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Team: 2023-24 Calgary Flames
Initial Creation Date: Jul. 29, 2023
Published: Jul. 29, 2023
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Assumes Hanifin & Backlund Sign Extensions and BOS is able to move an LD out, like Gryzlcyk or Forbort

Stastny & Stepan would be good Mentors to Coronato, Duehr, Ruzicka, Dube & Sharangovich and can both Kill Penalties and Win Faceoffs
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Jul. 29, 2023 at 10:41 p.m.
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This is a no for Boston in my opinion
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Jul. 29, 2023 at 10:45 p.m.
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I don't see why Boston would go for this. They would be moving out two players who worked for them last season for two guys that don't necessarily make them better. On top of that they add one of their top prospects? The Bruins should be moving out futures for proven NHL talent to try to win now. Backlund, Hanifin, and Lindholm would be great additions for them, but the players coming back to Calgary would probably be Forbort and Frederic, plus picks and prospects.
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Jul. 29, 2023 at 10:55 p.m.
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This is a no for Boston in my opinion


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I don't see why Boston would go for this. They would be moving out two players who worked for them last season for two guys that don't necessarily make them better. On top of that they add one of their top prospects? The Bruins should be moving out futures for proven NHL talent to try to win now. Backlund, Hanifin, and Lindholm would be great additions for them, but the players coming back to Calgary would probably be Forbort and Frederic, plus picks and prospects.

Hanifin in BOS is just a great fit and I think he’s worth Carlo+ and Lysell hasn’t been that great of a Prospect and certainly hasn’t lived up to his Draft Pick

Backlund is a Centre, which they need. It’s not Lindholm, but CGY is looking to stay competitive and hopefully re-sign Lindholm. DeBrusk had a productive season, but we can’t dismiss the prior 2 seasons and his lack of consistency.

DeBrusk could easily be a Bust or Under Performer in CGY like his previous 2 seasons in BOS, Choose to Walk to Free Agency and/or Price himself out of CGY and just leave, so I feel Backlund being a Centre is = DeBrusk, especially if Backlund signs a Very Team Friendly Extension

CGY needs Carlo to replace the aging Tanev at 2RD after next season
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Jul. 29, 2023 at 11:25 p.m.
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Hanifin in BOS is just a great fit and I think he’s worth Carlo+ and Lysell hasn’t been that great of a Prospect and certainly hasn’t lived up to his Draft Pick

Backlund is a Centre, which they need. It’s not Lindholm, but CGY is looking to stay competitive and hopefully re-sign Lindholm. DeBrusk had a productive season, but we can’t dismiss the prior 2 seasons and his lack of consistency.

DeBrusk could easily be a Bust or Under Performer in CGY like his previous 2 seasons in BOS, Choose to Walk to Free Agency and/or Price himself out of CGY and just leave, so I feel Backlund being a Centre is = DeBrusk, especially if Backlund signs a Very Team Friendly Extension

CGY needs Carlo to replace the aging Tanev at 2RD after next season


I have to disagree one this one with you Lysell has been pretty good in the AHL so take out Lysell and add a 2nd and the deal is probably done
Jul. 29, 2023 at 11:28 p.m.
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Quoting: KingofRnR
Hanifin in BOS is just a great fit and I think he’s worth Carlo+ and Lysell hasn’t been that great of a Prospect and certainly hasn’t lived up to his Draft Pick

Backlund is a Centre, which they need. It’s not Lindholm, but CGY is looking to stay competitive and hopefully re-sign Lindholm. DeBrusk had a productive season, but we can’t dismiss the prior 2 seasons and his lack of consistency.

DeBrusk could easily be a Bust or Under Performer in CGY like his previous 2 seasons in BOS, Choose to Walk to Free Agency and/or Price himself out of CGY and just leave, so I feel Backlund being a Centre is = DeBrusk, especially if Backlund signs a Very Team Friendly Extension

CGY needs Carlo to replace the aging Tanev at 2RD after next season


I agree with most of what you're saying and why this makes sense for the Flames, but I think you're undervaluing the Bruins players a bit and not totally considering what Boston is going for if they make a trade like this.

I don't think Hanifin is that much better than Carlo. Their offensive production is a clear difference, but Carlo plays an important shut-down role and is signed to a very reasonable contract. Since Hanifin only has one year left versus Carlo's four that closes the gap in my opinion.

Lysell had a bad second half of the season last year, and he's only 20. I'm not ready to write him off yet. In fact, I would like his addition to the Flames prospect pool and put him in a similar class as Pelletier, Coronato, and Zary.

DeBrusk had one bad season two years ago. He still scored 25 goals in 2021/22. He's scored 0.37 GPG and 0.65 PPG over the past two seasons. He's not a perfect player by any means but I think he's still important to the Bruins.

