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2023 NHL Offseason Discussion Thread #3 - Free Agent Frenzy

One of the more popular debates online recently has been Malkin vs Kane. Who do you guys think had the better career? I'm going with Geno
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Jul. 5, 2023 at 11:04 a.m.
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if you guys want to generate easy engagement™ in acgm, trade nylander for jarvis one for one
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Jul. 5, 2023 at 11:26 a.m.
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if you guys want to generate easy engagement™ in acgm, trade nylander for jarvis one for one


A recent AGM sees your shenanigans and raises you Jarvis + Pesce for Nylander + Robertson. Woof.
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Jul. 5, 2023 at 12:03 p.m.
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Pens fans be like:

Karlsson (6m retained)
for
Petry
2024 1st (protected tho)
POJ (but he’s going to Anaheim as compensation for more retention).
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Jul. 5, 2023 at 1:00 p.m.
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Honestly I think Karlsson won't return much more than that. The contract is just a killer. No third team is going to want to retain for four years any more than the Sharks want to. Especially after the way Arizona lost it's retention slot for a decade when a buyout happened on a declining defenseman. Last year was the first year he's been healthy and got a full season in forever. And he put up monster numbers, but can a team expect him to repeat that after two very bad and short seasons preceding it? And he's 33, so I'd expect heavy regression to the EK we've seen the previous two years. Before this season, he was considered immovable.
If I was Grier, I'd be thanking EK for his monster season and shipping him out for almost anything just to get out from under the $39 million real dollars and the cap tied up for the next four years. Imagine being tied up til the summer of 2027 with 11.5M in a 37 year old EK.
EK wants out. The Sharks want him out. I think the deal will be very underwhelming considering the year he just had. Even at $8M, I think the next team will regret it by year two.
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Jul. 5, 2023 at 1:13 p.m.
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Quoting: Pompadour_de_Armstrong
Honestly I think Karlsson won't return much more than that. The contract is just a killer. No third team is going to want to retain for four years any more than the Sharks want to. Especially after the way Arizona lost it's retention slot for a decade when a buyout happened on a declining defenseman. Last year was the first year he's been healthy and got a full season in forever. And he put up monster numbers, but can a team expect him to repeat that after two very bad and short seasons preceding it? And he's 33, so I'd expect heavy regression to the EK we've seen the previous two years. Before this season, he was considered immovable.
If I was Grier, I'd be thanking EK for his monster season and shipping him out for almost anything just to get out from under the $39 million real dollars and the cap tied up for the next four years. Imagine being tied up til the summer of 2027 with 11.5M in a 37 year old EK.
EK wants out. The Sharks want him out. I think the deal will be very underwhelming considering the year he just had. Even at $8M, I think the next team will regret it by year two.


Agreed. I also think that while his point totals were certainly eye-popping; the situation in San Jose and their lack of competitiveness gave him a green light to be entertaining, aggressive, and ignore his defensive responsibilities because they WEREN'T TRYING TO WIN. Now, this does not mean EK can't be better defensively elsewhere; but that also means you can't expect 100 point totals if he does that.

A team that lacks an offensive defenseman and needs a jolt to their Power Play should certainly be interested; but putting him into a new situation also should change the expectations (which is why teams aren't breaking the bank to get him).
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Jul. 5, 2023 at 1:17 p.m.
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Quoting: Pompadour_de_Armstrong
Honestly I think Karlsson won't return much more than that. The contract is just a killer. No third team is going to want to retain for four years any more than the Sharks want to. Especially after the way Arizona lost it's retention slot for a decade when a buyout happened on a declining defenseman. Last year was the first year he's been healthy and got a full season in forever. And he put up monster numbers, but can a team expect him to repeat that after two very bad and short seasons preceding it? And he's 33, so I'd expect heavy regression to the EK we've seen the previous two years. Before this season, he was considered immovable.
If I was Grier, I'd be thanking EK for his monster season and shipping him out for almost anything just to get out from under the $39 million real dollars and the cap tied up for the next four years. Imagine being tied up til the summer of 2027 with 11.5M in a 37 year old EK.
EK wants out. The Sharks want him out. I think the deal will be very underwhelming considering the year he just had. Even at $8M, I think the next team will regret it by year two.


