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Initial Creation Date: Jul. 12, 2023
Published: Jul. 20, 2023
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I still stand by the belief that EK deal just doesn't happen because there are far too many hoops that Dubas would have to jump through to get Karlsson to work (Petry, Granlund and Rutta being those hoops). I'm also going to say ahead of time that the deal below isn't necessarily what i think would be the exact specific deal, but do think it's essentially the only way the penguins could realistically go about obtaining EK.

There was a rumor at one point that Pettersson was part of the potential EK trade and to me that would make sense from SJ standpoint as much as I'd hate to lose Pettersson. They get a very good LD with 2 years left and 27 years old whom they could play or eventually flip for more assets in the cabinet. Pickering would also have to go as he's the best prospect the pens have. (Yager was just drafted a month ago, they wouldn't trade him)

EK only happens if you obviously find a place to trade Petry to not only open cap but also the RD spot for EK. So IF they could move Petry and IF that would be along the lines of the deal for EK I would then hope they try and go trade for Hanifin who was a heavy penguins rumor before they signed Graves.

Some fans think Petry doesn't have SJ on his NTC but I don't believe that for one minute. His play is clearly not worth $6.25M x 2years but I do think he is still a perfectly suitable 2RD pair at $4M, and can QB the 2nd PP unit on a team so to me the only way the penguins would be able to move Petry would be to retain on him. I doubt Chicago does this (Davidson did say in an interview earlier in July that they were mostly done but stated "We might look at a spot or two for depth"), just picked them given the younger 2 way players they have on D, the cap space and the closeness to Michigan where Petry's family is. Again do think he's good value at $4M. Could also become someone a team could flip if wanted at the deadline this year or next year for more picks.

Not sure where Rutta could go but again he'd need to be moved to open space as well. Still a good 3rd pair was just banged up last year. (used ANA as they're first team on drop down lol).
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2025 2nd becomes a 1st if the penguins reach the ECF in 2024 or 2025 and EK plays 50% of the playoff games in that particular year.

SJ get's back Penguins top prospect in Pickering. A top 4 LD in Pettersson who's only 27. Could easily play on the first line. Pettersson could also be traded at the deadline for additional assets if SJ wanted to, either way he's a very good LD in his prime. Granlund for cap reasons.
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Jul. 20, 2023 at 1:49 p.m.
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In all honesty if your trading Jan Rutta he’s a perfect fit to go back and play few more years and finish in chicago
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IMO that is way too much for EK, like pens clearly lose the trade
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Jul. 20, 2023 at 1:55 p.m.
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In all honesty if your trading Jan Rutta he’s a perfect fit to go back and play few more years and finish in chicago


I think Rutta to Chicago makes a lot of sense, it's just tough to find a spot for Petry which was why I picked chicago. Everyone obviously says Petry would be in the SJ deal but i'm confident Petry's NTC blocks that.
Jul. 20, 2023 at 1:55 p.m.
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The amount of assets being give up for such marginal upgrades is not worth it. Pettersson and Petry were a strong 2nd pairing. No AHLer in the top 4 (Dumoulin) and the defense is fine. Nothing tremendous but not weak like last season with Sullivan giving Dumoulin way too many minutes.
Jul. 20, 2023 at 1:58 p.m.
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IMO that is way too much for EK, like pens clearly lose the trade


I mean, unless Grier is an absolute idiot I don't really understand why penguins fans continue to think they can fleece him this hard on a 3x norris winner.

Like what do you think is a legit offer for Karlsson?? I completely think SJ can get themselves into a tough situation with EK depending on how things go forward but
Jul. 20, 2023 at 1:59 p.m.
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The amount of assets being give up for such marginal upgrades is not worth it. Pettersson and Petry were a strong 2nd pairing. No AHLer in the top 4 (Dumoulin) and the defense is fine. Nothing tremendous but not weak like last season with Sullivan giving Dumoulin way too many minutes.


Trust me, i'm much more on your side of things, my description is just saying if they want to do an EK deal this is what I believe need to happen.
Jul. 20, 2023 at 2:04 p.m.
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Trust me, i'm much more on your side of things, my description is just saying if they want to do an EK deal this is what I believe need to happen.


The average ACGM opinion on Petry and Pettersson is so wildly inaccurate. It's obvious none are familiar with how badly Sullivan's mindless commitment to Dumoulin undermined the defense.
Jul. 20, 2023 at 2:04 p.m.
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I think for the Hawks the real question is how Richardson feels about him. They were in Montreal together so he'd have a good read on whether he fits where this team is going or not. I like that this trade brings draft capital back but I doubt Pittsburgh retains at that cost which is okay imo. This trade sends Zaitsev to the press box which is an added bonus.
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Jul. 20, 2023 at 2:11 p.m.
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I think for the Hawks the real question is how Richardson feels about him. They were in Montreal together so he'd have a good read on whether he fits where this team is going or not. I like that this trade brings draft capital back but I doubt Pittsburgh retains at that cost which is okay imo. This trade sends Zaitsev to the press box which is an added bonus.


