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Team: 2023-24 Toronto Maple Leafs
Initial Creation Date: Jul. 20, 2023
Published: Jul. 20, 2023
Salary Cap Mode: Basic
Free Agent Signings
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
1$2,250,000
Trades
1.
TOR
  1. Larsson, Adam
  2. Wright, Shane
  3. 2024 1st round pick (SEA)
2.
TOR
  1. Karlsson, Erik ($3,000,000 retained)
SJS
  1. Liljegren, Timothy
  2. Robertson, Nicholas
  3. 2024 1st round pick (TOR)
  4. 2024 3rd round pick (NYI)
3.
TOR
  1. Dostal, Lukas
  2. 2024 2nd round pick (BOS)
ANA
  1. Samsonov, Ilya [RFA Rights]
4.
TOR
  1. 2026 2nd round pick (VAN)
DraftRound 1Round 2Round 3Round 4Round 5Round 6Round 7
2024
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2025
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2026
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ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
22$83,500,000$81,650,116$0$0$1,849,884
Left WingCentreRight Wing
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$6,962,366$6,962,366
RW
NMC
UFA - 1
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$11,640,250$11,640,250
C
NMC
UFA - 1
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$5,500,000$5,500,000
LW, RW
NMC
UFA - 1
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$11,000,000$11,000,000
C, LW
NMC
UFA - 2
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$918,333$918,333
C
RFA - 4
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$3,000,000$3,000,000
C, RW
M-NTC
UFA - 1
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$925,000$925,000
LW, RW
RFA - 2
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$800,000$800,000
C, LW
RFA - 2
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$2,100,000$2,100,000
RW, C, LW
M-NTC
UFA - 3
$2,250,000$2,250,000
LW, RW
UFA - 1
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$2,400,000$2,400,000
C
M-NTC
UFA - 4
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$1,350,000$1,350,000
RW
UFA - 3
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$775,000$775,000
C
UFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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$7,500,000$7,500,000
LD
NMC
UFA - 7
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$4,000,000$4,000,000
RD
M-NTC
UFA - 2
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$766,667$766,667
G
RFA - 2
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$5,000,000$5,000,000
LD/RD
M-NTC
UFA - 1
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$7,000,000$7,000,000
RD
NMC
UFA - 4
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$812,500$812,500
G
RFA - 2
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$2,000,000$2,000,000
LD/RD
M-NTC
UFA - 2
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$4,150,000$4,150,000
RD
M-NTC
UFA - 1
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$800,000$800,000
LD
UFA - 1
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
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$5,625,000$5,625,000
LD
M-NTC
UFA - 1
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$4,687,500$4,687,500
G
M-NTC
UFA - 1

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Jul. 20, 2023 at 6:04 p.m.
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That was a Babcock choice. They didn't even give Marner a chance. But as we have discovered, everything you say is going to A) be heavily bias towards the Canucks B) even more heavily biased against the Leafs and C) you make up nonsense rationalizations to make your arguments make sense. Unfortunately it's always bogus and impossible to discuss.


I'm not biased against the Leafs, I simply think its unreasonable to write off a prospect because they didn't IMMEDIATELY make the NHL. Not every top player in the NHL was their at 18 years old. You realize there is a thing called development right? Where some players take a year or two to get better and be ready for NHL minutes? List how I am being unreasonable here. Once again, you gaslight yourself into thinking you are a victim, however nothing you said in this thread makes an ounce of sense.

You are the one who said Wright is overrated and will potentially fizzle out because??????? Seriously, that argument doesn't make much sense. Not every top 5 pick HAS to be in the NHL at 18 years old

I also think its funny that you think I hate the leafs. Do you really think the Leafs are relevant enough for me to care about them? They aren't even in the same division as the Canucks. I couldn't care less about what happens with them
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Jul. 20, 2023 at 6:06 p.m.
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Look we both know you hate the Leafs. So anything you say in regards to Liljegren is going to be just nonsensical.


