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Team: 2023-24 Edmonton Oilers
Initial Creation Date: Jun. 13, 2023
Published: Jun. 13, 2023
Salary Cap Mode: Basic
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
2$3,250,000
1$1,100,000
1$950,000
2$1,750,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
1$775,000
2$775,000
1$800,000
Trades
1.
EDM
  1. Konecny, Travis ($2,750,000 retained)
  2. Laughton, Scott
PHI
  1. Bourgault, Xavier
  2. Broberg, Philip
  3. Yamamoto, Kailer
  4. 2023 2nd round pick (EDM)
  5. 2024 1st round pick (EDM)
2.
EDM
  1. 2023 4th round pick (FLA)
3.
EDM
  1. DeMelo, Dylan ($1,000,000 retained)
WPG
  1. Ceci, Cody
  2. Tullio, Tyler
  3. 2023 4th round pick (FLA)
  4. 2024 2nd round pick (EDM)
  5. 2024 6th round pick (NSH)
Buyouts
DraftRound 1Round 2Round 3Round 4Round 5Round 6Round 7
2023
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2024
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2025
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ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
21$83,500,000$83,179,167$850,000$650,000$320,833
Left WingCentreRight Wing
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$3,000,000$3,000,000
C, LW
UFA - 3
Logo of the Edmonton Oilers
$12,500,000$12,500,000
C
NMC
UFA - 3
Logo of the Philadelphia Flyers
$2,750,000$2,750,000
RW, LW
UFA - 2
Logo of the Edmonton Oilers
$925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$650,000$650K)
LW, C
RFA - 1
Logo of the Edmonton Oilers
$8,500,000$8,500,000
C, LW
M-NTC, NMC
UFA - 2
Logo of the Edmonton Oilers
$5,125,000$5,125,000
LW, RW
NMC
UFA - 3
Logo of the Edmonton Oilers
$5,125,000$5,125,000
LW, C
NMC
UFA - 6
Logo of the Edmonton Oilers
$1,750,000$1,750,000
C
RFA - 2
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$5,500,000$5,500,000
RW, LW
NMC
UFA - 5
Logo of the Edmonton Oilers
$1,100,000$1,100,000
LW, RW
RFA - 2
Logo of the Edmonton Oilers
$775,000$775,000
C, RW
UFA - 2
Logo of the Edmonton Oilers
$950,000$950,000
RW, C
RFA - 1
$800,000$800,000
C, LW
UFA
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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$6,000,000$6,000,000
LD/RD
UFA - 3
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$3,250,000$3,250,000
RD
RFA - 2
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$2,600,000$2,600,000
G
UFA - 3
Logo of the Edmonton Oilers
$9,250,000$9,250,000
LD
NMC
UFA - 7
Logo of the Winnipeg Jets
$2,000,000$2,000,000
RD
M-NTC
UFA - 1
Logo of the Edmonton Oilers
$5,000,000$5,000,000
G
M-NTC
UFA - 4
Logo of the Edmonton Oilers
$2,750,000$2,750,000
LD/RD
UFA - 3
Logo of the Edmonton Oilers
$762,500$762,500
RD
UFA - 1

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Jun. 13, 2023 at 2:31 p.m.
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That Philly trade is crazy
Jun. 13, 2023 at 2:38 p.m.
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Big overpay for DeMelo IMO
Jun. 13, 2023 at 2:42 p.m.
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Quoting: OilednGreasy
Big overpay for DeMelo IMO


And FOEGELE vs LAUGHTON
Jun. 13, 2023 at 3:05 p.m.
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Quoting: OilednGreasy


This is a really hard argument to make, and I'm only really jumping on it because I want yourself and others to recognize that there can be more to the game of hockey than just direct scoring metrics.

You are 1000% correct to point out that Foegele scores at a higher per sixty than Laughton. If we tab over to the on-ice stats as opposed to the individual metrics, we can even see that Foegele's shot share clips about 6% better than Laughton's. No small matter. But usage of the two players points to a clearer picture.

