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Asking price for Saad with retention

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Team: 2023-24 Colorado Avalanche
Initial Creation Date: Jul. 6, 2023
Published: Jul. 6, 2023
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What’s the asking price for Saad with 50% retention?
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2$800,000
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  1. Saad, Brandon ($2,250,000 retained)
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  1. 2024 1st round pick (COL)
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$1,050,000$1,050,000
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$775,000$775,000
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Jul. 6, 2023 at 10:56 a.m.
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Doubt the blues are trading Saad right now and I think they don't consider retaining for 3 years
Jul. 6, 2023 at 10:59 a.m.
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Quoting: Tennisman142
Doubt the blues are trading Saad right now and I think they don't consider retaining for 3 years


I’m curious what direction STL was heading which is why I offered the picks. I thought a first was close and the third was thrown in to offset the retention
Jul. 6, 2023 at 10:59 a.m.
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Clayton Keller. sarcasm
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Jul. 6, 2023 at 11:02 a.m.
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i liked saad when he was here before, and him at 2.2mil is a solid deal but i look at him on 2nd line and i'm kinda like, meh. now if drouin hits and we could have him coming out third line then thats huge
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Jul. 6, 2023 at 11:04 a.m.
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i liked saad when he was here before, and him at 2.2mil is a solid deal but i look at him on 2nd line and i'm kinda like, meh. now if drouin hits and we could have him coming out third line then thats huge


This deal leans to the side of caution should the Drouin experiment fail. If Drouin works in the top 6, then Saad at 2.25mil on the third line is good value (not to mention he easily slides up to fill in for injury when needed)
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Jul. 6, 2023 at 11:12 a.m.
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Quoting: McRanteskog
This deal leans to the side of caution should the Drouin experiment fail. If Drouin works in the top 6, then Saad at 2.25mil on the third line is good value (not to mention he easily slides up to fill in for injury when needed)


i agree completely with you, this deal might be better chased down next year if landy doesn't return, then we can have solid depth again. we might need that 2.25 if landy does come back
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Jul. 6, 2023 at 11:12 a.m.
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I’m curious what direction STL was heading which is why I offered the picks. I thought a first was close and the third was thrown in to offset the retention


Value wise I don't know what Saad is worth but I have a hard time seeing the blues move him this year or retaining 50% for 3 years. I can't think of a trade we have done where we retained for longer than 1 year
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Jul. 6, 2023 at 11:18 a.m.
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Quoting: Tennisman142
Value wise I don't know what Saad is worth but I have a hard time seeing the blues move him this year or retaining 50% for 3 years. I can't think of a trade we have done where we retained for longer than 1 year


I was of the impression STL were rebuilding with picks based on the Tarasenko and O’Rielly trade returns. If the approach is to rebuild, the 1st and 3rd rd picks are what they want. Maybe a 3rd team gets involved to pickup the retention for the 3rd rd pick?
Jul. 6, 2023 at 11:19 a.m.
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For the Blues to hand the Avs Saad half-retained for three seasons? Umm more.
Jul. 6, 2023 at 11:21 a.m.
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For the Blues to hand the Avs Saad half-retained for three seasons? Umm more.


Let’s take emotion out of it for a second. Let’s say COL and STL are in different divisions, how far off am I on the offer?
Jul. 6, 2023 at 11:25 a.m.
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Let’s take emotion out of it for a second. Let’s say COL and STL are in different divisions, how far off am I on the offer?


They are not in different divisions. They are heated rivals in the same division, which means the Blues are not doing some huge favor to the Avs for market value. The Blues don't do that.

But taken out of context, you're still a little light. The retention amount/term would cost at least that 1st. Which means the Avs would be getting Saad at a 2.25M cap hit for three years for a deferred late 3rd. Which is not gonna fly in any context. Hope that helps.
Jul. 6, 2023 at 11:26 a.m.
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Quoting: McRanteskog
I was of the impression STL were rebuilding with picks based on the Tarasenko and O’Rielly trade returns. If the approach is to rebuild, the 1st and 3rd rd picks are what they want. Maybe a 3rd team gets involved to pickup the retention for the 3rd rd pick?