Personally am fine keeping Petry because i think he did a fine job with Pettersson last year, but obviously if they want EK they have to move Petry and I don't think moving a 35yr old Petry at $6.25M is an easy sell, hence needing to retain.
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Jul. 20, 2023 at 2:13 p.m.
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The average ACGM opinion on Petry and Pettersson is so wildly inaccurate. It's obvious none are familiar with how badly Sullivan's mindless commitment to Dumoulin undermined the defense.


I haven't really seen many negative comments here on Pettersson. Petry, yes but in fairness I would agree Petry isn't playing at his contract value which is fair and kind of expected at his age, but I do still agree (and as I noted in my description) that I do think Petry is still a very solid 2RD just not at $6.25M.
Jul. 20, 2023 at 2:18 p.m.
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Personally am fine keeping Petry because i think he did a fine job with Pettersson last year, but obviously if they want EK they have to move Petry and I don't think moving a 35yr old Petry at $6.25M is an easy sell, hence needing to retain.


I think Chicago may be the ideal spot for him depending on Richardson. His cap hit isn't going to hurt the Hawks and it's only for 2 years which fits the timeline (Hall ,AA, Donato) that they're looking for with contracts.
Jul. 20, 2023 at 2:19 p.m.
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I haven't really seen many negative comments here on Pettersson. Petry, yes but in fairness I would agree Petry isn't playing at his contract value which is fair and kind of expected at his age, but I do still agree (and as I noted in my description) that I do think Petry is still a very solid 2RD just not at $6.25M.


Proposals like Hanifin for Pettersson and a 1st. If I went based on last season, those two were a top 10 2nd pairing in the league. I say all the time, of Petry were a UFA this year he would easily get $10m/2 yrs. based on what Klingberg and Gudas got.
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I can't see the Hawks taking 8 million in salary for a piece they absolutely do not need (you have Jones/Murphy as RHD for both years and Zaitsev for the first) to only get a 2nd and 3rd when they have all sorts of draft picks stacked up.

Although there is a lot of value in the offer going to San Jose, giving up a 3 time Norris winner AND retaining 16 million (as well as taking 11 million in Granlund who is at the least half of his contract a dump) is a pretty tall order. That part of this probably is a little more realistic at the Sharks retaining 3 per and pulling out the 2nd.

I think the sum of the parts in acquiring Hanifin giving away Rutta don't accomplish that much in an off season where you'll have added EK and Graves. Honestly think you would be far better just keeping Rutta, Joseph, Poulin, the 1st and giving the Hawks a package that makes taking Petry at full cost realistic.
Petry, '26 1st, '24 2nd and something else probably gets the Hawks to bite on eating the Petry deal for you.
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Jul. 20, 2023 at 2:35 p.m.
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I can't see the Hawks taking 8 million in salary for a piece they absolutely do not need (you have Jones/Murphy as RHD for both years and Zaitsev for the first) to only get a 2nd and 3rd when they have all sorts of draft picks stacked up.

Although there is a lot of value in the offer going to San Jose, giving up a 3 time Norris winner AND retaining 16 million (as well as taking 11 million in Granlund who is at the least half of his contract a dump) is a pretty tall order. That part of this probably is a little more realistic at the Sharks retaining 3 per and pulling out the 2nd.

I think the sum of the parts in acquiring Hanifin giving away Rutta don't accomplish that much in an off season where you'll have added EK and Graves. Honestly think you would be far better just keeping Rutta, Joseph, Poulin, the 1st and giving the Hawks a package that makes taking Petry at full cost realistic.
Petry, '26 1st, '24 2nd and something else probably gets the Hawks to bite on eating the Petry deal for you.


The 3x norris winner that's making $11.5M AAV that no one can take on at 100%. He's also 33 and injury prone. They're not going to get a crazy offer and they'll have to take cap back from a team and eat cap, that's just going to have to happen. Read my description.