Foegele gets much softer usage and sees a lot more offensive zone time than Laughton does. Laughton also finds about 2 more minutes per night of 5v5 icetime and on average SIX more minutes of icetime per game total. This will skew shot metrics. Laughton is also a center and a staple of the Flyers' PK. Foegele doesn't see more than garbage time on the PK as a complimentary winger to one of Edmonton's big pivots in those dying seconds of the penalty kill. Edmonton shelters Foegele when they can, likely in part due to his streakiness. Laughton gets the lunchpail minutes against other teams' top six.

Utility is always important to remember in these contexts. You weren't wrong, but weren't considering the entire picture.

Personally, if you want to point out a player on the Oilers' roster that would shun any Laughton acquisition, look no further than McLeod. Younger, cheaper, and is actively developing into that exact playertype. It was Laughton's fourth full season (d+8 season) when he broke out into being the two-way stalwart this community recognizes him as. McLeod's trajectory suggests he could be there as early as next season (d+6).
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Jun. 13, 2023 at 3:21 p.m.
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Quoting: BeterChiarelli
This is a really hard argument to make, and I'm only really jumping on it because I want yourself and others to recognize that there can be more to the game of hockey than just direct scoring metrics.

You are 1000% correct to point out that Foegele scores at a higher per sixty than Laughton. If we tab over to the on-ice stats as opposed to the individual metrics, we can even see that Foegele's shot share clips about 6% better than Laughton's. No small matter. But usage of the two players points to a clearer picture.

Foegele gets much softer usage and sees a lot more offensive zone time than Laughton does. Laughton also finds about 2 more minutes per night of 5v5 icetime and on average SIX more minutes of icetime per game total. This will skew shot metrics. Laughton is also a center and a staple of the Flyers' PK. Foegele doesn't see more than garbage time on the PK as a complimentary winger to one of Edmonton's big pivots in those dying seconds of the penalty kill. Edmonton shelters Foegele when they can, likely in part due to his streakiness. Laughton gets the lunchpail minutes against other teams' top six.

Utility is always important to remember in these contexts. You weren't wrong, but weren't considering the entire picture.

Personally, if you want to point out a player on the Oilers' roster that would shun any Laughton acquisition, look no further than McLeod. Younger, cheaper, and is actively developing into that exact playertype. It was Laughton's fourth full season (d+8 season) when he broke out into being the two-way stalwart this community recognizes him as. McLeod's trajectory suggests he could be there as early as next season (d+6).


You mean like this Foegele vs Laughton, Foegele Competition , Laughton Competition
Jun. 13, 2023 at 3:28 p.m.
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Flyers decline, need to add another 1st for Laughton.
Trade break out:
TK for 1st, Brob, Bourg
Laughton for Yammo, 1st
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Jun. 13, 2023 at 3:32 p.m.
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Quoting: OilednGreasy


I mean essentially, but be willing to broaden the data from NST to include special teams. Yes, the majority of the game is played at evens, but teams pay actual value for penalty killing players.

I think the PuckIQ stuff kind of emphasizes my point: Laughton gets harder minutes and plays a more valuable position. I would suspect his being a Flyer skews his numbers poorly, to what degree I haven't a clue, but the overarching point remains the same. It's not exactly an even comparison as the two are wholistically different players. One is proclaimed to be a shutdown centerman, the other a power forward.
Jun. 13, 2023 at 3:34 p.m.
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Flyers decline, need to add another 1st for Laughton.
Trade break out:
TK for 1st, Brob, Bourg
Laughton for Yammo, 1st


I know I realized after I posted it that it made basically no sense because oilers got Laughton for practically nothing lol
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Jun. 13, 2023 at 3:35 p.m.
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Quoting: gary_gobbler
I know I realized after I posted it that it made basically no sense because oilers got Laughton for practically nothing lol


All good, you can always edit ur teams for future reference so people don’t comment the same thing over and over lol
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Jun. 13, 2023 at 3:41 p.m.
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Quoting: BeterChiarelli
I mean essentially, but be willing to broaden the data from NST to include special teams. Yes, the majority of the game is played at evens, but teams pay actual value for penalty killing players.

