Not happening

Yeah no, Murray will likely be bought out or the only sweetener that has been heard going back with Murray is Robertson.

Why would Hawks help them like this. Seems terribly one sided in favor of the Leafs. Leafs need help in the present & should be made to pay for it w/their future.

I think any trade revolving around Murray going to CHI is past its "sell by" date.

Niemla is a top RD prospect that could actually be part of the Hawks future. Hawks definitely get something back in this deal.

He has got potential no doubt, but jury is still out. He is 21 & played a total of 6 games of North American hockey. Leafs are over a barrel & need to make something happen to get cap compliant. I think they should be paying more than 1 possible D prospect for this help.

No. Murray will be bought out most likely.

Not one sided, Timmins is a great bottom pair D/7th D but Niemela is an extremely good prospect.

I appreciate your opinion but will need to see more before I could agree.

Only team that can buy out Murray is the Leafs. If he is traded to the Hawks, he's here all season. And neither Korchinski or Niemela are ready to play in the NHL.

The problem with any Murray trade to CHI now is that the buyout window is closed (I think) for the Hawks to buy him out (a la Bailey). If that's true, it means we must keep him on the roster. And in so doing, we deprive Soderblom of NHL time HE needs to develop. And if we sent Soderblom down to the AHL again (unsure that's workable now in his case), it'd obstruct two other goalies we have down there from getting their development time.

That's why I say that the time of sending Murray to the Hawks has passed. I think CHI would have been willing to move up in the 2023 draft to get the Boston first round pick that TOR held, and give TOR a second in the deal. (I have to think that Easton Cown would still have been available in the second round, but who knows?) That way, Murry would be totally off TOR's books and TOR could still have had a good pick. Alas, that time has passed for the Hawks. Or, I should say, that any deal NOW for the Hawks to take Murray has to be a LOT better than before the buyout window closed. My sense is that TOR will just buy him out, now.

He's all yours. Good luck.

I don’t understand how other teams keep saying the leafs are bent over a barrel or in cap hell. We can easily buy Murray out and it costs 600k against the cap this year and 2 mil next. We have 17,650,000 in just Brodie, klingberg, Bertuzzi and domi expiring. And the cap is going up about 4 mil. We can afford to eat 2 mil buyout of Murray.

Why would we give up a ton of assets to move that contract?

If your Chicago you have 11 million in cap space this year with the team above. Why would you not try and weaponize that and get any assets you can?

To say that getting Timmins a young roster player and niemela a top D prospect is not enough is insane!

Why couldn’t you just bury Murray or Mrazek in the minors and take the assets?

Perhaps that is a possibility... Honestly, I don't know the arcane rules governing the process of "burying" someone in the minors. What are costs/limitations of doing that?

Leafs are currently almost 9 mil over the cap . Buying Murray out doesn’t get them compliant. They need to do something else & everyone knows it. The cap going up next year doesn’t help them in the here & now. Nothing personal, it’s just business.
Hawks got goalies in the minors they want to develop also , namely Commesso. Why take starts away from him for an old goalie, especially if the assets they would get are only mildly appealing?

They have to go through waivers and then a portion of the contract goes against the cap. Which wouldn’t be an issue for Chicago as they have plenty of cap space remaining.

But moving Muzzin to LTIR does get them cap compliant….

How much of a portion and for how long? Also, I assume "minors" means the AHL? So, a player "buried" there takes up a roster spot on that team, too? I wouldn't want Murray to take time and space away from our goalie development in Rockford, either. Do AHL teams have "healthy scratches"?

I guess I'd need to learn of the full costs, including opportunity costs (as in taking time and development away from others), before making a deal with this in mind. (Not that you have to provide them for me; I'd just need to know more about this option properly to evaluate such a deal.) If anyone can enlighten me (or steer me to a resource to do so, myself) , I'd appreciate it.

Cheers

I’m could be wrong but it appears that they are over cap w/Muzzin already on LTIR. Or am I reading it incorrectly?

Question about LTIR... My understanding is that the cap hit for all players - including those on LTIR - applies to the team roster and cap on the first day of the season. On the second day, the LTIR player(s) can then again count as "overage" that a team can use to exceed the cap. But not the first day. Is this correct? If so, any team exceeding the cap with an LTIR player must adjust their roster for that first day, limiting their flexibility, yes?

Sorry, I'm not a "capologist;" this area is murky to me, too.

It has him listed on LTIR but his cap hit is still counted. If you’re looking on the site. It says it right under the cap hit. Preseason LTIR candidate- $5,625,000. Were really only 3.2 over before a Murray buyout.

Thank you.

https://puckpedia.com/LTIR22

I would still consider Murray as a dump, but he is owed 6 million actual salary so the juice has to be worth the squeeze. Hawks can either float with 5 goalies playing the odds that Murray and Mrazek are unlikely to be healthy at the same time or the Hawks can buyout Mrazek and play Murray since Kurashev filed for arbitration opening a buyout window. But again...that is all contingent on enough value to taake on 6 million in salary. That is definately 1st rounder value in cost (ask your GM what it cost him to dump Monohan). Niemela develoment took a little step backward last season as opposed to the prior and he is 5'11 which makes him ever being inpactful as a D in the NHL a little longer odds. I would want a 2nd rounder with Niemela to consider taking Murray and could care less if Timmins is involved or if you keep him...Hawks have Seth Jones, Murphy, & Zaitsev as RHD with big contracts this season.

Thanks for this. Took a quick glance at it... Yikes! I guess this is why teams have capologists! Interesting and complex stuff to me. Gonna have to spend more time on it, truly to understand it.

Cheers