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Created by: SMH
Team: 2023-24 Montreal Canadiens
Initial Creation Date: Jun. 20, 2023
Published: Jun. 20, 2023
Salary Cap Mode: Basic
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
3$1,850,000
2$850,000
1$4,290,125
Offer Sheets
Offer sheet annual average (AAV) is calculated by dividing the contract value by the lower of: 1. The contract length, or 2. Five years
PLAYERAAVCOMPENSATION
Dubois, Pierre-Luc$4,290,125
2024 2nd round pick
Trades
1.
MTL
  1. 2024 2nd round pick (MTL)
Additional Details:
The 3rd is a conditional pick if the pick 2024 2nd is higher than 37th
ARI
  1. 2023 2nd round pick (MTL)
  2. 2025 3rd round pick (MTL)
Additional Details:
MTL pick in 2024 should realistically be lower than 37th
2.
MTL
    Montreal put the cards on the table
    Unless you trade him to montreal for that price we offer sheet PLD and if you match he can't be traded for a year and while you get a quality player for a year at a low cap hit it's probably not a result the jets would be happy in
    WPG
    1. Dvorak, Christian
    2. Mysak, Jan
    3. 2023 1st round pick (FLA)
    Additional Details:
    If he's traded to montreal he signs a 8 year 7.85M AAV and if they go with the offer sheet they sign him to an extension right away at 7 years 9.25M
    3.
    Buyouts
    Buried
    DraftRound 1Round 2Round 3Round 4Round 5Round 6Round 7
    2023
    Logo of the MTL
    Logo of the MTL
    Logo of the MTL
    Logo of the PIT
    Logo of the VGK
    Logo of the MTL
    Logo of the CGY
    Logo of the MTL
    Logo of the MTL
    2024
    Logo of the MTL
    Logo of the COL
    Logo of the MTL
    Logo of the MTL
    Logo of the MTL
    Logo of the SJS
    Logo of the MTL
    Logo of the MTL
    Logo of the EDM
    2025
    Logo of the MTL
    Logo of the CGY
    Logo of the MTL
    Logo of the MTL
    Logo of the MTL
    Logo of the MTL
    Logo of the MTL
    ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
    23$83,500,000$72,661,791$1,170,000$710,000$10,838,209
    Left WingCentreRight Wing
    Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
    $7,850,000$7,850,000
    LW, RW
    UFA - 8
    Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
    $7,875,000$7,875,000
    C
    UFA - 7
    Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
    $5,500,000$5,500,000
    RW, LW
    M-NTC
    UFA - 4
    $4,290,125$4,290,125
    C
    UFA - 8
    Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
    $3,362,500$3,362,500
    C, RW
    RFA - 3
    Logo of the Vancouver Canucks
    $4,150,000$4,150,000
    RW, LW
    UFA - 1
    Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
    $1,850,000$1,850,000
    LW, RW
    RFA - 2
    Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
    $1,985,000$1,985,000 (Performance Bonus$15,000$15K)
    C, LW, RW
    UFA - 1
    Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
    $6,500,000$6,500,000
    RW, LW
    M-NTC, NMC
    UFA - 4
    Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
    $812,500$812,500
    LW, RW
    UFA - 2
    Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
    $1,700,000$1,700,000
    C
    UFA - 2
    Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
    $3,400,000$3,400,000
    RW, LW
    UFA - 2
    Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
    Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
    $4,875,000$4,875,000
    LD
    M-NTC
    UFA - 3
    Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
    $3,500,000$3,500,000
    RD
    UFA - 2
    Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
    $1,925,000$1,925,000
    G
    M-NTC
    UFA - 2
    Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
    $863,333$863,333 (Performance Bonus$420,000$420K)
    LD/RD
    RFA - 2
    Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
    $925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$275,000$275K)
    RD
    RFA - 1
    Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
    $1,000,000$1,000,000
    G
    UFA - 1
    Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
    $828,333$828,333
    LD/RD
    RFA - 1
    Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
    $1,400,000$1,400,000
    LD/RD
    RFA - 2
    ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
    Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
    $850,000$850,000
    RW, LW
    RFA - 1
    Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
    $10,500,000$10,500,000
    G
    NMC
    UFA - 3
    Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
    $1,100,000$1,100,000
    LW, RW
    UFA - 1
    Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
    $766,667$766,667
    RD
    UFA - 2

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    Jun. 20, 2023 at 2:53 p.m.
    #26
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    Quoting: SMH
    If the KK offersheet where he toke more money for one year and then less for the rest of his extension wasn't considered cap circumventing why would that be the case ?


