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Hellebuyck for Holtz

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Team: 2023-24 New Jersey Devils
Initial Creation Date: Jul. 7, 2023
Published: Jul. 7, 2023
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Jul. 7, 2023 at 1:57 p.m.
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I'll bet Jersey wants to see what his extension will be before making a deal.
Jul. 7, 2023 at 1:59 p.m.
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That should get the Jets talking at least.
Jul. 7, 2023 at 2:04 p.m.
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I'll bet Jersey wants to see what his extension will be before making a deal.


He wants 9-9.5Mx8, which is why NJ has given an offer but currently isn't desperate to land him. Probably helps that they have Schmid for the future and Vanecek being pretty solid.

Quoting: Windjammer
That should get the Jets talking at least.


From the sounds of it no one wants to pony up for Hellebuyck, so if that is the offer that's someone ponying up, they won't get more.
Jul. 7, 2023 at 2:08 p.m.
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He wants 9-9.5Mx8, which is why NJ has given an offer but currently isn't desperate to land him. Probably helps that they have Schmid for the future and Vanecek being pretty solid.



From the sounds of it no one wants to pony up for Hellebuyck, so if that is the offer that's someone ponying up, they won't get more.


I wouldn't do it if I were Jersey. If he turns into Bobrovsky 2.0 it will permanently destroy their cup contention chances. Goalies are so inconsistent and at his age he could enter age decline at any moment.
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Jul. 7, 2023 at 2:08 p.m.
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Devils might accept, but Hellebuyck would need to agree to a reasonable contract.
Jul. 7, 2023 at 2:22 p.m.
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I would make this trade without an extension if I am NJ.

Go for it now
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Jul. 7, 2023 at 2:25 p.m.
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Quoting: GMBL
From the sounds of it no one wants to pony up for Hellebuyck, so if that is the offer that's someone ponying up, they won't get more.


Maybe, maybe not. There's no hurry for the Jets I'd imagine, so they can wait until someone gets nervous about their position to get the deal they like. But this at least would be worth discussing, assuming Jets scouts like Holtz.
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Jul. 7, 2023 at 2:26 p.m.
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I'd do it in a heartbeat!
Jul. 7, 2023 at 2:29 p.m.
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Quoting: Windjammer
Maybe, maybe not. There's no hurry for the Jets I'd imagine, so they can wait until someone gets nervous about their position to get the deal they like. But this at least would be worth discussing, assuming Jets scouts like Holtz.


This in bold ^ ^ ^
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Jul. 7, 2023 at 2:38 p.m.
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Quoting: Windjammer
Maybe, maybe not. There's no hurry for the Jets I'd imagine, so they can wait until someone gets nervous about their position to get the deal they like. But this at least would be worth discussing, assuming Jets scouts like Holtz.


Yeah, Canadian teams have a good record of players re-signing with them and not leaving in UFA at first chance for nothing in return.
Jul. 7, 2023 at 2:39 p.m.
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Yeah, Canadian teams have a good record of players re-signing with them and not leaving in UFA at first chance for nothing in return.


Yup, because that's the only possible outcome unless the Jets trade Hellebuyck right now. sarcasm
Jul. 7, 2023 at 2:42 p.m.
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Quoting: Windjammer
Yup, because that's the only possible outcome unless the Jets trade Hellebuyck right now. sarcasm


Players are getting much more demanding in dictating where they play. More so than ever before. I would take Hellebuyck's request for a trade seriously. Though from my team's perspective, it would greatly benefit them if all these players went to UFA next year.
Jul. 7, 2023 at 2:56 p.m.
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Players are getting much more demanding in dictating where they play. More so than ever before. I would take Hellebuyck's request for a trade seriously. Though from my team's perspective, it would greatly benefit them if all these players went to UFA next year.


Sure, but he's still under contract for a full year and has no way of getting out of it. The Jets don't have to hurry. They can take their time and get the package they want.

Winnipeg fans just went through over a year of Montreal fans saying the Jets had no choice but to accept garbage from them in return for PLD. Did that happen? Of course not, because trades don't work that way. There's other options aside from him walking as a UFA unless the Jets trade him right now.
Jul. 7, 2023 at 3:06 p.m.
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Quoting: Windjammer
Sure, but he's still under contract for a full year and has no way of getting out of it. The Jets don't have to hurry. They can take their time and get the package they want.

Winnipeg fans just went through over a year of Montreal fans saying the Jets had no choice but to accept garbage from them in return for PLD. Did that happen? Of course not, because trades don't work that way. There's other options aside from him walking as a UFA unless the Jets trade him right now.


Dubois is entering his prime as a RFA at the most valued position. Hellebuyck is likely leaving his prime as a UFA at the most inconsistent position. Teams look at the comparables of Bobrovsky and Price very negatively. The best goalie return of the cap era remains Schneider who got a 9th overall pick in 2014. Huge packages coming back for a goalie just do not happen.
Jul. 7, 2023 at 3:55 p.m.
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Dubois is entering his prime as a RFA at the most valued position. Hellebuyck is likely leaving his prime as a UFA at the most inconsistent position. Teams look at the comparables of Bobrovsky and Price very negatively. The best goalie return of the cap era remains Schneider who got a 9th overall pick in 2014. Huge packages coming back for a goalie just do not happen.


Yup, in don't think anybody is expecting a huge package. I'm just pointing out that your assertion of "trade Hellebuyck now or lose him for nothing" isn't realistic or consistent with historical comparables.
 
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