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TBL offseason moves w Nj trade that makes sense for Tampa

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Team: 2023-24 Tampa Bay Lightning
Initial Creation Date: Jun. 11, 2023
Published: Jun. 11, 2023
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Tampa keeps Killorn and moves Colton in a trade that actually makes sense for Tampa. Tampa is not interested in Shrangovich+3rd or 4th, as it makes no sense for Tampa.
Free Agent Signings
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1$800,000
1$800,000
1$800,000
2$1,000,000
2$1,500,000
2$1,700,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
1$900,000
7$3,500,000
Trades
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TBL
  1. Bahl, Kevin [RFA Rights]
  2. Boqvist, Jesper [RFA Rights]
NJD
  1. Colton, Ross [RFA Rights]
  2. Fleury, Haydn
  3. 2025 4th round pick (TBL)
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TBL
    Future considerations, any team works here.
    ARI
    1. Myers, Philippe
    2. 2023 7th round pick (TBL)
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    2024
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    2025
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    21$83,500,000$83,282,500$0$80,000$217,500
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    $1,500,000$1,500,000
    LW
    UFA - 1
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    $9,500,000$9,500,000
    C, RW
    NMC
    UFA - 7
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    $9,500,000$9,500,000
    RW
    NMC
    UFA - 4
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    $8,500,000$8,500,000
    LW, C
    NMC
    UFA - 1
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    $6,250,000$6,250,000
    C, LW
    UFA - 8
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    $3,500,000$3,500,000
    RW, LW
    UFA - 4
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    $1,500,000$1,500,000
    RW, LW
    UFA - 2
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    $3,150,000$3,150,000
    C, LW
    NTC
    UFA - 6
    $1,700,000$1,700,000
    C, LW
    RFA - 1
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    $800,000$800,000
    LW, RW
    M-NTC
    UFA - 1
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    $800,000$800,000
    RW, C
    UFA - 2
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    $870,000$870,000 (Performance Bonus$80,000$80K)
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    RD
    UFA - 2
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    $9,500,000$9,500,000
    G
    NMC
    UFA - 5
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    $8,500,000$8,500,000
    LD/RD
    UFA - 8
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    RD
    UFA - 8
    $900,000$900,000
    G
    UFA - 1
    $1,000,000$1,000,000
    LD
    RFA - 2
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    $762,500$762,500
    RD
    UFA - 1
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    RD
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    Jun. 11, 2023 at 4:05 p.m.
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    We get it, you want Bahl. You're not getting him.
    Jun. 11, 2023 at 4:08 p.m.
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    Quoting: pretzelcoatl
    We get it, you want Bahl. You're not getting him.


    We get it, 99% of N.J. fans on here think you're getting Colton for Sharangovich+4th, you're not getting it.
    Jun. 11, 2023 at 4:12 p.m.
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    Devils lost Severson, will probably lose Graves. Losing Bahl would be too much turnover.

    I love that Colton is open about his Devils fandom…but I don’t think a trade for him fits at this time.
    Jun. 11, 2023 at 4:16 p.m.
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    Quoting: NHLfan10506
    Devils lost Severson, will probably lose Graves. Losing Bahl would be too much turnover.

    I love that Colton is open about his Devils fandom…but I don’t think a trade for him fits at this time.


    Tbh, neither do I, but if Tampa was going to move him and N.J. wanted him, that would be the probable cost. Tampa sends back a weaker LD and a pick in this proposal, and N.J. gets a F that is more top 6 than middle or bottom 6.
    Jun. 11, 2023 at 4:16 p.m.
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    Quoting: JTBF81
    We get it, 99% of N.J. fans on here think you're getting Colton for Sharangovich+4th, you're not getting it.


    Great, Colton isn't that good anyway
    Jun. 11, 2023 at 4:39 p.m.
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    Quoting: pretzelcoatl
    Great, Colton isn't that good anyway


    Lol, from.someone who probably watches him 2 or 3 games a year and then watches a stat sheet. When NJ fans want to keep posting garbage offers, Tampa fans will keep posting realistic ones.
    Jun. 11, 2023 at 4:53 p.m.
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    Lol, from.someone who probably watches him 2 or 3 games a year and then watches a stat sheet. When NJ fans want to keep posting garbage offers, Tampa fans will keep posting realistic ones.


    Because there’s no way anyone can see how a player performs and impacts the game without watching every single one of their games
    Jun. 11, 2023 at 4:54 p.m.
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    Quoting: JTBF81
    Lol, from.someone who probably watches him 2 or 3 games a year and then watches a stat sheet. When NJ fans want to keep posting garbage offers, Tampa fans will keep posting realistic ones.


    Realistic means not Bahl. Colton is good but brings nothing that the Devils don't already have.
    Jun. 11, 2023 at 5:10 p.m.
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    Quoting: pretzelcoatl
    Realistic means not Bahl. Colton is good but brings nothing that the Devils don't already have.


