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What I would do to end the summer

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Jul. 18, 2023 at 10:50 a.m.
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I'd like to see Malgin back. Cheap and seemed to fit the system so not a lot of uncertainty there. Ideally, we'd squeeze in a depth d-guy, too.
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Jul. 18, 2023 at 11:03 a.m.
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Man if we could get Malgin AND Suter I would call this offseason a huge win. Not sure we get both, but I think one or the other is a definite possibility. Kovalenko can't/won't sign until after the current KHL season. And even then, his signing will be a dicey one. He will likely only sign a one-way contract, and I'm not sure CMAC gives that to him. I'm still not counting those chickens until they hatch lol.
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Jul. 18, 2023 at 11:04 a.m.
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I'd like to see Malgin back. Cheap and seemed to fit the system so not a lot of uncertainty there. Ideally, we'd squeeze in a depth d-guy, too.


I wouldn't mind seeing another D get added, but they probably need to have a contract similar to Hunt's so that they can bounce between the AHL and NHL. But I'm not sure there is room. Avs currently have 7 D under contract. Eagles have 8, and Hanzel is looking at either an ELC or an overage year - likely depending on if the Avs want any of those AHL guys to move down to the ECHL.

Expecting Hunt and Malinski to fill the 7/8 D roles and be call ups when needed. Hunt can be swapped with Olofsson as often as needed if the Avs can get him through waivers. Would also have the option of dropping Meyers down if he struggles and play Suter at 4C.
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Jul. 18, 2023 at 11:05 a.m.
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Man if we could get Malgin AND Suter I would call this offseason a huge win. Not sure we get both, but I think one or the other is a definite possibility. Kovalenko can't/won't sign until after the current KHL season. And even then, his signing will be a dicey one. He will likely only sign a one-way contract, and I'm not sure CMAC gives that to him. I'm still not counting those chickens until they hatch lol.


Yeah, Kovalenko would be March/April. But if he has another PPG season in the KHL, he can come over and push Suter to 4C for the playoff run.
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Jul. 18, 2023 at 11:05 a.m.
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Flip the Meyers and Malgin deals, Malgin shouldn’t get paid a penny less than Meyers does
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Jul. 18, 2023 at 11:09 a.m.
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Yeah, Kovalenko would be March/April. But if he has another PPG season in the KHL, he can come over and push Suter to 4C for the playoff run.


Let's hope that's the case. We severely need a win in the prospect development category (even though we had zero to do with his development lol).
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Jul. 18, 2023 at 11:12 a.m.
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Flip the Meyers and Malgin deals, Malgin shouldn’t get paid a penny less than Meyers does


If Malgin can get more than league min, good for him. And if he was going to get more than that, I think he would have gotten it by now. I'm not paying an undersized wing that has struggled to stick in the NHL more than league min. The Avs didn't give him a QO, because they didn't feel he was worth the million+ he would get in arbitration. League min with a guaranteed 775k in the AHL or an out to go back to Europe if he doesn't make the roster out of camp seems more than fair.
Jul. 18, 2023 at 11:18 a.m.
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If Malgin can get more than league min, good for him. And if he was going to get more than that, I think he would have gotten it by now. I'm not paying an undersized wing that has struggled to stick in the NHL more than league min. The Avs didn't give him a QO, because they didn't feel he was worth the million+ he would get in arbitration. League min with a guaranteed 775k in the AHL or an out to go back to Europe if he doesn't make the roster out of camp seems more than fair.


I think they were worried about a number above 1.5 or 2 in arbitration. Look at what Tampa ended up handing Jeannot. Yeah, Malgin hasn't been consistent but he's now got two seasons where he's scored more than 10 goals in the NHL. That's still worth something. I think a deal right at 1 is still fair for him, and frankly what he showed us last year tells me that we don't need those minor league options for him. In fact, I'm starting to wonder if the 2-way deal is what's holding up Meyers. I'll bet CMAC wants that minor league option for him and his camp doesn't want that.
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Jul. 18, 2023 at 11:21 a.m.
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Yeah, Kovalenko would be March/April. But if he has another PPG season in the KHL, he can come over and push Suter to 4C for the playoff run.


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Flip the Meyers and Malgin deals, Malgin shouldn’t get paid a penny less than Meyers does


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I think they were worried about a number above 1.5 or 2 in arbitration. Look at what Tampa ended up handing Jeannot. Yeah, Malgin hasn't been consistent but he's now got two seasons where he's scored more than 10 goals in the NHL. That's still worth something. I think a deal right at 1 is still fair for him, and frankly what he showed us last year tells me that we don't need those minor league options for him. In fact, I'm starting to wonder if the 2-way deal is what's holding up Meyers. I'll bet CMAC wants that minor league option for him and his camp doesn't want that.


Peter Baugh reporting now that Malgin is headed back to Swiss League.
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Jul. 18, 2023 at 11:22 a.m.
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Peter Baugh reporting now that Malgin is headed back to Swiss League.


But I wanted to keep speculating! Speculating is the best!
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Jul. 18, 2023 at 11:23 a.m.
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I think they were worried about a number above 1.5 or 2 in arbitration. Look at what Tampa ended up handing Jeannot. Yeah, Malgin hasn't been consistent but he's now got two seasons where he's scored more than 10 goals in the NHL. That's still worth something. I think a deal right at 1 is still fair for him, and frankly what he showed us last year tells me that we don't need those minor league options for him. In fact, I'm starting to wonder if the 2-way deal is what's holding up Meyers. I'll bet CMAC wants that minor league option for him and his camp doesn't want that.


On Meyers - I would guess its the AHL salary that is holding the deal up. Would guess he is pushing for a deal that guarantees his full NHL salary in the AHL.

