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Crouse

Created by: csick
Team: 2023-24 Ottawa Senators
Initial Creation Date: Jul. 13, 2023
Published: Jul. 13, 2023
Salary Cap Mode: Basic
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
2$2,600,000
2$800,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
1$900,000
Trades
ARI
  1. Joseph, Mathieu
  2. Thomson, Lassi
  3. 2024 1st round pick (DET)
Buyouts
Retained Salary Transactions
DraftRound 1Round 2Round 3Round 4Round 5Round 6Round 7
2024
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2025
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2026
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ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
22$83,500,000$83,354,880$0$1,850,000$145,120
Left WingCentreRight Wing
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$8,205,714$8,205,714
LW
UFA - 5
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$8,350,000$8,350,000
C
UFA - 8
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$6,500,000$6,500,000
RW, C
NMC
UFA - 2
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$4,300,000$4,300,000
LW, RW
UFA - 4
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$7,950,000$7,950,000
C
UFA - 7
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$4,975,000$4,975,000
RW, LW
UFA - 4
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$863,333$863,333
C, LW
RFA - 2
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$2,600,000$2,600,000
C
RFA - 1
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$2,500,000$2,500,000
LW, RW
UFA - 1
$900,000$900,000
C, LW
UFA - 2
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$835,000$835,000
C, RW
RFA - 2
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$800,000$800,000
LW
RFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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$8,000,000$8,000,000
LD
UFA - 5
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$4,600,000$4,600,000
LD/RD
M-NTC
UFA - 2
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$4,000,000$4,000,000
G
M-NTC
UFA - 5
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$925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$1,850,000$2M)
LD
UFA - 1
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$4,600,000$4,600,000
RD
M-NTC
UFA - 4
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$2,750,000$2,750,000
G
UFA - 2
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$2,000,000$2,000,000
LD/RD, LW
RFA - 1
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$1,100,000$1,100,000
RD
NMC
UFA - 2
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
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$775,000$775,000
RW, C
UFA - 3
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$805,000$805,000
RD
RFA - 2

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Jul. 13, 2023 at 1:27 p.m.
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I'd be a bit nervous that Crouse becomes a cap dump in the next 18 months.
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Jul. 13, 2023 at 1:50 p.m.
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I suggested adding Crouse awhile ago and Sens fans didn't like me for it lol
Jul. 13, 2023 at 2:19 p.m.
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No way I would give up a first in any package for crouse and that contract.
Jul. 13, 2023 at 2:47 p.m.
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Joseph is a cap dump, Thomson can be had for free on waivers before the season, and that Boston pick is still going to be in the 20s, not to mention they’re not trading crouse anyways.
Jul. 14, 2023 at 11:52 a.m.
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Joseph is a cap dump, Thomson can be had for free on waivers before the season, and that Boston pick is still going to be in the 20s, not to mention they’re not trading crouse anyways.


Salary for salary trades doesn't work the same as a team sending salary without taking salary back

How it works here is that Crouse is a significant upgrade on Joseph. Arizona need incentives to do it but also need a reason (are they still retooling? Rebuilding? Why would they trade Crouse?)

Crouse makes 1.305 AAV more per season but the gap between the 2 is more than that

They are both good defensively although Joseph has much better PK metrics (he's top percentile in that category year after year)

Crouse gives you about 15 pts more per 82 games so that's what the Sens would have to pay MINUS the PK ability and the difference in AAV

How much is that worth? I think 2/3 of what DeBrincat returned* is MORE THAN FAIR and probably even too much


* 1st is the same as in the cat trade. Thomson is easily worth 4th + Sebrango. The difference is Kubalik
 
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