SalarySwishSalarySwish
Forums/Armchair-GM

Question for Pens and Bruins fans

Created by: Tonio
Team: 2023-24 Pittsburgh Penguins
Initial Creation Date: Jun. 25, 2023
Published: Jun. 25, 2023
Salary Cap Mode: Basic
Description
What is the realistic value of griz + hall? Bs are cap strapped to hell so I know they're not getting too much but I want to know a realistic return.
Buyouts
DraftRound 1Round 2Round 3Round 4Round 5Round 6Round 7
2023
Logo of the PIT
Logo of the NJD
Logo of the PIT
Logo of the PIT
Logo of the FLA
Logo of the TOR
2024
Logo of the PIT
Logo of the PIT
Logo of the VGK
Logo of the PIT
Logo of the PIT
Logo of the PIT
2025
Logo of the PIT
Logo of the PIT
Logo of the PIT
Logo of the PIT
Logo of the PIT
Logo of the PIT
Logo of the PIT
ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
15$83,500,000$57,885,592$0$0$25,614,408
Left WingCentreRight Wing
Logo of the Pittsburgh Penguins
$4,500,000$4,500,000
LW, RW
M-NTC
UFA - 1
Logo of the Pittsburgh Penguins
$8,700,000$8,700,000
C
NMC
UFA - 2
Logo of the Pittsburgh Penguins
$5,125,000$5,125,000
RW, LW
NMC
UFA - 5
Logo of the Pittsburgh Penguins
$6,100,000$6,100,000
C
NMC
UFA - 3
Logo of the Pittsburgh Penguins
$5,000,000$5,000,000
RW, LW
M-NTC
UFA - 5
Logo of the Pittsburgh Penguins
$5,000,000$5,000,000
C, RW
UFA - 2
Logo of the Pittsburgh Penguins
$775,000$775,000
RW, LW
RFA - 1
Logo of the Pittsburgh Penguins
$3,125,000$3,125,000
RW, C
NMC
UFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
Logo of the Pittsburgh Penguins
$4,025,175$4,025,175
LD
M-NTC
UFA - 2
Logo of the Pittsburgh Penguins
$2,343,750$2,343,750
RD
M-NTC, NMC
UFA - 2
Logo of the Pittsburgh Penguins
$1,800,000$1,800,000
G
UFA - 1
Logo of the Pittsburgh Penguins
$2,750,000$2,750,000
LD/RD
UFA - 2
Logo of the Pittsburgh Penguins
$6,100,000$6,100,000
RD
NMC
UFA - 5
Logo of the Pittsburgh Penguins
$825,000$825,000
LD
RFA - 1
Logo of the Pittsburgh Penguins
$800,000$800,000
RD
UFA - 1

Embed Code

  • To display this team on another website or blog, add this iFrame to the appropriate page
  • Customize the height attribute in the iFrame code below to fit your website appropriately. Minimum recommended: 400px.

Text-Embed

Click to Highlight
Jun. 25, 2023 at 3:33 p.m.
#1
"Go sell ice cream!"
Avatar of the user
Joined: Jun. 2015
Posts: 3,138
Likes: 1,395
Guessing a 2nd for Grzy and 3rd for Hall. And that might be more generous than Sweeney gets.
Tonio liked this.
Jun. 25, 2023 at 3:35 p.m.
#2
Thread Starter
Avatar of the user
Joined: Aug. 2022
Posts: 49
Likes: 10
Quoting: jfkst1
Guessing a 2nd for Grzy and 3rd for Hall. And that might be more generous than Sweeney gets.


Would be great value pick ups for pens
Jun. 25, 2023 at 3:40 p.m.
#3
Avatar of the user
Joined: Jun. 2019
Posts: 2,705
Likes: 994
If you are willing to take on 9.687 million in salary with no contract going back or retention it should be done with very little return. To take both the most I would pay would be a 4th.
palhal liked this.
Jun. 25, 2023 at 3:41 p.m.
#4
Thread Starter
Avatar of the user
Joined: Aug. 2022
Posts: 49
Likes: 10
Quoting: brgh4life
If you are willing to take on 9.687 million in salary with no contract going back or retention it should be done with very little return. To take both the most I would pay would be a 4th.


It's basically trading Zucker and dumo for them as replacements
Jun. 25, 2023 at 3:52 p.m.
#5
LongtimeLeafsufferer
Avatar of the user
Joined: Jul. 2015
Posts: 60,251
Likes: 23,113
Quoting: brgh4life
If you are willing to take on 9.687 million in salary with no contract going back or retention it should be done with very little return. To take both the most I would pay would be a 4th.


