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Created by: Domiyouknowme
Team: 2023-24 Toronto Maple Leafs
Initial Creation Date: Aug. 1, 2023
Published: Aug. 1, 2023
Salary Cap Mode: Basic
Trades
TOR
  1. Thompson, Tage
  2. 2025 2nd round pick (BUF)
BUF
  1. Lajoie, Maxime
  2. Tavares, John
  3. 2024 1st round pick (TOR)
Additional Details:
3 million retained salary.
DraftRound 1Round 2Round 3Round 4Round 5Round 6Round 7
2024
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2025
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2026
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ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
22$83,500,000$81,711,807$0$0$1,788,193
Left WingCentreRight Wing
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$5,500,000$5,500,000
LW, RW
NMC
UFA - 1
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$11,640,250$11,640,250
C
NMC
UFA - 1
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$10,903,000$10,903,000
RW
NMC
UFA - 2
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$3,000,000$3,000,000
C, RW
M-NTC
UFA - 1
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$7,142,857$7,142,857
C
UFA - 7
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$6,962,366$6,962,366
RW
NMC
UFA - 1
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$2,100,000$2,100,000
RW, C, LW
M-NTC
UFA - 3
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$2,400,000$2,400,000
C
M-NTC
UFA - 4
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$1,350,000$1,350,000
RW
UFA - 3
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$925,000$925,000
LW, RW
RFA - 2
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$800,000$800,000
C, LW
RFA - 2
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$1,150,000$1,150,000
RW, C, LW
UFA - 1
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$775,000$775,000
C
UFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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$7,500,000$7,500,000
LD
NMC
UFA - 7
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$4,150,000$4,150,000
RD
M-NTC
UFA - 1
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$3,550,000$3,550,000
G
UFA - 1
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$2,000,000$2,000,000
LD/RD
M-NTC
UFA - 2
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$5,000,000$5,000,000
LD/RD
M-NTC
UFA - 1
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$766,667$766,667
G
RFA - 2
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$800,000$800,000
LD
UFA - 1
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$1,400,000$1,400,000
RD
RFA - 1
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$1,100,000$1,100,000
RD
RFA - 2
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
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$796,667$796,667
LW, RW
RFA - 1
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$5,625,000$5,625,000
LD
M-NTC
UFA - 1
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$4,687,500$4,687,500
G
M-NTC
UFA - 1

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Aug. 1, 2023 at 11:13 a.m.
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Holy frick no
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Aug. 1, 2023 at 11:15 a.m.
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Why?
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Aug. 1, 2023 at 11:22 a.m.
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If the Sabers did trade Tage for some odd reason it would be to a west coast team simular to the Eichel deal
Aug. 1, 2023 at 11:27 a.m.
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Why?


Because Tage>>> pajama boi.

Sabres have absolutely zero reason to trade tage at all.
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Aug. 1, 2023 at 11:29 a.m.
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Unless an eastern conference team made an offer that would benefit the sabres. Their cap situation would remain more or less the same in this deal and they would be getting veteran leadership as well as 25-35 goals per year from john tavares. not as much of an offensive threat as thompson but when you consider the other aspects of their games this deal makes a lot more sense than what it does a first glance.
Aug. 1, 2023 at 11:31 a.m.
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Quoting: wojme
Because Tage>>> pajama boi.

Sabres have absolutely zero reason to trade tage at all.


They do if the value is there, the sabres have been looking for a veteran who can lead the team with his words and with his ability to play the game. Tavares being of course that veteran leader can still put up 25-35 goals per year and he has better defensive numbers than Tage.
Aug. 1, 2023 at 11:33 a.m.
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Unless an eastern conference team made an offer that would benefit the sabres. Their cap situation would remain more or less the same in this deal and they would be getting veteran leadership as well as 25-35 goals per year from john tavares. not as much of an offensive threat as thompson but when you consider the other aspects of their games this deal makes a lot more sense than what it does a first glance.


No it doesn’t at all. Tage is signed for 7 years. You held salary for 2 on JT. Tage is better than JT. The prospect is irrelevant (not even a prospect at age 25). The held salary makes it JT at Tages cap hit. So Buffalo gets the worse, older player for 2 years and then Tor gets the value contract for 5 years after, all to move up to late first rounder from a second (I know years are different). The trade is a joke
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Aug. 1, 2023 at 11:37 a.m.
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They do if the value is there, the sabres have been looking for a veteran who can lead the team with his words and with his ability to play the game. Tavares being of course that veteran leader can still put up 25-35 goals per year and he has better defensive numbers than Tage.


He’s mildly better defensively than Tage, but not particularly good at defense. He’s also mikes behind Tage in offensive production at their current ages. So Tage makes up for being a little more bad at defense by being way better at offense, signed for 7 years at a great value. It’s not close at all
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Aug. 1, 2023 at 11:38 a.m.
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They do if the value is there, the sabres have been looking for a veteran who can lead the team with his words and with his ability to play the game. Tavares being of course that veteran leader can still put up 25-35 goals per year and he has better defensive numbers than Tage.


