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Suter

Created by: Cub19
Team: 2023-24 Colorado Avalanche
Initial Creation Date: Jul. 13, 2023
Published: Jul. 13, 2023
Salary Cap Mode: Basic
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Maybe the avs can get suter for 2 million.

Basically traded girard to whoever to shed cap to sign depth up front.
Jones is a cheaper version of girard.
Foote and manson would be shutdown.
Johnson would serve as 7th dmen.

Meyers and olofsson would be 13/14 forwards

Leave them with 2 million for trade deadline
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
2$925,000
6$3,400,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
3$2,500,000
2$1,200,000
4$1,200,000
2$950,000
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  1. Girard, Samuel
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Trade Girard to whoever to shed cap.
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2024
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2025
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2026
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ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
23$83,500,000$80,887,500$637,500$0$2,612,500
Left WingCentreRight Wing
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$4,500,000$4,500,000
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NTC
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$12,600,000$12,600,000
C
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$9,250,000$9,250,000
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M-NTC
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$825,000$825,000
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UFA - 1
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$4,000,000$4,000,000
C, RW
UFA - 2
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$6,125,000$6,125,000
RW, LW
NMC
UFA - 7
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$2,500,000$2,500,000
LW
UFA - 6
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$3,400,000$3,400,000
C, LW
UFA - 4
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$1,050,000$1,050,000
RW, LW
UFA - 2
$1,200,000$1,200,000
LW, RW
UFA - 1
$2,500,000$2,500,000
C, LW
UFA - 2
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$825,000$825,000
LW
UFA - 1
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$925,000$925,000
LW, C
UFA - 1
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$775,000$775,000
C, LW
UFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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LD
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RD
UFA - 4
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$3,400,000$3,400,000
G
UFA - 2
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$3,850,000$3,850,000
LD/RD
RFA - 2
$1,200,000$1,200,000
LD/RD
UFA - 1
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$2,000,000$2,000,000
G
UFA - 1
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$4,500,000$4,500,000
RD
NTC
UFA - 3
$950,000$950,000
RD
RFA - 1
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$775,000$775,000
LD
UFA - 1
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
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$7,000,000$7,000,000
LW, C
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UFA - 6

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Jul. 13, 2023 at 3:09 p.m.
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At this point you probably get him for less and keep girard
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Jul. 13, 2023 at 3:10 p.m.
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Bovquest would be a comparable and he just signed for league min
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Jul. 13, 2023 at 3:13 p.m.
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I like Suter, but moving Girard to get a 4th line center and essentially downgrade at D is a stretch. There is a reason why the Suters, Heinens, Noseks, etc. are available. They're just depth guys. Grab a couple and roll.
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Jul. 13, 2023 at 3:14 p.m.
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Just a heads up. Colton isn’t a center. He has played and can play center yes. He is decent at faceoffs, and his defensive game is fine. But he’s a much better winger. He’s an offensive chaser, forechecker, and net driver. A play driver he is not. He’s better suited playing wing. This team needs more center depth
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Jul. 13, 2023 at 3:20 p.m.
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No need to trade Girard. Because Landy is opening the season on LTIR, that $2.6M in capspace disappears on opening night as Landy's LTIR amount would shrink by the $2.6. so you've turned Girard into Foote and Jones when we could sign one of them without moving Girard.
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Jul. 13, 2023 at 3:22 p.m.
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I don't think we need to get rid of Girard to afford a guy like Suter. I think we realistically can get one guy like Suter (who I like a lot) or Ritchie (again, big fan) to round out our depth. But Meyers will need to play and should be given ever opportunity.
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Jul. 13, 2023 at 3:22 p.m.
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Quoting: Steven_Stamkos
Just a heads up. Colton isn’t a center. He has played and can play center yes. He is decent at faceoffs, and his defensive game is fine. But he’s a much better winger. He’s an offensive chaser, forechecker, and net driver. A play driver he is not. He’s better suited playing wing. This team needs more center depth


Personally I think you're right, but it does appear that the Avs have likely acquired him to at least give him a look at C. Maybe they envision him as their new Swiss Army Knife 'a la JTC' but I'd prefer they actually target a Swiss guy for that in Suter lol.
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Jul. 13, 2023 at 3:22 p.m.
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Quoting: Steven_Stamkos
Just a heads up. Colton isn’t a center. He has played and can play center yes. He is decent at faceoffs, and his defensive game is fine. But he’s a much better winger. He’s an offensive chaser, forechecker, and net driver. A play driver he is not. He’s better suited playing wing. This team needs more center depth


I've heard this from a few bolts fans. I think our plan is to start him at 3C but Bednar has a notoriously short leash (like Cooper) for poor play at the center position. Good to know.
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Jul. 13, 2023 at 3:51 p.m.
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Quoting: Steven_Stamkos
Just a heads up. Colton isn’t a center. He has played and can play center yes. He is decent at faceoffs, and his defensive game is fine. But he’s a much better winger. He’s an offensive chaser, forechecker, and net driver. A play driver he is not. He’s better suited playing wing. This team needs more center depth


Thank you for your insight I feel avs lack depth at center position hence why I think they do colton as 3rd center for now unless they get a center like nosek maybe. Wood nosek colton
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Jul. 13, 2023 at 3:57 p.m.
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Personally I think you're right, but it does appear that the Avs have likely acquired him to at least give him a look at C. Maybe they envision him as their new Swiss Army Knife 'a la JTC' but I'd prefer they actually target a Swiss guy for that in Suter lol.


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No need to trade Girard. Because Landy is opening the season on LTIR, that $2.6M in capspace disappears on opening night as Landy's LTIR amount would shrink by the $2.6. so you've turned Girard into Foote and Jones when we could sign one of them without moving Girard.


