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Created by: pens1991
Team: 2023-24 Pittsburgh Penguins
Initial Creation Date: Jul. 5, 2023
Published: Jul. 5, 2023
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I genuinely believe the penguins won't land Karlsson (which means they probably will because i'm a mush).

The ONLY way I see Pittsburgh landing Karlsson is if Carolina backs out of attempting to acquire him and Pittsburgh is the only team left and Karlsson's camp gets more pushy about wanting out of SJS. (Carolina can send back better pieces than Pittsburgh, they of course still have some question marks around Pesce and whether Tarasenko is signing or not, but their prospect pool is much deeper).

I don't believe Petry going back to SJS is possible as I don't think they're on his list. So the only possibility of him going to SJS would be if he waived (doubt that) or SJS have a trade in place that immediately sends Petry to a third team. So to me Granlund, and most likely one of Rutta or DeSmith (or both) need to go to SJS, or to another team. DeSmith has 1 year left and Rutta has two but both could easily be flipped at the deadline to a team with injuries or needing depth, they're both fine depth players but Pittsburgh needs to move all cap if they make this move.


I think the hold up is that the penguins are trying to find a place to move Petry which is difficult for two reasons. His NTC and his cap. I think Petry is still fine, he's not worth his cap hit obviously, but he isn't a liability by any means, he had a fine year last year, actually took a step forward from his last season in MTL. Chicago has 4 dman on the roster now and the prospect pool on D is all LD and believe their best D prospect is Korchinski who's a lefty, so Petry wouldn't necessarily take a spot from anyone. Only has 2 years left so you'd have to pay chicago regardless because it's a cap dump for pittsburgh but it's a player that fills out the roster in Chicago for now.

This is the only way i beleive Karlsson can wind up in Pittsburgh, I personally don't think it's going to happen, but again to me you have to move Petry to somewhere besides SJ and Granlund would be going to SJ.
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PIT
  1. Karlsson, Erik ($4,000,000 retained)
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  2. Granlund, Mikael
  3. Pickering, Owen
  4. Rutta, Jan
  5. 2024 1st round pick (PIT)
  6. 2025 2nd round pick (PIT)
  7. 2026 3rd round pick (PIT)
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PIT
CHI
  1. Petry, Jeff
  2. Poulin, Samuel
  3. 2024 2nd round pick (PIT)
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2026
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23$83,500,000$79,866,842$0$0$3,633,158
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$4,500,000$4,500,000
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$8,700,000$8,700,000
C
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UFA - 2
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$6,100,000$6,100,000
C
NMC
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$5,000,000$5,000,000
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$3,000,000$3,000,000
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UFA - 1
$1,300,000$1,300,000
C, LW
RFA - 1
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$775,000$775,000
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RFA - 1
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$850,000$850,000
LW
UFA - 2
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$2,450,000$2,450,000
C
UFA - 2
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$2,000,000$2,000,000
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M-NTC
UFA - 3
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$900,000$900,000
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UFA - 6
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$6,100,000$6,100,000
RD
NMC
UFA - 5
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$5,375,000$5,375,000
G
M-NTC
UFA - 5
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$4,025,175$4,025,175
LD
M-NTC
UFA - 2
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$6,000,000$6,000,000
RD
NMC
UFA - 4
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$1,500,000$1,500,000
G
UFA - 1
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$825,000$825,000
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RFA - 1
$1,000,000$1,000,000
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RFA - 1
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$800,000$800,000
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Jul. 5, 2023 at 4:06 p.m.
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I would guess Petry blocks this trade to CHI as well. I do agree with you. Last year July 7th and 8th had a ton of trades. 23 to be exact. So I suspect we're going to see a ton of activity here within week.
Jul. 5, 2023 at 4:10 p.m.
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Quoting: jfkst1
I would guess Petry blocks this trade to CHI as well.


I'm going to disagree, but it's a guess for sure.

He has a 15 team no trade list, and it was wildly reported when getting traded to Pittsburgh that 1. he wanted out of canada and 2. he wanted to play for a team that's close to his family in Michigan.

7 canadian teams and the remaining 8 I would assume are all 3 California teams, Seattle, Arizona, Vegas (going based off distance and two being expansion teams) after that who knows who the other two are... it's tough to guess.
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Jul. 5, 2023 at 4:11 p.m.
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Chicago declines. 2nd isn't enough to take Petry.
Jul. 5, 2023 at 4:11 p.m.
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Quoting: jfkst1
I would guess Petry blocks this trade to CHI as well. I do agree with you. Last year July 7th and 8th had a ton of trades. 23 to be exact. So I suspect we're going to see a ton of activity here within week.


Also, on the dates/trades. The Draft last year was july 7-8, free agency started on the 13th i believe.
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Jul. 5, 2023 at 4:13 p.m.
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Quoting: PaulKorea
Chicago declines. 2nd isn't enough to take Petry.


it's a 2nd and a B prospect, and i'd disagree. He's going to play 2nd pair minutes most likely, and Chicago isn't a playoff team for the next 2 seasons. Chicago gets a prospect and pick for the cabinet and a player to fill the role for two years as chicago continues to build out it's team. Plus they could flip him at the TDL next season in his final year for additional assets.
Jul. 5, 2023 at 4:15 p.m.
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Hawks might accept but I wouldn't touch petry for anything less than a 1st round pick. Also in your description you mentioned the hawks only have 4 D but you failed to mention that 3 of those 4 play on the right side just like petry. So the hawks would have to either trade or buyout zaitsev.
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Jul. 5, 2023 at 4:15 p.m.
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Quoting: PaulKorea
Chicago declines. 2nd isn't enough to take Petry.


