Need more puck moving we traded sandin

Nope, not even close to worth it for Chicago. The likelihood is that unless a top 10 prospect falls really far… whoever Chicago would pick with 14 is also there at 19.

Lily wasn’t the problem against FLA, he was the answer when they took out Holl.

just buyout Granlund no reason wasting assets when he’s a cheap buyout

Lol flyers decline

I'm open to taking on Granlund, but its clearly not going to be cheap considering the $11M dump of Cal Peterson. Clearly Granlund is a better player. So it would be that bad. But it'll probably shock PIT fans.

Preds don’t need another goalie

Canucks pass,NO cap.

Why buyout Carter? Just make him a warm body in the press box as the 14th forward.

Vegas easily keeps Barbashev at that contract

Petry is too expensive and old for PHI, and they would give you nothing for him and require more than a 2nd to take him

Hawks decline. The value in the pick swap alone favors the Pens to the value of like pick #40. Hawks would not trade pick #40 for Granny and Puustinen. Take out the Hawks 2nd to the Pens and the Hawks might consider it.

How though? I ask because as a Hawks fan I think there's a trading somewhere between the teams. $8.5M in cap space...$4 going to Barbashev. Howden, Hill's not going to be cheap anymore...unless you're going tbe Brossoit route.

Move Martinez and there’s more than enough to get the 4 guys (Hill, Barbashev, Dorofeyv, Howden)

Ok, that'll cost alot, but yeah. Can be done.

Huh? It’ll cost a lot to move Martinez? The guy that has 3 Stanley cups as experience, led the league in blocks and still can contribute while only on a one year deal? Sure it’s 5 million but someone will take him for future considerations if not a late pick

Dumbas traded 6 1st rounds picks in his 5 years with the Leafs. Probably why he went to Pitts, because he had none left to trade. I’m sure opposing GMs have already called dibs on Pittsburg’s 1st rounders for the next 7 years.

Dubas drafted Knies, Robertson, Minten, Hirvonen, Durzi. Now I will 100% agree that TOR fans tend to assume this group are all Hart Candidates the exact moment TOR drafts them so I don't want to ignore what you're saying because it is indeed trading back into the 2nd rounds vs drafting in the 1st, but in truth...that's not at all the worst group of 2nds out there. He's been able to find value in the 2nd pretty often.

Also, trading back to get value isn't the same as simply "trading away a 1st". Shedding Mrazek was a W. Trading back for Sandin vs Bokk was CLEARLY a W. Dubas was also cleaning up Lou's mistakes with Marleau giving him that full NMC.

Have you seen the video where he wants to trade the Knies pick but his scouts tell him not to. Dumbas asks, “Is he that good.” Basically sounds like he has never seen him play. Full credit to the Leafs scouting staff for finding players in the 2nd round that are now looked upon as 1st rounders. One can only imagine how they would have done if they had those SIX first rounders he squandered. From those 6 first rounders only Jake McCabe is currently signed and on the roster.

How was trading back for Sandin a win? They likely would have picked him with the original pick. Are you saying they would have picked Bokk? The extra pick they got in that deal has amounted to nothing. Hardly a win.

And stop with the Toronto fans assume Hart candidates crap. The fact is those picks were NOT used wisely. There was also no need to trade a 1st with Marleau. It had never been done before. He set a precedent when he could have gone over the cap by 10% during the summer.

I have NOT seen that video. If you have it, I'd love to see it.

You only say that because the pick didn't work out. He created value out of literally nothing because I agree with you, they would have drafted Sandin.

I agree the 1st for Foligno was stupid. He half A$$ed that trade. I agree. It was bad. I don't think that ROR trade was bad. TBD on the McCabe/Lafferty. Getting NHLers on top of Free Cap Space for (2) more years is HUGE. Look no further than what LAK just gave up for $1.8M in cap space. Marleau was Lou's creation. I don't blame Dubas for cleaning up previous GMs mistakes. That FullNMC was the single/only reason it cost that much.

But also, let's not forget something we haven't yet talked about. Dubas went out and got 1sts too. Trading KK for a 1st! Come on now! AND Amirov is not Dubas' fault. Come on, let's at least agree that Dubas didn't create that issue. We'll see what happens with the BOS 1st. We don't have a crystal ball.

I believe it’s in the Maple Leaf Blueprint series. Try this episode.

Leafs Blueprint

The video also talks about how they traded for McCann so they wouldn’t lose Kerfoot. I am the biggest Kerfoot hater out here. If your team is so soft, don’t blame Matthews or Marner — getting rid of guys like Kerfoot who is Charmin soft and tiny is an easy fix.

Moving down a few spots to select Sandin didn’t move the needle. Was it a good pick — yes, it was a great pick — but the additional pick did nothing, so I’m not sure how it’s a “huge win?” That said why did he trade Sandin? That kids is going to be a star. Dumb trade.

The only problem I had with the ROR trade was that he was really struggling all year. It was a risk. ROR was better than I thought he would be. Problem now is they can’t afford to keep him.

Foligno 1st, 4th, 4th, Ritich 3rd, Hutton 5th, Nash 7th — that’s near an entire draft for one guy that played 4th line center in game 7 and had 1 assist in 4 playoff games. I’m not going to comment on how short sighted that was at the time and even worse looking back. He traded for quantity, had he packaged all those picks together he could have gotten something special.

Dubas was the assistant GM when Marleau was signed. AGM do deal with contracts. That said the issue wasn’t as much the contract as it was how he got rid of it. Nobody ever paid a 1st to get rid of 1 year until Dubas did it.

Yeah he got a first, let’s hope that player is half as good as Sandin. Those are the deals you make with firsts — get a young established player and remove the chance from the pick — someone that will be with your team for years. Not trading firsts for UFAs or to dump contracts.