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Matt Murray can not go on LTIR if he has no long term injury

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Team: 2023-24 Toronto Maple Leafs
Initial Creation Date: Jul. 21, 2023
Published: Jul. 21, 2023
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And if he were to recover from his "long-term injury", he must be activated immediately along with his entire cap hit.


And at no point can a team exceed the salary cap at any point during the regular season.


No matter how much Elliotte Friedman might serve as a spokesperson for the Leafs.



Once the Leafs reach a settlement with Ilya Samsonov from arbitration, the Leafs will be given a second window of opportunity to buy out Matt Murray.


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Jul. 21, 2023 at 5:00 p.m.
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He should have been bought out yesterday
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Jul. 21, 2023 at 5:02 p.m.
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It’s funny to me how many people, especially Leafs fans, don’t seem to understand this lol
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Jul. 21, 2023 at 5:06 p.m.
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Concussions can be determined as long-term injuries. I think that's the hold-up.
Jul. 21, 2023 at 5:12 p.m.
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Quoting: CheechYou
Concussions can be determined as long-term injuries. I think that's the hold-up.


He would need to miss a minimum of 24 days and 10 regular season games to qualify.
Jul. 21, 2023 at 5:27 p.m.
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Apr 3, 2023 Matt Murray head is day-to-day
May 9th, 2023 Matt Murray is cleared to play

TOR can’t LTIR their way out of all of their problems everytime
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Jul. 21, 2023 at 5:37 p.m.
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so they buy him out or package him with a 1st rounder, maybe to the Ducks who need to move their goalie anyway.
Murray is only a 1 year hit and for a team that has the cap space it is not a big issue at all. They just want something useful to go with it.
Jul. 21, 2023 at 5:47 p.m.
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Quoting: sensonfire
He would need to miss a minimum of 24 days and 10 regular season games to qualify.


Quoting: McRanteskog
Apr 3, 2023 Matt Murray head is day-to-day
May 9th, 2023 Matt Murray is cleared to play

TOR can’t LTIR their way out of all of their problems everytime


What are you guys - private detectives with specialty in medical issues? 😂
Get a life - none of us know anything but having you pontificate on things of which you know nothing sure is helpful 👏
Jul. 21, 2023 at 5:51 p.m.
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Technically Toronto can LTIR him and here is an example

Mike Smith played June 6th 2022 vs the Avs and lost 6-5 in OT.

July 1, 2022 reports came out Mike Smith was gonna end up on LTIR with an undisclosed injury all this despite playing a month before.

Murray came back from injury but how do we know he was 100% how do we know they didnt just activate him to sit on the bench, why was he not bought out or traded the first window, clearly Leafs know something we dont and through one announcement of an undisclosed injury Murray can go right back to LTIR as with his injury history along with his seasonal record of not being able to pass 30 games 3 years in a row nobody would question it besides salty fans. Kucherov sat on LTIR for an entire season as Tampa purposefully prolonged the treatment to maximize the space and go for the 2nd cup in a row. Then u got VGK who were abusing LTIR left and right

I know Sens fans want the cap space but rn all indications and evidence are pointing to LTIR retirement as concussion symptoms can reappear at any point even if a guy is deemed healthy and with Friedman and others now citing the health situation somethings up. As if hes not found to be 100% they cant buy him out and that could be why they didnt use the first window

Jul. 21, 2023 at 5:53 p.m.
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Quoting: MitchJr
What are you guys - private detectives with specialty in medical issues? 😂
Get a life - none of us know anything but having you pontificate on things of which you know nothing sure is helpful 👏


Yet here you are wasting your time commenting on our comments XD
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Jul. 21, 2023 at 5:54 p.m.
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Quoting: MitchJr
What are you guys - private detectives with specialty in medical issues? 😂
Get a life - none of us know anything but having you pontificate on things of which you know nothing sure is helpful 👏


It's literally the first sentence on Capfriendly's page about LTIR.

https://www.capfriendly.com/ltir-faq



Matt Murray must miss a minimum of 24 days and 10 regular season games to qualify for LTIR.

No need to be a detective about it, sport.
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Jul. 21, 2023 at 6:04 p.m.
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Quoting: aadoyle
Technically Toronto can LTIR him and here is an example

Mike Smith played June 6th 2022 vs the Avs and lost 6-5 in OT.

July 1, 2022 reports came out Mike Smith was gonna end up on LTIR with an undisclosed injury all this despite playing a month before.

Murray came back from injury but how do we know he was 100% how do we know they didnt just activate him to sit on the bench, why was he not bought out or traded the first window, clearly Leafs know something we dont and through one announcement of an undisclosed injury Murray can go right back to LTIR as with his injury history along with his seasonal record of not being able to pass 30 games 3 years in a row nobody would question it besides salty fans. Kucherov sat on LTIR for an entire season as Tampa purposefully prolonged the treatment to maximize the space and go for the 2nd cup in a row. Then u got VGK who were abusing LTIR left and right

I know Sens fans want the cap space but rn all indications and evidence are pointing to LTIR retirement as concussion symptoms can reappear at any point even if a guy is deemed healthy and with Friedman and others now citing the health situation somethings up. As if hes not found to be 100% they cant buy him out and that could be why they didnt use the first window



The League decides whether Murray is LTIRed, not the Leafs.