    I suppose that's a good point, I never thought of it that way.
    Jun. 20, 2023 at 3:13 p.m.
    #27
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    Quoting: Campabee
    I have maintained (even when other Habs fans have said that his value is low) that the price to acquire PLD is about the Florida 1st + Kidney + Dvorak/Hoffman + maybe a 3rd now that the Panthers pick is 31st. It has even been agreed upon by multiple other Jets fans. This is a fair price for both sides, I don't think that any GM (even those outside Montreal) would give up much more than this, plus still have to sign him in the 8.5+ mil range, it just makes little sense to go overboard to acquire a 2C who has been problematic for 2 separate teams.

    Why would it be a huge gut punch exactly? If he doesn't come here we aren't out all the assets you seem to think we will be trading to acquire him, we have been down this road several times before with much better players. They say the want to play here but a deal never works out, it's no different than any other team not getting a player their fans are really hot after. It would be more of a gut punch if we paid 5th + Dach + something else then he demanded 10+ mil and we were either forced into signing that or sitting him for the season and lost all those assets for that.


    It just sounds like a coping mechanism by you and the multitude of other Montreal fans. After more than a year of bombarding the boards with horrendous lowball offers and telling Jet fans that they had no choice but to accept these paltry offers because otherwise you'll just take him for free.

    Now suddenly, it appears that all you're beliefs have been shattered. PLD has said he's perfectly happy to extend with multiple teams, multiple teams are interested in PLD and he wants to be paid. Pushing Montreal further away of being in the running.

    Now, this isn't saying he isn't going to Montreal, just that Montreal fans have started with coping in case they don't get him.

    "That's okay, even thought we've asked for him in trade, multiple times a day, for over a year, we didn't want him anyways." Classic coping mechanism.
    Jun. 20, 2023 at 4:05 p.m.
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    Quoting: Windjammer
    It just sounds like a coping mechanism by you and the multitude of other Montreal fans. After more than a year of bombarding the boards with horrendous lowball offers and telling Jet fans that they had no choice but to accept these paltry offers because otherwise you'll just take him for free.

    Now suddenly, it appears that all you're beliefs have been shattered. PLD has said he's perfectly happy to extend with multiple teams, multiple teams are interested in PLD and he wants to be paid. Pushing Montreal further away of being in the running.

    Now, this isn't saying he isn't going to Montreal, just that Montreal fans have started with coping in case they don't get him.

    "That's okay, even thought we've asked for him in trade, multiple times a day, for over a year, we didn't want him anyways." Classic coping mechanism.


    I think you need to go back through my comments regarding PLD, I haven't tried to "lowball" any ACGM and have never said the Jets have to take whatever we are willing to offer. I think it has been months since I offered anything other than Dvorak + Kidney + the Panthers 1st and have recently been adding a 3rd to that as well, even on fellow Habs fans ACGM's I say the same thing. The problem is you are too busy trolling to actually read what is being said. PLD isn't going to be traded for scraps but he also isn't going to be traded for 3 top assets either. It's going to be in the middle ,which is where I have constantly been saying. However that being said the Jets still aren't going to "win" the trade, as I said moving good/great players always leave the fan base wanting more. Montreal wanted more in the Suban trade, we wanted more in the Patches trad too, I imagine Jets fans at the time of the trade wanted more from the Laine return as well. These are top players it hurts to lose them and they are hard to replace after all.
     
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