A) I like the leafs, and Liljegren is one of my favourite players on them. I'd be willing to give up a first for him if VAN were better then they are.
B) What other player listed is less valuable then Liljegren? Spoiler alert, it's none

We both know you love the leafs, so anything you say in regards to the Leafs is going to be just nonsensical.
Do you hear how dumb that sounds?
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Jul. 20, 2023 at 6:34 p.m.
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Draft is unpredictable. Yeah sure maybe his attitude is a problem, but that doesn't make him suddenly overrated and destined to fizzle out. The fact that he was consensus ranked #1 tells you enough of how good he is


He may not have been a 1st rounder this year.
Jul. 20, 2023 at 6:34 p.m.
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I'm not biased against the Leafs, I simply think its unreasonable to write off a prospect because they didn't IMMEDIATELY make the NHL. Not every top player in the NHL was their at 18 years old. You realize there is a thing called development right? Where some players take a year or two to get better and be ready for NHL minutes? List how I am being unreasonable here. Once again, you gaslight yourself into thinking you are a victim, however nothing you said in this thread makes an ounce of sense.

You are the one who said Wright is overrated and will potentially fizzle out because??????? Seriously, that argument doesn't make much sense. Not every top 5 pick HAS to be in the NHL at 18 years old

I also think its funny that you think I hate the leafs. Do you really think the Leafs are relevant enough for me to care about them? They aren't even in the same division as the Canucks. I couldn't care less about what happens with them


You absolutely loath the leafs
Jul. 20, 2023 at 6:35 p.m.
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Quoting: RipNasty
He may not have been a 1st rounder this year.


Yeah that is a pretty ludicrous take... You are really trying to convince me that the 4th overall last year who was a consensus #1 wouldn't even be top 32 this year? Come on now...
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Jul. 20, 2023 at 6:35 p.m.
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You absolutely loath the leafs


For what reason? Different division, different conference. Barely ever meet. What they do has very little impact on the Canucks so why should I care? Don't be so self absorbed. Not everybody is obsessed with the Leafs
Jul. 20, 2023 at 6:36 p.m.
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Quoting: Warpbox
A) I like the leafs, and Liljegren is one of my favourite players on them. I'd be willing to give up a first for him if VAN were better then they are.
B) What other player listed is less valuable then Liljegren? Spoiler alert, it's none

We both know you love the leafs, so anything you say in regards to the Leafs is going to be just nonsensical.
Do you hear how dumb that sounds?


The funniest thing is, all I say is the leafs aren't trash and you guys say I am a hopeless homer.
Jul. 20, 2023 at 6:38 p.m.
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Quoting: RipNasty
The funniest thing is, all I say is the leafs aren't trash and you guys say I am a hopeless homer.


"All I say is the leafs aren't trash"

You're saying Timothy Liljegren (who was getting scratched in the playoffs at 24. I don't think he should have been but it shouldn't have been considered) is more valuable then a 19yo 4th overall pick.

And for the record I think the leafs are the best team in the Atlantic by far and were my cup pick last year
Jul. 20, 2023 at 9:15 p.m.
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"All I say is the leafs aren't trash"

You're saying Timothy Liljegren (who was getting scratched in the playoffs at 24. I don't think he should have been but it shouldn't have been considered) is more valuable then a 19yo 4th overall pick.

And for the record I think the leafs are the best team in the Atlantic by far and were my cup pick last year


Cool story.
Jul. 20, 2023 at 9:20 p.m.
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Cool story.


All I'm saying is the guy who thinks Liljegren is more valuable then Wright *might* be the guy with bias
Jul. 20, 2023 at 9:40 p.m.
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All I'm saying is the guy who thinks Liljegren is more valuable then Wright *might* be the guy with bias


I didn't actually ever say Liljegren is more valuable. I said Wright is overrated. You put the words in there just to fuel your own desire to chirp leaf fans. Hence why is say any discussion with your crowd is completely ridiculous. The whole point is Marner is worth a great deal more than Karlsson but on capfriendly they are comparable. Why? Because you like most people hate TO more than you like hockey so all their players are trash.
Jul. 20, 2023 at 10:38 p.m.
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I didn't actually ever say Liljegren is more valuable. I said Wright is overrated. You put the words in there just to fuel your own desire to chirp leaf fans. Hence why is say any discussion with your crowd is completely ridiculous. The whole point is Marner is worth a great deal more than Karlsson but on capfriendly they are comparable. Why? Because you like most people hate TO more than you like hockey so all their players are trash.