Boston also has the cap space to add one of Lindholm, Backlund, or Hanifin to their roster (with 50% retention) pretty easily. They shouldn't have to sacrifice a good player to add one of Calgary's, even when Swayman and Frederic's arbitration ruling comes in.
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Jul. 30, 2023 at 1:20 a.m.
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This seems like a bad deal for Boston.
Jul. 30, 2023 at 8:34 a.m.
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Boston lacks RHD depth so they're going to trade their top 4 shutdown RHD d-man for a top pairing LHD....which they already have Huh?
Jul. 30, 2023 at 11:58 a.m.
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Boston lacks RHD depth so they're going to trade their top 4 shutdown RHD d-man for a top pairing LHD....which they already have Huh?

BOS brought in Shattenkirk, who could easily replace Carlo and then Prospects Mitchell & Regula who both have NHL experience and then Prospect Reilly Walsh who is as NHL Ready as it gets, so I think they're fine at RD in terms of depth

Would you rather have Grzelcyk or Hanifin!?? You gotta pay for a guy like Hanifin, especially if he comes with an 8 year $6-6.5mil/yr extension. After losing Bergeron and likely Krejci, BOS is indesperate need of a Centre. Backlund may not be ideal or Lindholm, but he's still a very serviceable Centre with good value, especially if he signs an extension for just $2.5-4mil/yr.

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This seems like a bad deal for Boston.

DeBrusk & Lysell are overrated 1st Rounders. DeBrusk has never played a full season, is high maintenance and inconsistent at best. Lysell was a decent Junior Player, but hasn't really impressed at the Pro level and was pretty weak on Sweden's International Junior Team this year as well

Carlo is a Great Physical Shut Down D-Man, but he's no Star or Game Changer like Hanifin. You gotta offer and pay something of Quality in exchange for Quality, right!?
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Jul. 30, 2023 at 12:15 p.m.
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BOS brought in Shattenkirk, who could easily replace Carlo and then Prospects Mitchell & Regula who both have NHL experience and then Prospect Reilly Walsh who is as NHL Ready as it gets, so I think they're fine at RD in terms of depth

Would you rather have Grzelcyk or Hanifin!?? You gotta pay for a guy like Hanifin, especially if he comes with an 8 year $6-6.5mil/yr extension. After losing Bergeron and likely Krejci, BOS is indesperate need of a Centre. Backlund may not be ideal or Lindholm, but he's still a very serviceable Centre with good value, especially if he signs an extension for just $2.5-4mil/yr.


DeBrusk & Lysell are overrated 1st Rounders. DeBrusk has never played a full season, is high maintenance and inconsistent at best. Lysell was a decent Junior Player, but hasn't really impressed at the Pro level and was pretty weak on Sweden's International Junior Team this year as well

Carlo is a Great Physical Shut Down D-Man, but he's no Star or Game Changer like Hanifin. You gotta offer and pay something of Quality in exchange for Quality, right!?


We brought in SHattenkirk for $1 million to replace Connor Clifton lol. Carlo is Boston PK horse on RD, there isn't anyone else that can fill that role. Its funny that you're willing to trade a star/game changer like Hanifin for a few overrated 1st rounders and a shutdown d-man that isn't a star or game changer. If there was ever a textbook example of downplaying another teams players this is it. Based on your post you'd think Sweeney was blackmailing CGY into making this deal and Calgary is getting bent over with no lube.
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Jul. 30, 2023 at 2:28 p.m.
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We brought in SHattenkirk for $1 million to replace Connor Clifton lol. Carlo is Boston PK horse on RD, there isn't anyone else that can fill that role. Its funny that you're willing to trade a star/game changer like Hanifin for a few overrated 1st rounders and a shutdown d-man that isn't a star or game changer. If there was ever a textbook example of downplaying another teams players this is it. Based on your post you'd think Sweeney was blackmailing CGY into making this deal and Calgary is getting bent over with no lube.

Hanifin & Backlund have both indicated they aren’t interested in extending in Calgary, so they should be moved, but they’re also quality assets, so getting the best return possible is the goal.

Shattenkirk can easily fill Carlo’s role and Hanifin Kills Penalties too, so you’d be fine, but I hear where you’re coming from and that’s why I’m interested in Carlo. DeBrusk & Lysell can be switched out but it’d have to be something of quality and a good prospect with potential
Jul. 30, 2023 at 3:15 p.m.
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Hanifin & Backlund have both indicated they aren’t interested in extending in Calgary, so they should be moved, but they’re also quality assets, so getting the best return possible is the goal.

