking at contending again, that’s Hart. Hart has also struggled mightily since being called up and has never been consistent, and hasn’t progressed like he should have.. there’s tons of reasons to move him actually.
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          Jun. 6, 2023 at 5:33 p.m.
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          Quoting: Untuxed
          You'll get Rosen or the first not both from the Sabres. Honestly you would have to take one of the goalies (not named Levi) that the Sabres have in order to make the deal work.


          Appreciate the insight
          Jun. 6, 2023 at 5:34 p.m.
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          Quoting: GreatWhiteNorth
          No reason to trade him? They now have 4 goalies who could see NHL time and they’re clearly in a rebuild. When you rebuild you trade all the players who won’t be in your window when you’re looking at contending again, that’s Hart. Hart has also struggled mightily since being called up and has never been consistent, and hasn’t progressed like he should have.. there’s tons of reasons to move him actually.


          There’s reasons but he’s young enough to go through the rebuild. Peterson can easily be buried in the AHL so Hart and Ersson can play, sorry but if those are the returns that u think, Hart won’t be moved.
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          Jun. 6, 2023 at 5:34 p.m.
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          Heart isn’t worth nothing, but he’s not worth what you think he is either. I would guess any of these trade scenarios will end up with about half as much as you think coming back to Philly. That is to say if you get a first round pick or top prospect for him that’s all you’re getting. His value has dropped in recent years, and that’s hard to argue.
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          Jun. 6, 2023 at 5:35 p.m.
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          Quoting: Tjm220
          Heart isn’t worth nothing, but he’s not worth what you think he is either. I would guess any of these trade scenarios will end up with about half as much as you think coming back to Philly. That is to say if you get a first round pick or top prospect for him that’s all you’re getting. His value has dropped in recent years, and that’s hard to argue.


          Then Flyers will just keep him. Btw it’s H-A-R-T
          Jun. 6, 2023 at 5:37 p.m.
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          Quoting: TheBigFlyera
          There’s reasons but he’s young enough to go through the rebuild. Peterson can easily be buried in the AHL so Hart and Ersson can play, sorry but if those are the returns that u think, Hart won’t be moved.


          https://twitter.com/TheFourthPeriod/status/1666143944382509057?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1666143944382509057%7Ctwgr%5E0e96c0fd168716fcfd46cbb0a4501a6805d22879%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.hockeypatrol.com%2FBREAKING-Flyers-Trade-Franchise-Cornerstone-Carter-Hart-243854
          Jun. 6, 2023 at 5:39 p.m.
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          Quoting: GreatWhiteNorth
          https://twitter.com/TheFourthPeriod/status/1666143944382509057?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1666143944382509057%7Ctwgr%5E0e96c0fd168716fcfd46cbb0a4501a6805d22879%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.hockeypatrol.com%2FBREAKING-Flyers-Trade-Franchise-Cornerstone-Carter-Hart-243854


          Which was then refuted by 8 different reporters lol. Everyone said the Flyers are working on a deal but nothing is expected to happen today or tomorrow. Hart will be moved but he will be moved because Danny gets an offer he likes and I doubt he moves him for an underwhelming deal like u think he will
          Jun. 6, 2023 at 5:42 p.m.
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          Which was then refuted by 8 different reporters lol. Everyone said the Flyers are working on a deal but nothing is expected to happen today or tomorrow. Hart will be moved but he will be moved because Danny gets an offer he likes and I doubt he moves him for an underwhelming deal like u think he will


          What value does a career .906sv% goalie have? … just because he’s “young” doesn’t mean anything. You’re a fan. You clearly like Hart, which is fine. But you’re selling him more on his name than his actual play and value. The prices that you have would get a team Connor Hellebuyck. Why would a team trade for Hart when they can have a sure fire all-star like Hellebuyck for the same price you’re saying?
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          Jun. 6, 2023 at 5:44 p.m.
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          Quoting: GreatWhiteNorth
          What value does a career .906sv% goalie have? … just because he’s “young” doesn’t mean anything. You’re a fan. You clearly like Hart, which is fine. But you’re selling him more on his name than his actual play and value. The prices that you have would get a team Connor Hellebuyck. Why would a team trade for Hart when they can have a sure fire all-star like Hellebuyck for the same price you’re saying?


          Cause Helle will be traded to a team and every other team will then need a goalie still lmao.
          Jun. 6, 2023 at 5:47 p.m.
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          I think if you switch JBD with Lassi Thomson in the OTT trade, sens accept
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