    Cool, and when I stop seeing offers 3x a day from N.J. fans thinking realistic is Sharangovich+4th, maybe Tampa fans will stop posting realistic offers that start with Bahl.
    Jun. 11, 2023 at 5:12 p.m.
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    Because there’s no way anyone can see how a player performs and impacts the game without watching every single one of their games


    When you want to post on someone's thread with nothing worthwhile and then because you simply don't like a trade then call a player bad, you get what you get, thanks for playing.
    Jun. 11, 2023 at 5:52 p.m.
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    Quoting: JTBF81
    When you want to post on someone's thread with nothing worthwhile and then because you simply don't like a trade then call a player bad, you get what you get, thanks for playing.


    He isn’t wrong though. Could just grab a better player like Nick Bjustadt in UFA for the same term but with a million in cap savings, per Evolving Wild’s contract projections.
    Jun. 11, 2023 at 7:04 p.m.
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    Quoting: Tbrew
    He isn’t wrong though. Could just grab a better player like Nick Bjustadt in UFA for the same term but with a million in cap savings, per Evolving Wild’s contract projections.


    Thinking Nick Bjugstad is a better player than Ross Colton....yeah we're done here.
    Jun. 11, 2023 at 7:17 p.m.
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    Quoting: JTBF81
    Thinking Nick Bjugstad is a better player than Ross Colton....yeah we're done here.


    They’re both mid. Bjugstad scored more goals and has a 1.8 GAR vs Colton’s 0.9. That’s good for 430th in the NHL vs 509th, and one goal difference vs Colton scoring more total points. But one would be cheaper and wouldn’t cost anything to acquire. Point is Colton isn’t special. He’s replaceable, and there are several Coltons out there
    Jun. 11, 2023 at 7:32 p.m.
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    They’re both mid. Bjugstad scored more goals and has a 1.8 GAR vs Colton’s 0.9. That’s good for 430th in the NHL vs 509th, and one goal difference vs Colton scoring more total points. But one would be cheaper and wouldn’t cost anything to acquire. Point is Colton isn’t special. He’s replaceable, and there are several Coltons out there


    Bjugstad is a good 4th liner now on a good team, while Colton is a player with a top 6 role coming. Maybe if this was Bjugstad from 7 years ago there would be an argument, but they're nowhere close now. Most who didnt watch Tampa thought JAM and Verharghe were nothing special either when they had 3rd or 4th line roles with Tampa, so it's not surprising how most view Colton on here.
    Jun. 11, 2023 at 8:07 p.m.
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    Bjugstad is a good 4th liner now on a good team, while Colton is a player with a top 6 role coming. Maybe if this was Bjugstad from 7 years ago there would be an argument, but they're nowhere close now. Most who didnt watch Tampa thought JAM and Verharghe were nothing special either when they had 3rd or 4th line roles with Tampa, so it's not surprising how most view Colton on here.


    That’s not true though about Marchessault or Verharghe. They had analytics that backed up the kind of players they would become their last years in tampa.

    If this is Colton’s last year this is each player’s GAR and xGAR for the year before they left TBL.

    Colton
    GAR 0.9
    xGAR 1.4

    JAM
    GAR 4.1
    xGAR 6.8

    V
    GAR 2.5
    xGAR 7.5

    It’s worth noting that Colton had a down year based off of sheer GAR (3.2 and 6.3 in the previous 2 years respectively), but I don’t know how much weight to give their since his supporting cast of forwards was noticeably better in those after looking at his linemates
    Jun. 11, 2023 at 8:55 p.m.
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    That’s not true though about Marchessault or Verharghe. They had analytics that backed up the kind of players they would become their last years in tampa.

    If this is Colton’s last year this is each player’s GAR and xGAR for the year before they left TBL.

    Colton
    GAR 0.9
    xGAR 1.4

    JAM
    GAR 4.1
    xGAR 6.8

    V
    GAR 2.5
    xGAR 7.5

    It’s worth noting that Colton had a down year based off of sheer GAR (3.2 and 6.3 in the previous 2 years respectively), but I don’t know how much weight to give their since his supporting cast of forwards was noticeably better in those after looking at his linemates


    There's alot more than looking at some charts. Anyone who watches him regularly in Tampa knows he has the tools to be a top 6, ~30 goal, 60 point type player. Very few thought either JAM or Verhaegje had much valje either. He's better than Bjugstad and the key is that Tampa isn't trading him for the scrap offers most on here are putting out there. Tampa either gets significant value and need for him, or they're perfectly happy keeping him in a top 6 role for 6-8 years. Sharangivich is nothing special and had a bad year, and he won't be someone Tampa is interested in.
    Jun. 12, 2023 at 12:11 a.m.
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    There's alot more than looking at some charts. Anyone who watches him regularly in Tampa knows he has the tools to be a top 6, ~30 goal, 60 point type player. Very few thought either JAM or Verhaegje had much valje either. He's better than Bjugstad and the key is that Tampa isn't trading him for the scrap offers most on here are putting out there. Tampa either gets significant value and need for him, or they're perfectly happy keeping him in a top 6 role for 6-8 years. Sharangivich is nothing special and had a bad year, and he won't be someone Tampa is interested in.