Shattenkirk can easily fill Carlo’s role and Hanifin Kills Penalties too, so you’d be fine, but I hear where you’re coming from and that’s why I’m interested in Carlo. DeBrusk & Lysell can be switched out but it’d have to be something of quality and a good prospect with potential


No, Shattenrirk couldn't fill Carlo's role.....at all. Hanifin isn't a need for Boston. Backlund while a decent center, isn't the center that teams convet from CGY. Backlund is a consolation prize.
Jul. 30, 2023 at 10:16 p.m.
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No, Shattenrirk couldn't fill Carlo's role.....at all. Hanifin isn't a need for Boston. Backlund while a decent center, isn't the center that teams convet from CGY. Backlund is a consolation prize.

Whatever man, Shattenkirk is still a Top-4 RD

Hanifin has been a want in BOS forever and they lost and didn’t replace Orlov. I guarantee they’d rather have Hanifin than Gryzelcyk and between Hanifin, Forbort and Shattenkirk, Carlo’s PK Role would easily be covered, but we could also talk about Tanev instead of Backlund

We’re trying to hold on to Lindholm, so unless you’d prefer Kadri, Backlund is the only available Centre the Flames want to offer and only because he’s indicated he isn’t interested in re-signing, but that could change throughout the season

In any event, it’s just an idea and my focus is primarily on improving the Flames while trying to stay realistic. We might have been interested in Hall, but he’s gone and isnt worth near as much as Backlund given his current cap hit and additional year of term. I’m not even that high on DeBrusk, but maybe bringing him back to Alberta and putting him at RW with Huberdeau would work, but so would Mang, Dube, Sharangovich or better yet, even Kadri as a Left Shot RW
Jul. 31, 2023 at 7:28 a.m.
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Whatever man, Shattenkirk is still a Top-4 RD

Hanifin has been a want in BOS forever and they lost and didn’t replace Orlov. I guarantee they’d rather have Hanifin than Gryzelcyk and between Hanifin, Forbort and Shattenkirk, Carlo’s PK Role would easily be covered, but we could also talk about Tanev instead of Backlund

We’re trying to hold on to Lindholm, so unless you’d prefer Kadri, Backlund is the only available Centre the Flames want to offer and only because he’s indicated he isn’t interested in re-signing, but that could change throughout the season

In any event, it’s just an idea and my focus is primarily on improving the Flames while trying to stay realistic. We might have been interested in Hall, but he’s gone and isnt worth near as much as Backlund given his current cap hit and additional year of term. I’m not even that high on DeBrusk, but maybe bringing him back to Alberta and putting him at RW with Huberdeau would work, but so would Mang, Dube, Sharangovich or better yet, even Kadri as a Left Shot RW


Shattenkirk is a top 4 d-man but could only get a $1 million deal? Come on man let's be realistic. If he was a top 4 then he'd have gotten better than $1 million. Connor Clifton is a 3rd pairing guy and got $3.333 million a year.

I'm sure the Bruins would love to have Hanifin over Grz, but that's didn't mean Hanifin is a NEED for the Bruins. Hanifin would be a nice to have, but doesn't address a need.

Backlund just doesn't fit what Boston needs now and going forward. He's 34yr old and coming off a career year. Coming into last season his 3yr average was around a 45pt center. That's basically what Coyle has been for us, only playing in a 3rd line role.
Jul. 31, 2023 at 10:21 a.m.
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Shattenkirk is a top 4 d-man but could only get a $1 million deal? Come on man let's be realistic. If he was a top 4 then he'd have gotten better than $1 million. Connor Clifton is a 3rd pairing guy and got $3.333 million a year.

I'm sure the Bruins would love to have Hanifin over Grz, but that's didn't mean Hanifin is a NEED for the Bruins. Hanifin would be a nice to have, but doesn't address a need.

Backlund just doesn't fit what Boston needs now and going forward. He's 34yr old and coming off a career year. Coming into last season his 3yr average was around a 45pt center. That's basically what Coyle has been for us, only playing in a 3rd line role.

Yes and so by your logic, Krejci at $1m last season was just a 4th liner as well then hey!?…

Lots of guys take Team Friendly deals, which is what I’m suggesting Backlund might take and would imagine is what Shattenkirk & Lucic took to join a competitive team and in a city they’d prefer to play
Jul. 31, 2023 at 11:05 a.m.
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Yes and so by your logic, Krejci at $1m last season was just a 4th liner as well then hey!?…

Lots of guys take Team Friendly deals, which is what I’m suggesting Backlund might take and would imagine is what Shattenkirk & Lucic took to join a competitive team and in a city they’d prefer to play


You're comparing Apples and Tires with this one

Krejci played his entire career with Boston, took a year off and when he returned said he would only play for Boston. He signed a $1 million salary with $2 million in easy performance incentives to get him $3 million.

Lucic was drafted by Boston, won a cup in Boston and is likely retiring after this season. His $1 million contract also has and additional $500k in easily obtainable performances bonusses, so he likely will end up making more than the $1 million cap hit he shows today.