Paying a 1st and 2nd round pick for the Hawks to take Petry at $6.25M is hilarious and a terrible offer for the penguins. Petry isn't a pylon, he's still a good 2RD and 2nd PP QB, 2nd and 3rd with the penguins retaining $2.25M is very solid and no team is ever going to say no to more picks??? Like what is that comment. The hawks can do a lot with those picks to continue building out their future team.
Jul. 20, 2023 at 2:47 p.m.
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Proposals like Hanifin for Pettersson and a 1st. If I went based on last season, those two were a top 10 2nd pairing in the league. I say all the time, of Petry were a UFA this year he would easily get $10m/2 yrs. based on what Klingberg and Gudas got.


Got it, I did see that Hanifin/Pettersson swap often and would agree that's a dumb trade, both players are good so it makes no sense.

You bring up a good point on Gudas/Klingberg. Gudas deal was.... very interesting lol, Klingberg was at least 1 year but i would see Petry around $4-$4.5M AAV probably.
Jul. 20, 2023 at 3:12 p.m.
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The 3x norris winner that's making $11.5M AAV that no one can take on at 100%. He's also 33 and injury prone. They're not going to get a crazy offer and they'll have to take cap back from a team and eat cap, that's just going to have to happen. Read my description.

Paying a 1st and 2nd round pick for the Hawks to take Petry at $6.25M is hilarious and a terrible offer for the penguins. Petry isn't a pylon, he's still a good 2RD and 2nd PP QB, 2nd and 3rd with the penguins retaining $2.25M is very solid and no team is ever going to say no to more picks??? Like what is that comment. The hawks can do a lot with those picks to continue building out their future team.


At least try to keep is somewhat real. Funny how you want to talk about injury prone, age, yada yada yada....but fail to mention Petry is plenty injury prone himself and 2.5 years older. Fun fact....last 2 seasons, EK has played more games than Petry.

Trying to keep this on the rails and not getting to snippy with you....but the Hawks are not touching Petry with that retention for those picks....just not happening. Hawks don't need retention as they have plenty of cap space so offering retention to lessen the sweetener is completely counterproductive to trying to move cap from a cap strapped team to one with plenty. Pay the price to move the full contract, find someone else to take it, or have fun with Petry for a couple years.

There is a difference between taking back cap for a useful player (the Pettersson part of this proposal) and retaining verses taking back a cap dump like Granlund and eating 16 million. Asking the Sharks to eat 27 million between taking Granlund and the retention is dreaming bigly....I will give you that.
Jul. 20, 2023 at 3:47 p.m.
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At least try to keep is somewhat real. Funny how you want to talk about injury prone, age, yada yada yada....but fail to mention Petry is plenty injury prone himself and 2.5 years older. Fun fact....last 2 seasons, EK has played more games than Petry.

Trying to keep this on the rails and not getting to snippy with you....but the Hawks are not touching Petry with that retention for those picks....just not happening. Hawks don't need retention as they have plenty of cap space so offering retention to lessen the sweetener is completely counterproductive to trying to move cap from a cap strapped team to one with plenty. Pay the price to move the full contract, find someone else to take it, or have fun with Petry for a couple years.

There is a difference between taking back cap for a useful player (the Pettersson part of this proposal) and retaining verses taking back a cap dump like Granlund and eating 16 million. Asking the Sharks to eat 27 million between taking Granlund and the retention is dreaming bigly....I will give you that.


I can tell you just didn't read my description at all for this post, basically notes this is mostly hypothetical.

EK played 132 games the last two season, Petry played 129... huge 3 game difference. Since Karlsson got to the Sharks for the 18-19 season he's played 293 of a possible 372 games (78%). Petry in the same span played 337 of a possible 373 games (90%). So... yeah fun fact EK is more injury prone and 2.5 years younger...

"Not get to snippy" that's so kind of you. The penguins retaining does actually make sense. The Hawks aren't going to be a contender for the remainder of Petry's contract. As I noted, sending him to Chicago would be an example and would I would assume Chicago would do in this situation would be to probably retain on Petry and send him to a contender that needs depth or has an injury at the deadline. If they did that, retaining on his contract at $4M rather than $6.25M makes it much more attractive for the team trading to Chicago thus getting the hawks more return. So in the end they have more assets (which can be used in the draft or in packages to make their own trades) and spent nothing to get Petry. If i didn't have retention I would still not be using a 1st and 2nd to move petry... he's still playing well. Look at teams that have spent a 1st to move cap that's completely dead, Sean Monahan is the most recent example and it's because he had a hip injury and declined heavily. Petry has neither of those factors.

Bigly... what a stupid word but can't say I'm shocked. You're using the whole number of 27 million to make things sound vastly worse, and I don't understand why people do that on here. Gives off the quick assumption that it is 27M/year (also it'd be $26.1M not $27M). If they move Karlsson, they will have to retain and have to take cap back, just not gonna work any other way.
 
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