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Getting really creative. MIN fans care to comment?

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Team: 2017-18 New York Islanders
Initial Creation Date: Jun. 25, 2017
Published: Jun. 25, 2017
Salary Cap Mode: Basic
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
5$6,000,000
5$3,000,000
3$925,000
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1.
NYI
    RFA rights to Mikael Granlund
    MIN
    1. Dal Colle, Michael
    2. 2018 1st round pick (CGY)
    3. 2018 1st round pick (NYI)
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    Should the Islanders offersheet Granlund at the $6M AAV, the compensation would be a 2018 1st, 2nd and 3rd. I'm not fully aware of MIN's cap situation and whether or not they could afford to match it, but accepting a trade like this instead of losing him for the previously mentioned compensation makes sense.
    2.
    NYI
    1. 2018 5th round pick (ANA)
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    Cap clearing move - used Anaheim as a placeholder. Any team could go here
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    Jun. 25, 2017 at 3:51 p.m.
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    *puts on Minnesota hat*

    Well I think it's a pretty fair trade
    Jun. 25, 2017 at 3:51 p.m.
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    I'd jump all over that from Minny perspective. It fixes the cap problem and stocks up on picks + a good prospect.

    I think you're basing this trade under the assumption Granny is a 65p 2C. He's not, he's a playmaking winger. So you are probably overpaying for a winger.

    Drop 1 of the 1sts and it' still a good deal for Minny.
    Jun. 25, 2017 at 4:11 p.m.
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    The value is solid but i wouldn't do it. Has the Wild likely taking a big step back next year because of this and just adds to their holes at the forward position.

    Also gets rid of one of their young, promising players that actually has taken a big step forward in recent years. And in my view doesn't really solve the cap issues because they're gong to have to sign someone to replace him then anyway. Not a fan.
    Jun. 25, 2017 at 4:21 p.m.
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    The value is solid but i wouldn't do it. Has the Wild likely taking a big step back next year because of this and just adds to their holes at the forward position.

    Also gets rid of one of their young, promising players that actually has taken a big step forward in recent years. And in my view doesn't really solve the cap issues because they're gong to have to sign someone to replace him then anyway. Not a fan.


    Not really. They have a lot of LW depth in Parise, Nino, and Zucker already on the roster. Kunin, Kaprizov, and Greenway all potentially challenging for roster spots after next season, then add Dal Colle to that group. They should be able to get a decent 3rd liner for relatively cheap. Or it could open up a Scandella for Kane (base) trade that's been rumored for awhile now.
    Jun. 25, 2017 at 4:36 p.m.
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    Not really. They have a lot of LW depth in Parise, Nino, and Zucker already on the roster. Kunin, Kaprizov, and Greenway all potentially challenging for roster spots after next season, then add Dal Colle to that group. They should be able to get a decent 3rd liner for relatively cheap. Or it could open up a Scandella for Kane (base) trade that's been rumored for awhile now.


    That's what I mean though; this trade likely has them taking a step back this year. At best next year some of the young guys will challenge for spots and then hopefully a year or two after that they'd be back to where they are now at that position.

    And if you plan on sliding Nino back over to LW that really leaves Coyle and Pominville as the only legit Top-9 RW options, which is frightening.

    If you trade Granlund for a package like this you're having to sign, imo, two top-9 C/RW players (depending on where you see Ek playing).

    I also have trouble understanding the allure of Kane anymore. It's been 4 or 5 years since he had a really good season. Part of that is Buffalo, part of that is his play, and part of that is his off-ice/injury troubles.

    Like I said, I think this would be a step-back for the Wild and with the contracts/players they have that doesn't really make sense.
    Jun. 25, 2017 at 4:39 p.m.
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    Granlund was a very ineffective offensive player a center.
    Jun. 25, 2017 at 4:55 p.m.
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    Quoting: bchapman88
    Quoting: wabit


    Not really. They have a lot of LW depth in Parise, Nino, and Zucker already on the roster. Kunin, Kaprizov, and Greenway all potentially challenging for roster spots after next season, then add Dal Colle to that group. They should be able to get a decent 3rd liner for relatively cheap. Or it could open up a Scandella for Kane (base) trade that's been rumored for awhile now.