You stated: "Capfriendly, where a 33 year old guy making 11.5 million for several more seasons is worth more than a 26 year old Selke finalist 100 point winger. Yup that makes sense"

So either Timothy Liljegren is worth more then Shane Wright, or the gap is made up by Nick Robertson.
Jul. 20, 2023 at 11:04 p.m.
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Quoting: Warpbox
You stated: "Capfriendly, where a 33 year old guy making 11.5 million for several more seasons is worth more than a 26 year old Selke finalist 100 point winger. Yup that makes sense"

So either Timothy Liljegren is worth more then Shane Wright, or the gap is made up by Nick Robertson.


I don't value Larsson high at all. Wright I have no faith will ever equal Marner. Karlsson isn't as good as Marner nor half as valuable. Marner is 26, not 33 and yet they get comparable returns. Liljegren played top 4 minutes at times, I think he should have seen more ice time in the playoffs but he's still young. He's already good, if he takes a step and can work with Rielly? That solves a tonne of problems. For the leafs Marner will contribute a lot more for longer than Karlsson. Wright I don't feel is going to be half as good as he was projected to be, I really don't like Larsson at 4 million. He's a little bit better skating Schenn. I would hope Liljegren makes a step and signs long term for a rather team friendly number. Huge risk in this and I think other moves could be made to change the leafs defence that isn't so risky and needless.
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Jul. 20, 2023 at 11:16 p.m.
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I don't value Larsson high at all. Wright I have no faith will ever equal Marner. Karlsson isn't as good as Marner nor half as valuable. Marner is 26, not 33 and yet they get comparable returns. Liljegren played top 4 minutes at times, I think he should have seen more ice time in the playoffs but he's still young. He's already good, if he takes a step and can work with Rielly? That solves a tonne of problems. For the leafs Marner will contribute a lot more for longer than Karlsson. Wright I don't feel is going to be half as good as he was projected to be, I really don't like Larsson at 4 million. He's a little bit better skating Schenn. I would hope Liljegren makes a step and signs long term for a rather team friendly number. Huge risk in this and I think other moves could be made to change the leafs defence that isn't so risky and needless.


I agree with parts of it. I think Marner overall as a player can get very undervalued on here (a top 3 winger in hockey) and Karlsson probably gets overvalued. I also really like Liljegren, I think he could be a top 4 guy one day. Overall though I feel like calling the returns even comparable is very much a stretch though. Seattles first is way more valuable then Torontos (Seattle is a borderline playoff team, Toronto could fight for a presidents trophy and/or a final 4 visit), Shane Wright holds a ton of value (I doubt he becomes a star but he has a lot of potential as a great 2nd line centre which is super valuable, especially since he still could be a star) and I understand the concerns on Larsson. (I don't mind him as a Reilly partner, but I don't think that's an ideal solution) but overall I think that Seattle package is a lot better.

Side note: I don't think there is any world where Toronto should be interested in Karlsson anyways. They have their first unit PP guy and Klingberg as a back up, Karlsson just wouldn't fit at all
Jul. 20, 2023 at 11:53 p.m.
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Quoting: Warpbox
I agree with parts of it. I think Marner overall as a player can get very undervalued on here (a top 3 winger in hockey) and Karlsson probably gets overvalued. I also really like Liljegren, I think he could be a top 4 guy one day. Overall though I feel like calling the returns even comparable is very much a stretch though. Seattles first is way more valuable then Torontos (Seattle is a borderline playoff team, Toronto could fight for a presidents trophy and/or a final 4 visit), Shane Wright holds a ton of value (I doubt he becomes a star but he has a lot of potential as a great 2nd line centre which is super valuable, especially since he still could be a star) and I understand the concerns on Larsson. (I don't mind him as a Reilly partner, but I don't think that's an ideal solution) but overall I think that Seattle package is a lot better.

Side note: I don't think there is any world where Toronto should be interested in Karlsson anyways. They have their first unit PP guy and Klingberg as a back up, Karlsson just wouldn't fit at all


Not now anyway. I toyed with the idea prior to free agency. It certainly was possible then but after Treliving's shopping spree Karlsson is out of the question. And to be honest, I think Klingberg could really bounce back under Keefe. He's had some huge seasons offensively in the past and seems pretty tailor made for Keefe's system.
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