Avs are -200k in cap space and have 6.8 million in LTIR.

Colton is gonna eat at last half of the LTIR and meyers will eat 925k at least but he can be buried in the minors .that leaves you with 3.2 million of LTIR. Assuming suter gets 2.5 that leaves you with about 700K. With that being said avs are gonna have trouble calling up players due to injury since they only have 700k.

That's why if you trade Girard you get alot more depth forward wise and defensive wise.
Jul. 13, 2023 at 4:15 p.m.
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Avs are -200k in cap space and have 6.8 million in LTIR.

Colton is gonna eat at last half of the LTIR and meyers will eat 925k at least but he can be buried in the minors .that leaves you with 3.2 million of LTIR. Assuming suter gets 2.5 that leaves you with about 700K. With that being said avs are gonna have trouble calling up players due to injury since they only have 700k.

That's why if you trade Girard you get alot more depth forward wise and defensive wise.


You could trade Girad and I'm not totally opposed to it, but you're banking on extending Toews if you do. Suter also probably doesn't cost 2.5 mil. Look at what guys are signing for just to get a game and how many still aren't signed. Suter will likely be having to take a serious pay cut to continue in the NHL as with many others. Reality of the cap.
Jul. 13, 2023 at 4:31 p.m.
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Edited Jul. 13, 2023 at 4:49 p.m.
Quoting: Cub19
Avs are -200k in cap space and have 6.8 million in LTIR.

Colton is gonna eat at last half of the LTIR and meyers will eat 925k at least but he can be buried in the minors .that leaves you with 3.2 million of LTIR. Assuming suter gets 2.5 that leaves you with about 700K. With that being said avs are gonna have trouble calling up players due to injury since they only have 700k.

That's why if you trade Girard you get alot more depth forward wise and defensive wise.


Exactly my point. By they time they add Colton and Meyers contracts, they have no chance to get under the cap on opening night. If you use LTIR to get under the cap on opening night, the team no longer is allowed to accrue cap space during the season until they get under the cap without LTIR. and the LTIR usage is capped at what is required to get them under. So in this scenario, Gabe's LTIR allowance goes from $7M to around $4.5M because you left $2.5M unused.

The Avs best course of action is to field a 23 man roster as close to 83.5M as they can get and then send guys down as they need to in order to gain that cap space back. Trading Girard and not using all of that space to make the overall roster better this season is an awful idea. I get you want to move Girard for cap flexibility, but they are better off waiting until next summer to move any of the defensemen unless they are getting top quality return for them.

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Long Term Injured Reserve (LTIR) - High Level Overview - From Puckpedia
-To qualify for LTIR, a player must be expected to miss at least 10 NHL Games AND 24 days of the NHL season
-When a player is on LTIR, a team may exceed the salary cap. Despite the common misconception, LTIR does not remove a Cap Hit from a team’s overall Cap Hit, it just potentially allows the team to exceed the salary cap.
-The amount that a team may exceed the salary cap due to LTIR is commonly referred to as the “LTIR Pool”
-If a team is cap compliant on opening day without using LTIR, or uses LTIR at any point during the season, the LTIR Pool is the Cap Hit of the LTIR player less the team’s cap space when the player goes on LTIR. For example, if a player with a $4M Cap Hit goes on LTIR when the team has $100K of Cap Space, the LTIR pool is $3.9M ($4M-$0.1M). Because of this, team’s often make several roster moves right before a player goes on LTIR in order to be as close to the cap as possible, in order to maximize the LTIR Pool
-If a team cannot be cap compliant on opening day without using LTIR, the LTIR Pool is the amount the team exceeds the Cap. For example, if a team is $3M over the Cap and places a player on LTIR with a $4M Cap Hit for the opening roster submission, the LTIR Pool is the $3M that the team exceeded the cap
-While on LTIR, Cap Space is no longer accrued, meaning any portion of the LTIR pool not used cannot be used later.

-When a player comes off LTIR, the team’s annual cap hit for that day must be under the Cap
Jul. 13, 2023 at 5:07 p.m.
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Quoting: Avsfantrumpetman
I've heard this from a few bolts fans. I think our plan is to start him at 3C but Bednar has a notoriously short leash (like Cooper) for poor play at the center position. Good to know.


MacFarland called him the C and, if the brass tell him that's where he's expected to play, that's where he'll play; there isn't another C coming unless they sign someone else but who would that be?
Jul. 13, 2023 at 5:28 p.m.
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Quoting: NMAvsFan
MacFarland called him the C and, if the brass tell him that's where he's expected to play, that's where he'll play; there isn't another C coming unless they sign someone else but who would that be?


Dude I have no idea. All I know is if it doesn't work at C, knowing Bednar's history something is going to have to give. Coach doesn't put up with people not producing where he wants them to produce.
Jul. 14, 2023 at 11:20 a.m.
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Dude I have no idea. All I know is if it doesn't work at C, knowing Bednar's history something is going to have to give. Coach doesn't put up with people not producing where he wants them to produce.


When a coach has no other options, they have to get whatever they have to work. Bednar is a good coach but he's basically out of options when things don't work. All the young guys are gone, it's a veteran team (just the way he likes it) so he has to make what the brass gives him work. Drouin has to be in the top six (because he literally cannot play down the lineup; he's reeeeeeeeaaaaaaly bad defensively) and Colton has to be the 3C. One thing I will say is that there is a bit of an unhealthy obsession with what position players play; if the players are good (offensively and defensively), where you line them up is somewhat trivial. The Avs play a triangle style with their forwards so it's not like they're strictly adhering to their positions. I do agree putting someone like Suter on the third line would make that line pretty damn good plus he can play some C.
 
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