More of a retool. If Saad was on a 1 year contract I could see them trading him like Tarasenko and ROR. Saad is a decent vet that can help shelter the kids. If we are going to get rid of him it would be after this year.
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Jul. 6, 2023 at 11:36 a.m.
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They are not in different divisions. They are heated rivals in the same division, which means the Blues are not doing some huge favor to the Avs for market value. The Blues don't do that.

But taken out of context, you're still a little light. The retention amount/term would cost at least that 1st. Which means the Avs would be getting Saad at a 2.25M cap hit for three years for a deferred late 3rd. Which is not gonna fly in any context. Hope that helps.


I think the STL vs COL rivalry matters more to the Blues fans than it does to COL fans tbh at this point. COL dusted STL 4-0 and 4-2 the last two times they met in the playoffs. I focus more on those teams who most recently ended our playoff hopes (SEA, VGK and DAL). Maybe that’s just me though.

Thanks for the insight on the deal though. I thought perhaps if the cap space mattered that much to STL, a third team could be added to absorb the retention. What if trading Saad meant STL could try and lure back Tarasenko? Is that bridge burnt?
Jul. 6, 2023 at 11:38 a.m.
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More of a retool. If Saad was on a 1 year contract I could see them trading him like Tarasenko and ROR. Saad is a decent vet that can help shelter the kids. If we are going to get rid of him it would be after this year.


Half the allure here is that Saad would come with that term. Less term, less interest on my end
Jul. 6, 2023 at 11:51 a.m.
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Quoting: McRanteskog
Half the allure here is that Saad would come with that term. Less term, less interest on my end


Same with the blues. More term less likely they are retaining
Jul. 6, 2023 at 11:59 a.m.
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I think the STL vs COL rivalry matters more to the Blues fans than it does to COL fans tbh at this point. COL dusted STL 4-0 and 4-2 the last two times they met in the playoffs. I focus more on those teams who most recently ended our playoff hopes (SEA, VGK and DAL). Maybe that’s just me though.

Thanks for the insight on the deal though. I thought perhaps if the cap space mattered that much to STL, a third team could be added to absorb the retention. What if trading Saad meant STL could try and lure back Tarasenko? Is that bridge burnt?


1 - It has nothing to do with fans. It's about the teams. The Blues franchise rarely trades with rivals, and almost never anything with significant pieces and/or cap favors, and it takes a total fleece to get them to give something of value (eg; the Federko-Oates trade with Detroit). The Blues and Avs have not traded in 12 years, which was back before they were in the same division or rivals, AND the Avs were like the worst team in the league at the time. In over a decade at the helm, Army has made exactly two trades with a division rival: an AHLer swap with MINN in 2021 & the Paul Stastny rental trade in 2018 (which was very good value, and could have easily been a total fleece had Foley not suffered a career ending injury mere days after the trade).

2 - I certainly would not say that Tarasenko has a burnt bridge by any stretch, but toying with the wingers is pretty low on the Blues priority list right now, if it's on the list at all.
Jul. 6, 2023 at 12:14 p.m.
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1 - It has nothing to do with fans. It's about the teams. The Blues franchise rarely trades with rivals, and almost never anything with significant pieces and/or cap favors, and it takes a total fleece to get them to give something of value (eg; the Federko-Oates trade with Detroit). The Blues and Avs have not traded in 12 years, which was back before they were in the same division or rivals, AND the Avs were like the worst team in the league at the time. In over a decade at the helm, Army has made exactly two trades with a division rival: an AHLer swap with MINN in 2021 & the Paul Stastny rental trade in 2018 (which was very good value, and could have easily been a total fleece had Foley not suffered a career ending injury mere days after the trade).

