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Wings probably just keep Raymond. Lucas well be 23-24 when this team is finally competitive, Nylander will be 29-30.

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Jul. 19, 2023 at 8:45 a.m.

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Quoting: Lancebmx

Wings probably just keep Raymond. Lucas well be 23-24 when this team is finally competitive, Nylander will be 29-30.

That's clearly the logical thought. The moves the Wings made recently makes me feel like they want to compete this season in a weakened Atlantic

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Jul. 19, 2023 at 8:47 a.m.

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Not paying Raymond for rental Willie. Rather sign him as a UFA next July. You can have Fabs. Good player. Hardly plays.

Jul. 19, 2023 at 8:50 a.m.

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Not paying that for rental Willie. Rather sign him as a UFA next July.

Ah yes, this website's favorite quote. Sign them when they're a UFA next season !

While I feel like the Wings would have a legit chance to entertain a Nylander offer with them pretty much being team Sweden, there are still 31 other teams that would be bidding for his services.

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Jul. 19, 2023 at 8:57 a.m.

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Its a solid trade that Yzerman would probably accept.

Only issue, like you said, is what Nylander's next contract would look like. I hate the idea of paying a guy over $10M a year, unless it's a select few.

Jul. 19, 2023 at 8:58 a.m.

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Not only that, but Yzerman would NEVER give up Raymond for a rental. There would obviously be a sign and trade situation here.

The amount of posters that don't get that on here is mind-boggling.

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Jul. 19, 2023 at 9:02 a.m.

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Quoting: CapFriendlysFinest

That's clearly the logical thought. The moves the Wings made recently makes me feel like they want to compete this season in a weakened Atlantic

I think you misinterpret this offseasons moves then. The idea was to get better as to start building a winning culture, but I don't think it's to be competitive. I think the Wings timeline starts in 2-3 years. The majority of the players we have now will be gone by then. The rest will likely just be in support rolls to insulate the younger players. We are better compared to last year, I hope anyways, but I don't see playoffs for this team and as I stated earlier and the trade, probably doesn't happen.

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Jul. 19, 2023 at 9:05 a.m.

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Sorry why does this trade favor the wings?

Jul. 19, 2023 at 9:07 a.m.

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Quoting: PuzzledActuary

Smarter to keep the younger player who has proven he can play on the first line.

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Jul. 19, 2023 at 9:09 a.m.

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Quoting: Lancebmx

It's still to be competitive. It's just to try and do it without ruining the development of prospects. The hope is to compete for a spot and in 4 years all the old guys are out, the guys like Copp and Compher become the old guys, and the prospects make the leap. The hope is we compete for the next 4 years while continuing to slot prospects1 or 2 at a time into the lineup.

But this offseason was absolutely not to be Stanley cup competitive. Just wild card competitive

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Jul. 19, 2023 at 9:10 a.m.

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Quoting: DRW2025

Smarter to keep the younger player who has proven he can play on the first line.

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Smarter to keep the younger player who has proven he can play on the first line.

Nylander is only 27 and at this juncture about 10x the player that Raymond is. Please don't be another RW homer on here that can't understand the value of players.

Only issue here is salary.

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Jul. 19, 2023 at 9:14 a.m.

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I just don't think this is wise considering how our team is set up.
As previously said, Raymond will be about to hit his peak when we're vying for a cup whereas Nylander will be on the recession; just shortens the window.
Contracts definitely cause issues as well.

In a vacuum, this definitely favors Detroit, but, we ain't in a vacuum.

Jul. 19, 2023 at 9:18 a.m.

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I didn't meant competitive like a cup contender, obviously the idea is to get back to the playoffs soon.

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Jul. 19, 2023 at 9:19 a.m.

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Quoting: PuzzledActuary

Nylander is only 27 and at this juncture about 10x the player that Raymond is. Please don't be another RW homer on here that can't understand the value of players.

Only issue here is salary.

10X!?!?!?!?

Jul. 19, 2023 at 9:19 a.m.

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Quoting: PuzzledActuary

Not only that, but Yzerman would NEVER give up Raymond for a rental. There would obviously be a sign and trade situation here.

The amount of posters that don't get that on here is mind-boggling.

"Its a solid trade that Yzerman would probably accept."

We have a flip-flopper here. Stop embarrassing yourself, hypocrite.

Jul. 19, 2023 at 9:20 a.m.

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Nylander is only 27 and at this juncture about 10x the player that Raymond is. Please don't be another RW homer on here that can't understand the value of players.

Only issue here is salary.

You know nothing.

Jul. 19, 2023 at 9:21 a.m.

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Quoting: DRW2025

10X!?!?!?!?

Guy is out to lunch. Raymond is 21 years old FFS.

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Jul. 19, 2023 at 9:23 a.m.

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Quoting: DRW2025

10X!?!?!?!?

Nylander is a top 15/20 player in the league. Raymond isn't even close.

Now of course Raymond is younger, and playing on a far worse team, but you're comparing apples and oranges. Raymond also looked quite mundane last year (let's hope it's a sophomore slump) on both the offensive and defensive side of the puck.

To suggest that this trade doesn't benefit the Wings simply due to age is nonsense. It immediately benefits the Wings in a massive way.

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Jul. 19, 2023 at 9:23 a.m.

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Quoting: MoreHitzSeider

"Its a solid trade that Yzerman would probably accept."

We have a flip-flopper here. Stop embarrassing yourself, hypocrite.

lololol....you don't even get it.

Reading is hard, I know.

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Jul. 19, 2023 at 9:26 a.m.

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Quoting: DRW2025

Sorry why does this trade favor the wings?

You should be sorry for not knowing this answer. Nylander is both a vastly superior player currently AND was a vastly superior player at 21 compared to Raymond and obviously Fabbri.

Jul. 19, 2023 at 9:26 a.m.

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Quoting: DRW2025

10X!?!?!?!?

Quoting: PuzzledActuary

I don't think Nylander is top 20 in the league. Top 10 for RWs sure.

I think for sure this trade benefits the Wings but to suggest that Nylander is 10 times the value of Raymond is silly. You hope that Raymond could turn into what Nylander currently is, but even if he didn't, I still see Raymond as a 65 point guy, which is a great player in todays NHL.

Jul. 19, 2023 at 9:27 a.m.

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Quoting: PuzzledActuary

What does Nylander do well? Put up points. Where did Nylander finish in scoring? 20th. Calling him a top 20 player is wrong. Forward, maybe.

Regardless, trading Raymond for him is dumb. Not because Raymond is better, but because he is cheaper, younger and has a high ceiling. That's what the wings want.

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Jul. 19, 2023 at 9:27 a.m.

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You should be sorry for not knowing this answer. Nylander is both a vastly superior player currently AND was a vastly superior player at 21 compared to Raymond and obviously Fabbri.

I know but Nylander is expensive. That is always a factor in making tades.

Jul. 19, 2023 at 9:29 a.m.

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10x the player, not necessarily the value.

But yes, you can argue top 20 in the league or not all day long.

Jul. 19, 2023 at 9:29 a.m.

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