Random thought: could a team trade a draft pick with a condition tied to a buyout? i.e. if the player gets bought out with x years remaining they owe a 2nd rd pick or something along those lines. (the team buying out would pay the draft pick as compensation to salary retaining team as compensation for lost retention slot years)
Jul. 5, 2023 at 1:18 p.m.
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Random thought: could a team trade a draft pick with a condition tied to a buyout? i.e. if the player gets bought out with x years remaining they owe a 2nd rd pick or something along those lines.


No but technically that could be future considerations
Jul. 5, 2023 at 1:29 p.m.
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Vladimir Tarasenko has new representation: JP Barry & Pat Brisson of CAA. What this means is no deal in place with any team, but process re-sets today.

-Elliotte Friedman

I recind my guess of 5 years of term.

Dude isn’t getting term

2 years at 6.5 is my guess now

If there’s a KHL doomsday clock it’s at 11:57 right now.
Jul. 5, 2023 at 2:58 p.m.
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Vladimir Tarasenko has new representation: JP Barry & Pat Brisson of CAA. What this means is no deal in place with any team, but process re-sets today.

-Elliotte Friedman

I recind my guess of 5 years of term.

Dude isn’t getting term

2 years at 6.5 is my guess now

If there’s a KHL doomsday clock it’s at 11:57 right now.


There is still enough money available for him to sign somewhere in NHL and get $5 million +. Doing it for a contender is another story and would require juggling or getting dealt at the TDL. If I were him, playing RW to Bedard-Hall in Chicago on a 1-year $6 million contract and then maybe getting dealt to a contender is a smart play.

The Predators, Sabres, and Red Wings are teams that might be interesting as a middle team fighting for the 7th/8th seed and having cap space and top 9 spots up for grabs.

The Avs and Rangers have clear cut needs at RW but little cap space so that would be minimum deals just to chase a cup. The Canes have little more room but have a Top 9 already set (pending Svechnikov being healthy).

The team to watch would be the Capitals; if they move Kusnetsov they could have space to add Tarasenko and he fits their age/experience/window.
Jul. 5, 2023 at 3:05 p.m.
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Quoting: CantStopWontStop
Vladimir Tarasenko has new representation: JP Barry & Pat Brisson of CAA. What this means is no deal in place with any team, but process re-sets today.

-Elliotte Friedman

I recind my guess of 5 years of term.

Dude isn’t getting term

2 years at 6.5 is my guess now

If there’s a KHL doomsday clock it’s at 11:57 right now.


I think hes trying to go back to the NYR but they got no cap for him considering the RFA's they need to extend. Now they could try and dump Goodrow but thats gonna cost a 1st considering hes got 4 years left.

Lets see what happens
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Jul. 5, 2023 at 4:19 p.m.
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I think hes trying to go back to the NYR but they got no cap for him considering the RFA's they need to extend. Now they could try and dump Goodrow but thats gonna cost a 1st considering hes got 4 years left.

Lets see what happens


From a hockey perspective NYR would be such a good fit. It seems like that should be the outcome. I feel that’s the best for Tarasenko, although probably leaves a little money on the table.

Unfortunately, the agent Tarasenko fired is Panarin’s agent. So that’s not ideal.

It seems likely given the multiple leaks the agent and Carolina believe they met the criteria for a deal, but Tarasenko did not. If some party(s) feel mislead, whether it be agent, team, player, or some combination, that may have closed the door on that opportunity with the same force that Tarasenko closed the door on his previous agent.

I wonder if some teams will FOMO - if anybody was upset with the Carolina rumor/leak, perhaps they perk up now. Perhaps the landing spot is yet to be named. But watch I click submit and news comes he’s a ranger.
Jul. 5, 2023 at 4:21 p.m.
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Wow.

Yzerman went about this the wrong way of course you don't have space for him you signed JT Compher to a ****ing 5 x 5
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Jul. 5, 2023 at 4:31 p.m.
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Wow.