    My point is more so that the analytics were probably in more favor of JAM and V that their rise was unexpected to those who looked at their advanced stats, and both never had as down of a year as Ross Colton did in Tampa this year before exploding onto the scene, from the analytics side. Counting stats obviously show Colton as an almost exclusively 30 point player too, so this top 6 potential seems like a reach
    Jun. 12, 2023 at 1:16 a.m.
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    My point is more so that the analytics were probably in more favor of JAM and V that their rise was unexpected to those who looked at their advanced stats, and both never had as down of a year as Ross Colton did in Tampa this year before exploding onto the scene, from the analytics side. Counting stats obviously show Colton as an almost exclusively 30 point player too, so this top 6 potential seems like a reach


    The last seasons JAM and Verhaeghe played in Tampa, both in bottom 6 roles, they each were pacing for 33 points per 82 games. JAM was on pace for 13 goals, Verhaeghe 14. Colton has had 39 points and 20 goals, then 32 points and 16 goals, but yes, those other two had such great years the year before they left Tampa....Colton is not a "reach" to be a successful top 6 player. Again, Tampa won't be trading him for garbage offers. If Bahl isn't available, there will be plenty of teams willing to meet Tampa's ask.
    Jun. 12, 2023 at 7:45 a.m.
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    Quoting: JTBF81
    The last seasons JAM and Verhaeghe played in Tampa, both in bottom 6 roles, they each were pacing for 33 points per 82 games. JAM was on pace for 13 goals, Verhaeghe 14. Colton has had 39 points and 20 goals, then 32 points and 16 goals, but yes, those other two had such great years the year before they left Tampa....Colton is not a "reach" to be a successful top 6 player. Again, Tampa won't be trading him for garbage offers. If Bahl isn't available, there will be plenty of teams willing to meet Tampa's ask.


    Point is more so that the comps to JAM and V aren’t justified from an analytics side, which knew they were way better than the average bottom 6 player. There’s nothing in the last season to suggest the same from Ross Colton.

    There’s also the matter of age. March didn’t play a ton in his 24 season, but his 25 season with TB had great impacts
    Colton has had a noticeably weaker age 24 season in Tampa than Verhaeghe had
    Jun. 12, 2023 at 11:28 a.m.
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    Quoting: Tbrew
    Point is more so that the comps to JAM and V aren’t justified from an analytics side, which knew they were
    Quoting: Tbrew
    Point is more so that the comps to JAM and V aren’t justified from an analytics side, which knew they were way better than the average bottom 6 player. There’s nothing in the last season to suggest the same from Ross Colton.

    There’s also the matter of age. March didn’t play a ton in his 24 season, but his 25 season with TB had great impacts
    Colton has had a noticeably weaker age 24 season in Tampa than Verhaeghe had[

    Most of what you said was incorrect, and you can spout all the fancy advanced stats you'd like, butbthankfully,.most dont use thatnasnthe dereenining factor in a real trade. JAM had no "great impact" in his last season with Tampa, and oh yes, Colton had a "much weaker" age 24 season than Verhaeghe...Colton, 30 GP, 3 goals, 9 assists, 12 points, Verhaeghe, 52 games played, 4 goals, 9 assists, 13 points. Colton was on pace for 33 points and 8 goals, Verhaeghe, on pace for 21 points and 6 whole goals. Colton has just as much potential and capability to thrive in a top 6 role as either of those two, if he is given the chance. Anyone who actually watches him most of the season and has seen what he has done given his linemates and minimal powerplay time can see that and doesn't need to consult any charts to base an evaluation. Again, in the unlikely event he is traded, it will be for impact players that help Tampa now and work with the cap. Sharangovich is not that player, Bahl+Boqvust or a good F prospect are. Tampa isn't giving him away or accepting offers that make no sense for them, which is all I see from N.J posters on here.
    Jun. 14, 2023 at 1:58 a.m.
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    Quoting: pretzelcoatl
    Realistic means not Bahl. Colton is good but brings nothing that the Devils don't already have.

    Lol he brings winning, you guys need it. Just kidding if palat can’t help nobody can.
    Jun. 14, 2023 at 3:36 p.m.
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    Lol he brings winning, you guys need it. Just kidding if palat can’t help nobody can.


    Bold coming from a fan of the team that broke Toronto's first round curse
    Jun. 16, 2023 at 5:59 p.m.
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    Quoting: pretzelcoatl
    Bold coming from a fan of the team that broke Toronto's first round curse


    Sadly I do not know a comeback that would be relevant to the devils as they are simply… irrelevant.
    Jun. 16, 2023 at 6:10 p.m.
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    Sadly I do not know a comeback that would be relevant to the devils as they are simply… irrelevant.


    Third in the league is irrelevant?
    Jun. 16, 2023 at 11:32 p.m.
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    Third in the league is irrelevant?

    Mmmmm what’d you guys do with it
     
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