On Malgin - He was so bad the 3 years after that 11 goal season in FLA that he ended up back in the Swiss league. I like what he provides as a depth forward, but he is really small and shouldn't be more than a 13th/14th F for the Avs. The most I'm paying for that is league min and out clause to go back to Europe if he doesn't want to play in the AHL. If he can get more somewhere else, then I'm not not going to lose any sleep.
Jul. 18, 2023 at 11:26 a.m.
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On Meyers - I would guess its the AHL salary that is holding the deal up. Would guess he is pushing for a deal that guarantees his full NHL salary in the AHL.

On Malgin - He was so bad the 3 years after that 11 goal season in FLA that he ended up back in the Swiss league. I like what he provides as a depth forward, but he is really small and shouldn't be more than a 13th/14th F for the Avs. The most I'm paying for that is league min and out clause to go back to Europe if he doesn't want to play in the AHL. If he can get more somewhere else, then I'm not not going to lose any sleep.


Definitely the AHL salary holding up Meyers. And now the Malgin debate is pointless lol. I think you were right, that inconsistency got him in the end. Don't blame him for going back to Switzerland. He can dominate over there to a degree and probably likes living there better anyway.
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Jul. 18, 2023 at 11:32 a.m.
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Definitely the AHL salary holding up Meyers. And now the Malgin debate is pointless lol. I think you were right, that inconsistency got him in the end. Don't blame him for going back to Switzerland. He can dominate over there to a degree and probably likes living there better anyway.


Yeah, I think he was looking for a guaranteed spot. But most teams viewed him as a fringe NHL player. A guaranteed spot in the swiss league was probably more appealing than trying to make an NHL roster and then looking for a spot in the swiss league if it didn't work out here.
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Jul. 18, 2023 at 11:59 a.m.
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If Malgin can get more than league min, good for him. And if he was going to get more than that, I think he would have gotten it by now. I'm not paying an undersized wing that has struggled to stick in the NHL more than league min. The Avs didn't give him a QO, because they didn't feel he was worth the million+ he would get in arbitration. League min with a guaranteed 775k in the AHL or an out to go back to Europe if he doesn't make the roster out of camp seems more than fair.


Chill chill chill homie.
Are you Meyers agent or something?

All I was saying is that Malgin is worth more than whatever Meyers gets. The reason COL didn’t qualify Malgin is because he had arbitration rights and given his bump in offensive production, COL would have lost that arbitration. By not qualifying him, it leaves the door open to still sign him to a figure COL was comfortable with whilst avoiding putting themselves at the mercy of an Arbitrator by qualifying him.
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Jul. 18, 2023 at 12:23 p.m.
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Chill chill chill homie.
Are you Meyers agent or something?

All I was saying is that Malgin is worth more than whatever Meyers gets. The reason COL didn’t qualify Malgin is because he had arbitration rights and given his bump in offensive production, COL would have lost that arbitration. By not qualifying him, it leaves the door open to still sign him to a figure COL was comfortable with whilst avoiding putting themselves at the mercy of an Arbitrator by qualifying him.


Lol. Definitely not Meyers agent. Just disagree on the value of the players. An undersized wing that ended up back in the swiss league just holds less value to me than a center with solid underlying analytics. I'm surprised that Meyers hasn't gotten a deal done yet as he hasn't done enough to show he deserves more than his 875k QO. Just guessing he is going to need slightly more money either on the NHL or AHL end of the contract. His cap hit the last 2 years has been 912.5k. Expecting a deal to get done somewhere around 1M +/- 100k.
Jul. 18, 2023 at 12:31 p.m.
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Lol. Definitely not Meyers agent. Just disagree on the value of the players. An undersized wing that ended up back in the swiss league just holds less value to me than a center with solid underlying analytics. I'm surprised that Meyers hasn't gotten a deal done yet as he hasn't done enough to show he deserves more than his 875k QO. Just guessing he is going to need slightly more money either on the NHL or AHL end of the contract. His cap hit the last 2 years has been 912.5k. Expecting a deal to get done somewhere around 1M +/- 100k.


You are definitely drinking some Ben Meyers branded koolaid there brother if you think Malgin isn’t a more valuable player than Meyers. Malgins speed and offensive production outshines Meyers considerably. Factor in the fact that Malgin had the skill set to play up in the lineup on numerous occasions, something Meyers can’t do.

Interested in what “underlying” Meyers numbers you are talking about here. Dude managed 0 assists in 39 nhl games on a top10 offensive team lol, how? Not to mention only 4 goals( 2 of which came in the same game) so if you were to negate that game, it leaves him with a whopping 2g 0a in 38games

And drop the undersized angle here. Meyers himself is no giant at 5-11 190lbs lol
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Jul. 18, 2023 at 12:51 p.m.
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You are definitely drinking some Ben Meyers branded koolaid there brother if you think Malgin isn’t a more valuable player than Meyers. Malgin a speed and offensive production outshines Meyers considerably. Factor in the fact that Malgin had the skill set to play up in the lineup on numerous occasions, something Meyers can’t do.

Interested in what “underlying” Meyers numbers you are talking about here. Dude managed 0 assists in 39 nhl games on a top10 offensive team lol, how? Not to mention only 4 goals( 2 of which came in the same game) so if you were to negate that game, it leaves him with a whopping 2g 0a in 38games

And drop the undersized angle here. Meyers himself is no giant at 5-11 190lbs lol


As someone who has been drinking the Meyers Kool-aid since we signed him, I think this is very valid. I want him to work out, but statistically, it wouldn't shock me if we just don't bring him back at all this year.
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