2 - I certainly would not say that Tarasenko has a burnt bridge by any stretch, but toying with the wingers is pretty low on the Blues priority list right now, if it's on the list at all.


Hmm again, maybe that strengthens my argument that STL takes the rivalry more seriously than COL does because COL has made a handful of other trades with divisional opponents.

RyJo from NSH
Olofsson from DAL
JJ from CHI
Sturm from MIN
Kuemper from ARI
Soderberg from CHI
Pateryn from MIN

All within the last 2 years or so. While some deals are minor in nature, they communicate enough to make the deals happen
Jul. 6, 2023 at 12:37 p.m.
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I think this is a solid trade, but STL is in no position to retain money on a guy like Saad. 1) the abundance of cap room isn't there like a Chicago or Arizona. 2) STL doesn't want to push Saad out of the door. We might retain for krug (even then I doubt it) because we want to move on, but that just isn't the case with Saad.

I do agree with the division aspect of trading, but it isn't deep enough to warrant that much more. Mostly applies to top line/pairing players
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Jul. 6, 2023 at 12:39 p.m.
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Hmm again, maybe that strengthens my argument that STL takes the rivalry more seriously than COL does because COL has made a handful of other trades with divisional opponents.

RyJo from NSH
Olofsson from DAL
JJ from CHI
Sturm from MIN
Kuemper from ARI
Soderberg from CHI
Pateryn from MIN

All within the last 2 years or so. While some deals are minor in nature, they communicate enough to make the deals happen


Bro, you keep trying to make this about some competition with Colorado. It's not about Colorado. It's all division rivals, and this is just how the Blues choose to do things. Some teams have this as an unwritten franchise policy, or sometimes it's just specific to a certain GM. Some teams do not bother with this stuff at all.

Besides, these trades you list are all involving rather minor pieces and/or tanking teams. Hardly high stakes stuff.
Jul. 6, 2023 at 1:01 p.m.
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Bro, you keep trying to make this about some competition with Colorado. It's not about Colorado. It's all division rivals, and this is just how the Blues choose to do things. Some teams have this as an unwritten franchise policy, or sometimes it's just specific to a certain GM. Some teams do not bother with this stuff at all.

Besides, these trades you list are all involving rather minor pieces and/or tanking teams. Hardly high stakes stuff.


Wasn’t about making it a competition lol was moreso reinforcing the fact that COL has shown a willingness to trade within the division so if a hypothetical trade were to be proposed between the two sides, the only resistance I’d anticipate would be from the STL side (which supports your previous comment).

As for the trades, I acknowledged some were minor, not the Kuemper, RyJo or Sturm deals (cost them Jost who was a 10 OA pick).

I’d hardly classify a Saad trade as high stakes but I guess the angle I was trying to swing here was that if push came to shove and STL wanted to resign Tarasenko, and making this deal freed up enough cap to facilitate that signing, who knows?
Jul. 6, 2023 at 3:43 p.m.
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Wasn’t about making it a competition lol was moreso reinforcing the fact that COL has shown a willingness to trade within the division so if a hypothetical trade were to be proposed between the two sides, the only resistance I’d anticipate would be from the STL side (which supports your previous comment).

As for the trades, I acknowledged some were minor, not the Kuemper, RyJo or Sturm deals (cost them Jost who was a 10 OA pick).

I’d hardly classify a Saad trade as high stakes but I guess the angle I was trying to swing here was that if push came to shove and STL wanted to resign Tarasenko, and making this deal freed up enough cap to facilitate that signing, who knows?


I can't say that Vova won't somehow end up back in STL, but I doubt it's any sort of priority or that they'd cut Colorado a decent deal to clear space. And if somehow the Blues did listen to this Saad offer from the Avs I bet dollars to donuts the first thing they say is forget all that retention. The Blues won't be doing any Nashville favors for Colorado, that's for sure.
 
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