I think the PuckIQ stuff kind of emphasizes my point: Laughton gets harder minutes and plays a more valuable position. I would suspect his being a Flyer skews his numbers poorly, to what degree I haven't a clue, but the overarching point remains the same. It's not exactly an even comparison as the two are wholistically different players. One is proclaimed to be a shutdown centerman, the other a power forward.


Is Laughton playing that position in this ACGM, is he overpaid if playing the position he's best suited for, and is getting a 4th for Foegele to potentially overpay Laughton a good way to go?
Jun. 13, 2023 at 3:50 p.m.
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Quoting: OilednGreasy
Is Laughton playing that position in this ACGM, is he overpaid if playing the position he's best suited for, and is getting a 4th for Foegele to potentially overpay Laughton a good way to go?


Perhaps it would serve me best to look at the roster prior to joining in on the discussions. My apologies. Is there precedent to having him top line? As far as I can tell he never played higher than second line this past season.

When Laughton comes to mind, especially in the context of the Edmonton Oilers adding him, it's to be a shutdown third line center. I would have actually expected McLeod to migrate to Draisaitl's left wing in this example (Hyman to the RW) given the strong numbers that trio has shown in small samples.

If any team takes Foegele for a fourth, you take it. My expectation is a fifth round pick at best, most likely a sixth. Edmonton's cap situation has them by the balls.
Jun. 13, 2023 at 4:03 p.m.
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Quoting: BeterChiarelli
Perhaps it would serve me best to look at the roster prior to joining in on the discussions. My apologies. Is there precedent to having him top line? As far as I can tell he never played higher than second line this past season.

When Laughton comes to mind, especially in the context of the Edmonton Oilers adding him, it's to be a shutdown third line center. I would have actually expected McLeod to migrate to Draisaitl's left wing in this example (Hyman to the RW) given the strong numbers that trio has shown in small samples.

If any team takes Foegele for a fourth, you take it. My expectation is a fifth round pick at best, most likely a sixth. Edmonton's cap situation has them by the balls.


We very much disagree on Foegele. That's a player that helped save the Oilers season while Kane and Yamamoto were injured and produced like a top 6 winger while his most common linemates were McLeod-Puljujarvi last season making 2.75 mill. Suggesting he's worth a 6th his fighting words with me
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Quoting: OilednGreasy
We very much disagree on Foegele. That's a player that helped save the Oilers season while Kane and Yamamoto were injured and produced like a top 6 winger while his most common linemates were McLeod-Puljujarvi last season making 2.75 mill. Suggesting he's worth a 6th his fighting words with me


Oh, I think his value is much closer to a third. The problem is other teams aren't apt to do Edmonton a favour.

If there was an option to keep him this offseason I'd take it. I want to see what a Kane-McLeod-Foegele line does with a larger sample.
Jun. 13, 2023 at 4:13 p.m.
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Oh, I think his value is much closer to a third. The problem is other teams aren't apt to do Edmonton a favour.

If there was an option to keep him this offseason I'd take it. I want to see what a Kane-McLeod-Foegele line does with a larger sample.


When did those 3 play together?
Jun. 13, 2023 at 4:17 p.m.
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When did those 3 play together?


NST has them at 8 minutes and change. Looks like it was from one game but they ran house. McLeod pairs really well with both Kane and Foegele individually so the logic follows that the trio should be gas.
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Jun. 13, 2023 at 4:43 p.m.
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Quoting: BeterChiarelli
NST has them at 8 minutes and change. Looks like it was from one game but they ran house. McLeod pairs really well with both Kane and Foegele individually so the logic follows that the trio should be gas.


I think Foegele should be in the top 6 next season in whatever combination. He'll be playing for his next contract.
Jun. 13, 2023 at 4:44 p.m.
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Quoting: BeterChiarelli
NST has them at 8 minutes and change. Looks like it was from one game but they ran house. McLeod pairs really well with both Kane and Foegele individually so the logic follows that the trio should be gas.


Foegele-Mcdavid-Hyman is interesting too
Jun. 13, 2023 at 4:53 p.m.
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Quoting: gary_gobbler
I know I realized after I posted it that it made basically no sense because oilers got Laughton for practically nothing lol


You were good. They aint worth more than that
 
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