You're right. I'm not sure the Pens should even do that. The Pens might do better spending 9.687m on UFAs.
brgh4life liked this.
Jun. 25, 2023 at 3:56 p.m.
#6
Avatar of the user
Joined: Feb. 2023
Posts: 572
Likes: 176
Id really like to get hall for a third
Victor24 liked this.
Jun. 25, 2023 at 3:59 p.m.
#7
Avatar of the user
Joined: Mar. 2023
Posts: 2,813
Likes: 956
My guess is a 3rd and a 4th for Gryz and Hall.
Jun. 25, 2023 at 4:00 p.m.
#8
Avatar of the user
Joined: Mar. 2023
Posts: 2,813
Likes: 956
Quoting: palhal
You're right. I'm not sure the Pens should even do that. The Pens might do better spending 9.687m on UFAs.


I think both would fit well in the Pens system but both are a risk.
Jun. 25, 2023 at 4:03 p.m.
#9
Avatar of the user
Joined: Feb. 2023
Posts: 572
Likes: 176
Quoting: Victor24
My guess is a 3rd and a 4th for Gryz and Hall.


Id be very happy with that.
Victor24 liked this.
Jun. 25, 2023 at 4:46 p.m.
#10
Avatar of the user
Joined: May 2023
Posts: 4,192
Likes: 1,310
My perspective is it would be a 3rd for Grzlecyk at a minimum. There are enough teams that need puck moving defense and a lack of them on the open market. A 3rd pick is basically a throw away pick. Maybe 1 in 10 make a bigger impact than the player you can sign out of the AHL for free.

Hall is only available if they believe that Bertuzzi is willing to sign. I don’t believe Bertuzzi and Sweeney come to an agreement before FA, so this is kind of moot. If it happens, I would target a former disappointing prospect like Poulin or Corey Stillman from NJ. My guess is the return for Hall would be underwhelming though he could easily recoup more at the deadline if they can find space elsewhere
Jun. 25, 2023 at 5:55 p.m.
#11
Avatar of the user
Joined: May 2023
Posts: 100
Likes: 30
although i wish differently, i think what a lot of people fail to see for the B's cap situation, is there's still positive value to be moved first.
If we can't trade a possible Vezina goalie to the loser of the Helly sweepstakes i'd be surprised, but i'm sure some cap coming back from any team in the league.
after trading Forbort and Reilly. Even adding our limited draft capital, if need be for Reilly. I think Forbort still can be had for even a 7th. Easy pill to swallow for any team who needs PK help.
Then, we have Swayman, Frederick, and Debrusk all with value.
If someone wants to offer sheet Sway and not be outbid, it'll be in the 4.3-4.5 range, anything in the 3s we pobably match. That's a 1st and 3rd compensation there. and we still keep a 1a goalie, with 3-4 strong prospects still in the pipeline, and much cheaper veteran backups avail on the market.
Freddy in the low-mid 2s/per = 1 2nd rd if we can't match
Then, we have Debrusk, who after Bergy and Krej retire, may not want an extension, so great value there for a 26-yr old on a good contract.
There's plenty of easy cap to move there, and if it comes at the expense of getting no return for a top-4 d-man and a middle-6 wing, we'll keep them, and trade Gryz at the deadline to a contender for a much larger haul, and if we can, move Hall at next years draft/deadline if some of the kids are ready.
I strongly believe as much trouble as we're in, we don't need to give away everything, to make it work.

Sweeney and BOS scouts are atrocious at the draft, but have more often than not, been great trade negotiators. If the deal doesn't start with at least a 3rd for Gryz, i think it's a non-starter.
Maybe a 3rd and Ty Smith? Durzi just got a 2nd (i know cheaper and younger)
Hall, with less value i'd still hope for like a 3rd,
so how about a combo for both of say, 2024 2nd (W/good season something like 58-64), Ty Smith (young but expendable w/ Gryz coming in), and a top-9 prospect like Hallander, or Broz? (i think i saw that's what they're fair projection is, not too familiar with your farm system) If they're too high, let me know someone not named Poulin or POJ, that you'd consider. or. replace the 2nd w a first and since eliminating the 9.6 in cap, we can discuss Granlund coming back
Halls term matches what you're what you're going for in terms of length of time for Crosby/Malkin/Letang, and there's no saying that Gryz wouldn't extend there even if just 1-year
sorry for having to read this rant, but i do think these 2 could be strong trade partner candidates this off-season
Jun. 26, 2023 at 3:17 p.m.
#12
Avatar of the user
Joined: Jun. 2019
Posts: 2,705
Likes: 994
You got your answer. The rights to two players who are fringe NHL'ers.
 
Reply
To create a post please Login or Register
Question:
Options:
Add Option
Submit Poll