What do you think he would get on the open market? Because I can see Chicago not wanting him. But I also find some evaluations of him delusional. He's far superior to Klingberg and better than Dumba. At worst, in UFA he's getting $5m on a one year deal. Or if we're going based on recent cap dumps, a far better value player than Bailey.
Jul. 5, 2023 at 4:21 p.m.
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Quoting: SociallyHawkward
Hawks might accept but I wouldn't touch petry for anything less than a 1st round pick. Also in your description you mentioned the hawks only have 4 D but you failed to mention that 3 of those 4 play on the right side just like petry. So the hawks would have to either trade or buyout zaitsev.


Idk why I thought Murph played some time on left side (I don't watch much hawks games lol). Regardless still 4 guys, maybe someone plays their opposite side. I'm just trying to think of teams that they could actually offload Petry on based on his NTC

I also just don't believe you have to spend a 1st to offload him like that, again. He's not just a skeleton, he played perfectly fine top 4 minutes last year. If he was Ryan Suter then ya 1st rounder lol
Jul. 5, 2023 at 4:22 p.m.
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Quoting: jfkst1
What do you think he would get on the open market? Because I can see Chicago not wanting him. But I also find some evaluations of him delusional. He's far superior to Klingberg and better than Dumba. At worst, in UFA he's getting $5m on a one year deal. Or if we're going based on recent cap dumps, a far better value player than Bailey.


I don't think he gets 1x5 as a UFA but could see $4M
Jul. 5, 2023 at 4:30 p.m.
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Quoting: jfkst1
I would guess Petry blocks this trade to CHI as well. I do agree with you. Last year July 7th and 8th had a ton of trades. 23 to be exact. So I suspect we're going to see a ton of activity here within week.


July 7 and 8 were the two days of the draft in 2022. Thus all the trades on those days.
Jul. 5, 2023 at 4:38 p.m.
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it's a 2nd and a B prospect, and i'd disagree. He's going to play 2nd pair minutes most likely, and Chicago isn't a playoff team for the next 2 seasons. Chicago gets a prospect and pick for the cabinet and a player to fill the role for two years as chicago continues to build out it's team. Plus they could flip him at the TDL next season in his final year for additional assets.


Hawks decline. Replace Poulin with the Pens '26 2nd and the Hawks might consider taking Petry. He'd play on 3rd pair in Chicago - replacing Zaitsev. Poulin isn't an attractive prospect after his time away from hockey last year. He's a huge roll of the dice. Besides, Hawks GM Kyle from Chicago likes drafting his own guys. He hasn't made one trade yet where he took a young prospect from another team as a major piece of the deal.
Jul. 5, 2023 at 4:43 p.m.
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Quoting: Hawksguy81
Hawks decline. Replace Poulin with the Pens '26 2nd and the Hawks might consider taking Petry. He'd play on 3rd pair in Chicago - replacing Zaitsev. Poulin isn't an attractive prospect after his time away from hockey last year. He's a huge roll of the dice. Besides, Hawks GM Kyle from Chicago likes drafting his own guys. He hasn't made one trade yet where he took a young prospect from another team as a major piece of the deal.


I'm fine with 2 2nds, I just put a prospect as something else.
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Jul. 5, 2023 at 5:06 p.m.
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Quoting: Hawksguy81
July 7 and 8 were the two days of the draft in 2022. Thus all the trades on those days.


And there were only 7 trades on the two draft days this year. Massive decline in activity.
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Jul. 5, 2023 at 5:16 p.m.
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Quoting: jfkst1
And there were only 7 trades on the two draft days this year. Massive decline in activity.


I still think there a lot of trades to come personally. There are too many playoff teams/wildcard teams that are still trying to improve their rosters and the FA pool is basically dried up. Not to mention the various teams waiting on RFAs (Zegras, Terry, Bouchard, Dunn, Gustavsson, Addison, Miller, Lafreniere, Swaymen, etc i know i'm missing some) but think teams are waiting to see how a lot of those play out, arbitration etc. A lot of those guys are on cash strapped teams so they're going to need to move cap to keep them. Potential for a team like the penguins if they can move some contracts.
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Jul. 5, 2023 at 5:58 p.m.
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And there were only 7 trades on the two draft days this year. Massive decline in activity.


That was a huge shock. Made the draft kind of boring.
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Jul. 5, 2023 at 5:59 p.m.
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Quoting: Hawksguy81
That was a huge shock. Made the draft kind of boring.


I was shocked honestly, specially again given how bad the UFA class was, and with how stacked this draft supposedly was.
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Jul. 5, 2023 at 6:00 p.m.
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Quoting: Hawksguy81
That was a huge shock. Made the draft kind of boring.


I think the cap restrictions are one factor, but also players have far more willingness to express where they will extend and also exercise their NTCs. General managers were handing those out like candy for years and now the consequences are here as they are almost standard in any extended contract negotiation.
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