If Murray is not expected by the League to miss a minimum of 24 days and 10 regular season games, he can't be LTIRed.

There's nothing Elliotte Friedman can do about it
Jul. 21, 2023 at 6:08 p.m.
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The League decides whether Murray is LTIRed, not the Leafs.

If Murray is not expected by the League to miss a minimum of 24 days and 10 regular season games, he can't be LTIRed.

There's nothing Elliotte Friedman can do about it


This is all it would take

The league will read the Leafs doctors report saying he found something abnormal in recent testing of Murray, they then go to Murray and say u feel 100% he will go no say ABC fails his physical and is then approved. LTIR is something that has been abused since the flat cap era just ask Tampa and VGK or any other team who needs cap lul.

Trust me if a team wants a guy on LTIR their med staff can make it happen with one simple report. VGK 2021-2022 was a prime example guy gets hurt immediate LTIR even if it didnt look that bad. As if the Leafs were to buyout Murray it would have been done during the first window. Clearly they know something we dont rn and are working with him to sit out and cash his checks at home or maybe be traded

But yea dont see a problem as even Bettman is not overly concerned with it

https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/article/nhl-gms-not-eager-to-close-ltir-loophole-despite-perceived-abuses/

https://www.espn.com/nhl/story/_/id/33623055/gary-bettman-cap-manipulation-not-big-problem
Jul. 21, 2023 at 6:17 p.m.
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Quoting: McRanteskog
Yet here you are wasting your time commenting on our comments XD


I have a weakness for pontificators, what can I say - they crack me up 😅. What other completely uninformed opinions can you share publicly 😂?
Jul. 21, 2023 at 6:19 p.m.
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Quoting: sensonfire
The League decides whether Murray is LTIRed, not the Leafs.

If Murray is not expected by the League to miss a minimum of 24 days and 10 regular season games, he can't be LTIRed.

There's nothing Elliotte Friedman can do about it


The point is also that there is nothing you can do about it either 😂. Yet you continue to spout opinions about what the cba does and doesn’t allow 😅. Chill, I get we’re all bored - but the facts will come out soon; until then it’s just chatter and conjecture
Jul. 22, 2023 at 12:02 a.m.
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SHHHH Your not suppose to tell them that they just can stash guys who dont have season long injures to balance their cap. Murray is an injury risk but he gets injured for short stretches never anything long term. He was cleared before the playoffs, did not play now he's so injured he has to be on LTIR for the whole year.
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Jul. 22, 2023 at 10:09 a.m.
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Murray came back from so many injuries that there's no guarantee he'd end up on LTIR, even if he gets 4 injuries next season. They have no choice to buy him out

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so they buy him out or package him with a 1st rounder, maybe to the Ducks who need to move their goalie anyway.
Murray is only a 1 year hit and for a team that has the cap space it is not a big issue at all. They just want something useful to go with it.

Sens paid 3rd + 7th to move the last 2 years left on his contract (25% retention)

Why would the last year cost a 1st?

Quoting: aadoyle
This is all it would take

The league will read the Leafs doctors report saying he found something abnormal in recent testing of Murray, they then go to Murray and say u feel 100% he will go no say ABC fails his physical and is then approved. LTIR is something that has been abused since the flat cap era just ask Tampa and VGK or any other team who needs cap lul.

Trust me if a team wants a guy on LTIR their med staff can make it happen with one simple report. VGK 2021-2022 was a prime example guy gets hurt immediate LTIR even if it didnt look that bad. As if the Leafs were to buyout Murray it would have been done during the first window. Clearly they know something we dont rn and are working with him to sit out and cash his checks at home or maybe be traded

But yea dont see a problem as even Bettman is not overly concerned with it

https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/article/nhl-gms-not-eager-to-close-ltir-loophole-despite-perceived-abuses/

https://www.espn.com/nhl/story/_/id/33623055/gary-bettman-cap-manipulation-not-big-problem

Please refer me to any doctor dumb enough to accept bribes. it's already a lucrative enough profession that it's not worth risking your career, your reputation and maybe your family to contravene your Hippocratic Oath

The 2nd article is about keeping the same salary cap rules during the playoffs. Some people stupidly thought Tampa Bay cheated with Kucherov for the playoffs but a hip surgery is a big thing in the real world. He actually came back earlier than it would be expected for a normal person because he's an athlete. They just got lucky with timing. There's a margin period where a guy that has been cleared can come back into real game action.

People are so gullible. There's a lot of corruption in this world but not everything is "movie made". I took the vaccine and I'm still waiting for a chip to mind control me
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Jul. 26, 2023 at 12:51 p.m.
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Quoting: sensonfire
The League decides whether Murray is LTIRed, not the Leafs.

If Murray is not expected by the League to miss a minimum of 24 days and 10 regular season games, he can't be LTIRed.

There's nothing Elliotte Friedman can do about it






They decided good times
Jul. 26, 2023 at 12:52 p.m.
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Quoting: aadoyle




They decided good times


Congratulations for being right.
 
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