    That's what I mean though; this trade likely has them taking a step back this year. At best next year some of the young guys will challenge for spots and then hopefully a year or two after that they'd be back to where they are now at that position.

    And if you plan on sliding Nino back over to LW that really leaves Coyle and Pominville as the only legit Top-9 RW options, which is frightening.

    If you trade Granlund for a package like this you're having to sign, imo, two top-9 C/RW players (depending on where you see Ek playing).

    I also have trouble understanding the allure of Kane anymore. It's been 4 or 5 years since he had a good season. Part of that is Buffalo, part of that is his play, and part of that is his off-ice/injury troubles.

    Like I said, I think this would be a step-back for the Wild and with the contracts/players they have that doesn't really make sense.


    28g in 70 games is a pretty good season... He adds some the toughness the Wild severely lack. Yes he has a ton of red flags, but it'll be a contract year so he should be on his best behavior.

    Nino played LW most of last season. Granny played his offhanded wing. I'm fine with a Zucker/Koivu/Pommer 2nd/shutdown line.

    Pommer is not quite the passer as Granny, but he does have the 2nd best passing hands on the team. Zucker was what made that line work, not Granny.

    Lose Granny or Nino this year, or Zucker next year. I'd keep Nino and Zucker, they both have aspects to their game nobody on the Wild has.

    Nino/Staal/Coyle
    Parise/Koivu/Zucker
    ???/JEE/Pommer

    Those 5 wings still make a really good top-6 in some way, shape, or form. 3rd and 4th liners are easier to find than top-6 players, either in a Scandella trade or in UFA. A step back really would mean making the Playoffs as a Wild Card and getting bounced in the first round. Instead of making the Playoffs as a 2 seed and getting bounced in the first round like last year.
    Jun. 25, 2017 at 5:12 p.m.
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    Quoting: wabit
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    That's what I mean though; this trade likely has them taking a step back this year. At best next year some of the young guys will challenge for spots and then hopefully a year or two after that they'd be back to where they are now at that position.

    And if you plan on sliding Nino back over to LW that really leaves Coyle and Pominville as the only legit Top-9 RW options, which is frightening.

    If you trade Granlund for a package like this you're having to sign, imo, two top-9 C/RW players (depending on where you see Ek playing).

    I also have trouble understanding the allure of Kane anymore. It's been 4 or 5 years since he had a good season. Part of that is Buffalo, part of that is his play, and part of that is his off-ice/injury troubles.

    Like I said, I think this would be a step-back for the Wild and with the contracts/players they have that doesn't really make sense.


    A step back really would mean making the Playoffs as a Wild Card and getting bounced in the first round. Instead of making the Playoffs as a 2 seed and getting bounced in the first round like last year.


    Lmao sadly this is probably very true

    I'd much rather keep Zucker too.

    I'm not convinced Pommer has it in him to play top-9 minutes anymore over the course of a season.

    In any event, I think that's a decision I would make next summer when I had a better handle on that roster and cap situation then. I'm just afraid they make a move like that one year too soon and then are left scrambling to replace that production before the young guys are ready.
    Jun. 25, 2017 at 5:25 p.m.
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    Players are easier to trade without a contract than with one (RFA's). Especially when you get into the $5m+ range.
    Jun. 25, 2017 at 5:29 p.m.
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    Even so I'd still pass. I think the value is definitely fine it's just not the direction I'd go with the team.
    Jun. 25, 2017 at 6:39 p.m.
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    Getting very close to the cap if you want if Isles want to sign Tavares. Wishing Kumulin away without taking money back, isn't realistic.
    Jun. 25, 2017 at 7:53 p.m.
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    Keep dreaming about Granlund..stud first line center isn't going anywhere..minny wil move Nino and D before him with mikko going into final year and Staal not getting any younger
    Jun. 25, 2017 at 8:07 p.m.
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    Keep dreaming about Granlund..stud first line center isn't going anywhere..minny wil move Nino and D before him with mikko going into final year and Staal not getting any younger


    Granlund isn't a center, well not a good center at least. He's a natural wing.
     
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