Klostin is pointless for the Flyers. It's going to cost three pieces to get TK:

2023 first (If the Oilers can trade for one in a 3 team deal)
2024 first
Broberg
Bouragault
Holloway

Any 3 of those pieces gets it done, otherwise no dice.

nah that's an overpay

Yup otherwise they easily trade him elsewhere

Sharks hang up the phone! Your paying a 1st plus to dump Campbell what a bad signing

according to philly fans they seem no everything but they don't lol. so that should be a fine trade for philly.
I'm not sure if panthers do that
yotes take that
your dumbing campbell so it's gonna take at least a first or 2 seconds or a good prospect and a 5th pick
WILD WILL HANG UP

Nope. 24 year old 30 goal/PPG wingers on reasonable contracts don't grow on trees. Bourgault and Holloway are being overrated by Oilers fans because their prospect pool is junk. They wouldn't even be top 5 prospects in the Flyers system after they draft at 7. Furthermore the Flyers aren't the ones shopping TK, supposedly Edmonton is calling about him. The Flyers don't have to trade TK unless someone pays a premium. Next.......

you guys act like he's worth more then marner

But not for that ask! And you’re not getting 2 1sts for Hart.
Just like the sharks aren’t getting 3 1sts for Karlsson only 18% retained.

if you think that, then I guess marner for mcdavid is a good trade

very true

Didn’t remember asking you lol

1 30 goal season does not make him a 30 goal guy, he needs 2-3 30 goal seasons to get that title. And is he a 30 goal guy or the 11 or 16 goal guy from the previous 2 seasons???? There is that concern with him?

Ur a Leafs fan I couldn’t care less about ur opinion if I tried

Don’t bother all of them just comment with doing any research it’s useless

damn somebody is upset lol

Oilers fans are overrating their prospects and picks because their prospect pool is below average and they currently don't have a 2023 first.

Gautheir
Number 7 overall pick
York
Foerster
Number 22 pick

Those are currently the Flyers top 5 prospects. Broberg would slide into the 3rd or 4th spot either just above or below York. Bourgault or Holloway wouldn't even be top 5 after the Flyers pick someone at 22 and would be 7th at best if Broberg were included in the deal.

People also don't seem to understand the difference between a team actively shopping someone and other teams calling trying to get them. If a team like the Oilers wants a TK who the Flyers would trade but also would gladly keep they have to pay a premium and make it worth their while. Detroit fans here have already said they would give up 17, 43, and Zadina for TK which is quite simply a better offer than a 2024 first, Broberg, and Bourgault.

Not upset at all I know what we will get for our players, nothing to be upset about. It’s actually comical seeing Leafs fans upset about how all of our players are too expensive for their mid prospects

Well I gots to jump in and give my 2 cents. I’m so very smarter and persons need to here me! Lol

That is one of the dumbest things I have ever heard. So according to "Rob32sjsharks" a 30 goal scorer isn't a 30 goal scorer unless he's a multi-time 30 goal scorer. Let me break it down really simply for you. A guy who scores 30 goals is a 30 goal scorer, especially one who did it in 60 games. A guy who scores 30 goals 2-3 times is a multi-time 30 goal scorer. This is literally factual information.

As for the rest of your points which fail to include any context or the other things you left out which don't suit your narrative.

TK was 25 when the season start and he wouldn't be the first or last player to have his breakout season in his mid 20's. Not even close in fact as most guys take a few years to get that point. Second he had a bad season in 21-22 and yet he still managed 52 points. The year prior where he had 11 goals was in a 50 game covid shortened season which you just happened to leave out of the equation. You also left out that the three years prior while in his early 20's he had three straight 24 goal seasons/45+ point seasons including 24 goals and 61 points in 66 games in 19-20.

So if we want to take the entire picture into consideration and not just cherry pick what suits the narrative. TK is a 30 goal scorer. TK has several 24 goal seasons in his early 20's. TK was a first round pick so there is pedigree and upside to think that his last season was indicative of where he will be moving forward, and he is just entering his prime having turned 26 in the spring so his best f ew years are yet to come.

In case you are wondering, yes I did just drop a mic.

I'll take "apples to oranges" for 2,000 Alex

This thread went to hell. Anyway here's my take. Not enough for TK, because of scenario. People are trying to buy him, Flyers aren't shopping him; same with Hart. Teams will pay more to get the guy they want and if the Flyers don't like the deal they simply will keep the player.