Tage is already a leader along with tuch and dahlin. They have veteran presence from Okposo girgs and now Erik Johnson. Last time I checked 40- possibly 60 goals is better than so called "veteran leadership" and 25 goals. Also, a 25 year old 7x7 contract is a lot better than a 32 year old soon to be UFA. This trade is bad value and makes no sense for the Sabres.
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Aug. 1, 2023 at 11:42 a.m.
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No it doesn’t at all. Tage is signed for 7 years. You held salary for 2 on JT. Tage is better than JT. The prospect is irrelevant (not even a prospect at age 25). The held salary makes it JT at Tages cap hit. So Buffalo gets the worse, older player for 2 years and then Tor gets the value contract for 5 years after, all to move up to late first rounder from a second (I know years are different). The trade is a joke


I think you're missing the veteran leadership that JT would bring to the sabres, something they've lacked and needed for the last 5 years
Aug. 1, 2023 at 11:45 a.m.
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I think you're missing the veteran leadership that JT would bring to the sabres, something they've lacked and needed for the last 5 years


I think you're missing the point that tage is far more valuable than JT and they already have veteran presence.
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Aug. 1, 2023 at 11:47 a.m.
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I think you're missing the veteran leadership that JT would bring to the sabres, something they've lacked and needed for the last 5 years


The veteran leadership that’s gotten the vastly superior leafs out of the first round 1 time in 5 years? Think Buffalo will pass on that “leadership”
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Aug. 1, 2023 at 11:49 a.m.
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The veteran leadership that’s gotten the vastly superior leafs out of the first round 1 time in 5 years? Think Buffalo will pass on that “leadership”


Well I mean Buffalo can't make the playoffs without the veteran leadership so I'd take a trip to the playoffs with veteran leadership over golfing in april without it and day.
Aug. 1, 2023 at 11:51 a.m.
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I think you're missing the point that tage is far more valuable than JT and they already have veteran presence.


They don't have a veteran that can honestly contribute as well as be a leader in the locker room. Jeff Skinner may be a veteran with the ability to score but he's not a leader.
Aug. 1, 2023 at 11:53 a.m.
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They don't have a veteran that can honestly contribute as well as be a leader in the locker room. Jeff Skinner may be a veteran with the ability to score but he's not a leader.


You keep throwing around this veteran idea like it's going to automatically change the value of this awful trade for buffalo. IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE
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Aug. 1, 2023 at 11:56 a.m.
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You keep throwing around this veteran idea like it's going to automatically change the value of this awful trade for buffalo. IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE


No I'm explaining the fact that Veteran Leadership adds value to this deal.
Aug. 1, 2023 at 11:56 a.m.
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Well I mean Buffalo can't make the playoffs without the veteran leadership so I'd take a trip to the playoffs with veteran leadership over golfing in april without it and day.


Good one. You aren’t wrong that Buffalo hasn’t made the playoffs. You are wrong in it’s good asset management to trade arguably a top 5 value contract and top 15 center in the NHL for a 2C who probably won’t be happy being traded from his childhood team and possibly become a malcontent. But leadership.
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Aug. 1, 2023 at 11:56 a.m.
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No I'm explaining the fact that Veteran Leadership adds value to this deal.


It doesn't
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Aug. 1, 2023 at 11:58 a.m.
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No I'm explaining the fact that Veteran Leadership adds value to this deal.


Kinda acting like it really is the only thing that matters. Because every other part of comparing the two guys leans at least a toss up to heavily Tage’s way. Also, my guess is the leadership goes out the window when he’s unwantedly traded
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Aug. 1, 2023 at 12:02 p.m.
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Kinda acting like it really is the only thing that matters. Because every other part of comparing the two guys leans at least a toss up to heavily Tage’s way. Also, my guess is the leadership goes out the window when he’s unwantedly traded


I never said leadership was the only thing that mattered, I did state that JT can still contribute great offensive numbers and is a better defensive player. but with leadership factoring as well, this deal becomes a lot less lopsided then you're assuming it to be
Aug. 1, 2023 at 12:03 p.m.
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It doesn't


Yes it does
Aug. 1, 2023 at 12:05 p.m.
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I never said leadership was the only thing that mattered, I did state that JT can still contribute great offensive numbers and is a better defensive player. but with leadership factoring as well, this deal becomes a lot less lopsided then you're assuming it to be


Tage contributes far better offense and minimally worse defensive numbers. This deal is very lopsided of you look at it through your leafs homer glasses.
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Aug. 1, 2023 at 12:08 p.m.
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I never said leadership was the only thing that mattered, I did state that JT can still contribute great offensive numbers and is a better defensive player. but with leadership factoring as well, this deal becomes a lot less lopsided then you're assuming it to be


JT isn’t good defensively. He’s neutral at best. And Tage isn’t terrible at it, he’s just mildly bad. So the impact JT has on the ice defensively doesn’t overtake the fact that Tage is vastly superior offensively. Now the leadership aspect. Do you really think that JT is gonna be happy being traded? Will be maintain being this obviously best leader in the NHL (that can’t push his team when needed)? Or will he become a problem because he forced his way to only TOR, and now is in a place he doesn’t want to be?

How about contract length? Does that matter to you? What about age? What about Tage growing with the young core together and becoming leaders themselves?

Literally makes zero sense and you trying to push it because “leadership” is laughable. Keep going if you want, this is terrible, you know it is, I’m done here.
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Aug. 1, 2023 at 12:09 p.m.
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Never trading Tavares
Aug. 1, 2023 at 12:12 p.m.
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Tage contributes far better offense and minimally worse defensive numbers. This deal is very lopsided of you look at it through your leafs homer glasses.


Tage put up 47 goals this year, JT scored 36, The offense isn't all towards Tage, and Tage only had 3 more assists than johnny with 47. So Tage isn't that much better offensively than Tavares. And Tavares is still better on the defensive side of the puck.
 
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