Shattenkirk, who has never played for Boston could have signed with any team he wanted. Top 4 RHD are hard to come by in the NHL so you'd imagine he'd have a list of teams wanting his services (if teams thought he was a capable Top 4 d-man)....yet he signed with Boston for $1 million to play a 3rd pairing role.
Jul. 31, 2023 at 1:40 p.m.
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You're comparing Apples and Tires with this one

Krejci played his entire career with Boston, took a year off and when he returned said he would only play for Boston. He signed a $1 million salary with $2 million in easy performance incentives to get him $3 million.

Lucic was drafted by Boston, won a cup in Boston and is likely retiring after this season. His $1 million contract also has and additional $500k in easily obtainable performances bonusses, so he likely will end up making more than the $1 million cap hit he shows today.

Shattenkirk, who has never played for Boston could have signed with any team he wanted. Top 4 RHD are hard to come by in the NHL so you'd imagine he'd have a list of teams wanting his services (if teams thought he was a capable Top 4 d-man)....yet he signed with Boston for $1 million to play a 3rd pairing role.

Not really. Shattenkirk could have easily commanded more, he simply and obviously chose to accept less to play closer to home in the Eastern USA.

It’s really not that uncommon. Not all players care about getting the most money, especially when it comes to the end of their careers and if they want to chase a cup

In any event, Shattenkirk is still a good RD, but I’d prefer Carlo too and if BOS does want Hanifin, it’ll cost something significant, but he may end up going to PIT instead
Jul. 31, 2023 at 2:44 p.m.
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Not really. Shattenkirk could have easily commanded more, he simply and obviously chose to accept less to play closer to home in the Eastern USA.

It’s really not that uncommon. Not all players care about getting the most money, especially when it comes to the end of their careers and if they want to chase a cup

In any event, Shattenkirk is still a good RD, but I’d prefer Carlo too and if BOS does want Hanifin, it’ll cost something significant, but he may end up going to PIT instead


Even if he took less, a Top 4 d-man at $1 million is like having Patrice Bergeron on league min. Shattenkirk signed with a team where he knew his role would be that of a 3rd pairing d-man, so you're telling me to took a significant discount and a lesser role than what he actually is? Come on now

Swapping Carlo for Hanifin just makes ZERO sense for Boston, which I've explained numerous times. I know you think 34yr old Shattenkirk is a 2nd pairing guy, but he wasn't even then in ANH until there were injuries and he needed to take on a larger role....and that comes directly from a group of Ducks fans that I chat with and are very knowledgeable.
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Even if he took less, a Top 4 d-man at $1 million is like having Patrice Bergeron on league min. Shattenkirk signed with a team where he knew his role would be that of a 3rd pairing d-man, so you're telling me to took a significant discount and a lesser role than what he actually is? Come on now

Swapping Carlo for Hanifin just makes ZERO sense for Boston, which I've explained numerous times. I know you think 34yr old Shattenkirk is a 2nd pairing guy, but he wasn't even then in ANH until there were injuries and he needed to take on a larger role....and that comes directly from a group of Ducks fans that I chat with and are very knowledgeable.

I think you just want to argue lol

Look at Shattenkirk’s minutes, those aren’t 3rd line minutes and all I said was that he could replace Carlo if need be

I also said if BOS wanted to land Hanifin it would have to be for something good that kept Calgary competitive. We’re not interested in bottom-6 forwards, picks or prospects as the main piece of the trade for him
Jul. 31, 2023 at 3:56 p.m.
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I think you just want to argue lol

Look at Shattenkirk’s minutes, those aren’t 3rd line minutes and all I said was that he could replace Carlo if need be

I also said if BOS wanted to land Hanifin it would have to be for something good that kept Calgary competitive. We’re not interested in bottom-6 forwards, picks or prospects as the main piece of the trade for him


I've looked at his minutes and they're for a cellar dweller where until injuries, Shattenkirk was supposed to be a 3rd pairing d-man. Again I've talked with knowledge Ducks fans on other sites about this and they even agreed that he's not a Top 4 d-man but would do well in a 3rd pairing role.

Who says that Boston is interested in Hanifin? They're looking to bolster their center position, Hanifin doesn't play center. I've said it before, Boston doesn't NEED Hanifin. They aren't going to move out a piece like Carlo to add a piece that doesn't fit a need. Teams have been trying to get Carlo from Boston since he came into the NHL and Carlo has always been a non-starter for Boston. They wouldn't include him in deal for guys like Horvat & Landeskog, so why would they include him for Hanifin? Boston will likely wait and see if Hanifin hits FA and see if they can make it work. Like you said, its not uncommon for players to chose to accept less to play closer to home. And if that doesn't come to fruition then guess what, its not a big deal for Boston because they aren't desperate for a top pairing LHD.
 
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