Yzerman went about this the wrong way of course you don't have space for him you signed JT Compher to a ****ing 5 x 5


Yzerman signed him to a strong contract hoping he'd be worth it. He hasn't been worth it. Then he's been hurt. Then Zadina wanted a trade and fresh start. No-one wanted him bc of the contract (and maybe other reasons). Then Stevie Y waived him, and still nobody wants him. What else is Yzerman going to do if the guy doesn't want to play there? Just cut bait and free up some cap space and turn the page at that point.
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Jul. 5, 2023 at 4:40 p.m.
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Looks like Horny is leaving the NHL for good. Had a solid career.
Jul. 5, 2023 at 4:44 p.m.
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Does this mean zadina becomes ufa?
Jul. 5, 2023 at 4:45 p.m.
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Quoting: Pompadour_de_Armstrong
Yzerman signed him to a strong contract hoping he'd be worth it. He hasn't been worth it. Then he's been hurt. Then Zadina wanted a trade and fresh start. No-one wanted him bc of the contract (and maybe other reasons). Then Stevie Y waived him, and still nobody wants him. What else is Yzerman going to do if the guy doesn't want to play there? Just cut bait and free up some cap space and turn the page at that point.


It was a 3 year deal that started last year. He was hurt most of last year. He didn't get the chance to be worth it.

It feels like another Vrana situation too me. Yzerman shot himself in the foot by signing a ton of guys imo because he's just blocking the younger players from ice time.
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Jul. 5, 2023 at 4:46 p.m.
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Does this mean zadina becomes ufa?


yea
Jul. 5, 2023 at 4:56 p.m.
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Quoting: ARMCHAIRGMOFTHEYEAR

It feels like another Vrana situation too me. Yzerman shot himself in the foot by signing a ton of guys imo because he's just blocking the younger players from ice time.


Detroit has plenty of room to compete for a spot there. He'd have to fight Fabbri, Kubalik, Perron, Sprong, and a couple young guys in Raymond (probably a lock), Kostin, Kasper, and Soderblom (both them probably going to get stashed in the minors at least part of the season, imo) for a top-six spot. Literally four of those guys are going to be getting top-six ice time. Zadina could easily play himself into that mix.
Compher is competition for Copp or Fabbri down the middle, not the winger spots.
Jul. 5, 2023 at 5:14 p.m.
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Looks like Horny is leaving the NHL for good. Had a solid career.


His retirement was confirmed on Elite Prospects July 1st. Yall slacking
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Jul. 5, 2023 at 5:19 p.m.
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Jul. 5, 2023 at 6:19 p.m.
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McBain is also headed to arbitration. Nathan Smith deal is done, one-year.
Jul. 5, 2023 at 6:20 p.m.
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how much does he think he's worth ?!
Jul. 5, 2023 at 7:28 p.m.
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o7 press f to pay respects to brad treliving, who cannot sign michael stone to a pto o7
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Jul. 5, 2023 at 7:30 p.m.
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Quoting: Pompadour_de_Armstrong
Detroit has plenty of room to compete for a spot there. He'd have to fight Fabbri, Kubalik, Perron, Sprong, and a couple young guys in Raymond (probably a lock), Kostin, Kasper, and Soderblom (both them probably going to get stashed in the minors at least part of the season, imo) for a top-six spot. Literally four of those guys are going to be getting top-six ice time. Zadina could easily play himself into that mix.
Compher is competition for Copp or Fabbri down the middle, not the winger spots.


Don't be so sure on Compher. In Colorado he was a hood 3C but played way better as wing in our top 6 then he did 2C. As a wing he can help out on faceoffs but he is not a distributor of the puck nor does he drive play by himself.
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Jul. 5, 2023 at 8:54 p.m.
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Don't be so sure on Compher. In Colorado he was a hood 3C but played way better as wing in our top 6 then he did 2C.


I don't think they can count on Fabbri to be healthy as a top six center, and Copp is definitely better suited to third. I don't think they signed JT to a $5M deal be a winger. The center depth looks atrocious after Larkin. Whether he stays at center, who knows. Kind of the same boat as Fabbri. Both probably best at wing.
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