Trying to compare the deals of other players of various quality does nothing to help prove a point because of values being different. So let's keep it civil and not just go " you're a [INSERT TEAM HERE] fan so you're dumb" or "[INSERT TEAM HERE] fans over value their players". Everyone views values differently, your view on value is not fact.

Let me pick the mic back up!
A guy who scored 30 goals once is not considered a 30 goal scorer. Does he have that potential? Yes! But until you have more than one season doing it you’re not a 30 goal winger. You’re a winger who had a 30 goal season. When you call a guy a 30 goal guy that means he’s done it multiple times and it’s what you should expect! A guy does it once and you don’t know for a fact if he ever gets back there.

That’s not dumb it’s logic? Is Karlsson a 100 point defensemen or is he a defenseman who scored a 100 points once? Now he does it again next year and he is considered a 100 point D man.

As for TK is he a very good winger? Absolutely, but for your reference yes players popping off in their 25/26 seasons is very typical! Its most athletes peak prime years. Do I think TK will score 30+ in a season again? I would bet money on it! Is he a ppg guy, not quite but still a top line guy.

As for your ask of a top prospect and 2 1sts that’s a tad high is all I said. And justifiably Meier IS a 30 goal guy who just scored 40 last year, and Debrincat is a 35+ guy who also has a 40 goal season (see how I’m. It calling them 40 goal guys, cause it needs to happen more than once to be considered one) and both got about the same to slightly less than your asking. A 1st plus a 2nd and a good prospect is more realistic.

I’ll hand the mic back for your rebuttal

Mid lol

So a guy who scores 30 goals isn't a 30 goal scorer. You are literally arguing that something factual isn't a fact.

Timo Meier was a pending UFA being traded near the deadline which makes any trade for TK with two full years left on his deal not a good comparable.

Alex Debrincat didn't just gor for a "first round pick." That first round pick was known to be the 7th overall pick at the time, in addition to the 2nd and 3rd. Again, not a good comparable since any first round pick coming from Edmonton for TK will be a late future first round and thus SIGNICANTLY less valuable than that pick for Debrincat.

A better comparable is the Kevin Fiala trade. He went for Brock Faber and the 19th overall pick coming off of his breakout year at 25 years old also. Fiala had 33 goals/85 points in 82 games which compares to TK's 31 goals/61 points in 60 games.

Right now the Oilers don't have a 2023 first round pick. So we are talking a late first round pick a year down the road and Broberg. Faber and Broberg is more or less a wash, but I would also take an immediate 19th overall pick over a first a year down the road which is likely to be in the 20's possibly late 20's. So edge to LA deal so far. There is also the fact that TK is under contract for two m ore years at 5.5 million, and the Kings had to commit 7 years at a 7.875 million cap hit for Fiala being that he was a RFA. Cap space is king in today's NHL and an asset in and of itself so edge TK there. Bougault and Holloway are B level prospects. You look at any reputable prospects lists and neither are top 50 in the league, most don't even have them in the top 75. Guess what else, Faber is ahead of Broberg.

When you consider the cap space, the fact that the Flyers don't have to trade TK and Fiala was a RFA who they didn't want to pay so they were actively shopping him, TK should absolutely return as much or slightly more than him. 19 and Faber isn't much less if at all less than a future first from a perennial playoff team, Broberg, and Bourgault.

Either way you are underrating TK massively if you think he isn't returning two firsts (your words) or in this case the equivalent with a future late first and Broberg when a very similar player at the same age went for a slightly better deal than that.

TK has scored 30 goals. He is not a 30 goal scorer.
I don’t understand why you can’t fathom this?

Calling a player a 30 Goal scorer Implies it’s happened multiple times and it’s what you should expect from that player.

Saying he’s scored 30 goals implies it’s happened once and it can be assumed he is capable of reaching that level again but it’s not a guaranty.

TK has 1 30 goal season, yea he also has a bunch of mid 20’s seasons and puts up very solid numbers no doubt. can he score 30 again? Yes! Is it all but assured the team that trades for him is getting 30 goals next year? No.

That’s the difference.

As for your comparisons, you make far too many valid points and yea I think I concede that portion of the argument. I think I’m undervaluing him to much and that’s not fair so my apologies there.