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Team: 2023-24 Toronto Maple Leafs
Initial Creation Date: Aug. 1, 2023
Published: Aug. 1, 2023
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Aug. 1, 2023 at 5:51 p.m.
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The only way LA agrees to that is if Toronto signs Nylander to a long-term deal and retains 50% on the whole thing.
Aug. 1, 2023 at 5:55 p.m.
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The only way LA agrees to that is if Toronto signs Nylander to a long-term deal and retains 50% on the whole thing.


Even though you very much hate the leafs. You are right that LA can't afford Nylander.
Aug. 1, 2023 at 5:58 p.m.
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Even though you very much hate the leafs. You are right that LA can't afford Nylander.


I don't hate the Leafs. I'm fairly indifferent on the Leafs.

Leafs fans on the other hand....
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Aug. 1, 2023 at 5:59 p.m.
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Quoting: tkecanuck341
I don't hate the Leafs. I'm fairly indifferent on the Leafs.

Leafs fans on the other hand....


Dude, you definitely have a negative bias against the leafs. It's all good though, it's what we all can expect on this site.
Aug. 1, 2023 at 6:02 p.m.
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Dude, you definitely have a negative bias against the leafs. It's all good though, it's what we all can expect on this site.


I'm just amused that Leafs fans think that the 4th or 5th best player on the Leafs would instantly be the best player on 25+ other teams in the league.
Aug. 1, 2023 at 6:37 p.m.
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Not adding lily
Aug. 1, 2023 at 7:04 p.m.
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I'm just amused that Leafs fans think that the 4th or 5th best player on the Leafs would instantly be the best player on 25+ other teams in the league.


I wouldn't say 25 other teams the fact you call Willy the 4th or 5th best player on the leafs just shows you have no idea how good Willy is.
Aug. 1, 2023 at 7:11 p.m.
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I wouldn't say 25 other teams the fact you call Willy the 4th or 5th best player on the leafs just shows you have no idea how good Willy is.


Says a biased Leafs fan.
Aug. 1, 2023 at 7:14 p.m.
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Says a biased Leafs fan.


Says someone who knows how good he is.
Aug. 1, 2023 at 7:16 p.m.
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Quoting: RipNasty
Says someone who knows how good he is.


And I know how good Mikey Anderson is, which is why I know the Kings wouldn't touch this with a 10-foot pole.
Aug. 1, 2023 at 7:18 p.m.
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Quoting: tkecanuck341
And I know how good Mikey Anderson is, which is why I know the Kings wouldn't touch this with a 10-foot pole.


You just hate Willy eh? Let me guess he'd be the 10th best player in LA?
Aug. 1, 2023 at 7:22 p.m.
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You just hate Willy eh? Let me guess he'd be the 10th best player in LA?


No, but he'd probably be the 3rd best forward, and would require a team high cap-hit to re-sign.

Not to mention that it would also require the Kings to give up their likely future captain in Mikey Anderson who is signed for another 8 years at an incredibly team-friendly cap hit. Then throw in Byfield on top of that?

Note that this ACGM doesn't say there's an extension included, so this is all for 1 season of Nylander.
Aug. 1, 2023 at 7:27 p.m.
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LA isn’t trading the upside of Byfield for a rental (especially a winger) and trading away their second best defenceman for a borderline nhl player in liljegren.
Aug. 1, 2023 at 8:23 p.m.
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I'm just amused that Leafs fans think that the 4th or 5th best player on the Leafs would instantly be the best player on 25+ other teams in the league.


He would 100% be the best player on LA offensively. Van, he would be the 2nd best point wise and best goal scorer. Idk what your point is, but Willie would be 1st or 2nd best best player on most teams in the league. Your statement about 3rd or 4th best on the leafs when Marner or Matthews would be the best player on at least 25 other teams in the league.
Aug. 1, 2023 at 8:27 p.m.
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idk

He would 100% be the best player on LA offensively. Van, he would be the 2nd best point wise and best goal scorer. Idk what your point is, but Willie would be 1st or 2nd best best player on most teams in the league. Your statement about 3rd or 4th best on the leafs when Marner or Matthews would be the best player on at least 25 other teams in the league.


Yea, this is what makes me chuckle about Leafs fans.

He's not better than Kopitar, offensively or defensively. I think Fiala is better offensively too. I think Kempe is a better goal scorer, although I won't dismiss that Nylander might have a better all-around offensive game than Kempe (even though Kempe is by far the superior defensive player). Not to mention that all three of these guys will be significantly less expensive than Nylander starting in 2024-25.
Aug. 1, 2023 at 8:42 p.m.
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Yea, this is what makes me chuckle about Leafs fans.

He's not better than Kopitar, offensively or defensively. I think Fiala is better offensively too. I think Kempe is a better goal scorer, although I won't dismiss that Nylander might have a better all-around offensive game than Kempe (even though Kempe is by far the superior defensive player). Not to mention that all three of these guys will be significantly less expensive than Nylander starting in 2024-25.


Kopitar isn't better than Willie, in his prime for sure but numbers don't lie. Kempe had 1 more goal and 20 less points than Nylander last year. There both the same age and Willie has almost 180 more points than Kempe. Fiala, same age as Nylander and 75 less career points. Numbers don't lie, look at them before you make statements with no substance.
Aug. 1, 2023 at 8:52 p.m.
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Quoting: tkecanuck341
No, but he'd probably be the 3rd best forward, and would require a team high cap-hit to re-sign.

Not to mention that it would also require the Kings to give up their likely future captain in Mikey Anderson who is signed for another 8 years at an incredibly team-friendly cap hit. Then throw in Byfield on top of that?

Note that this ACGM doesn't say there's an extension included, so this is all for 1 season of Nylander.


I absolutely know you'd change your tune if you had him. He's going to get better yet, have a couple huge seasons where he puts it all together for a whole season. Everyone says he's in consistent and soft when he's not on his game and yet he just scored 40 goals and 87 points. What does a complete season look like from him?
Aug. 1, 2023 at 8:55 p.m.
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Kopitar isn't better than Willie, in his prime for sure but numbers don't lie. Kempe had 1 more goal and 20 less points than Nylander last year. There both the same age and Willie has almost 180 more points than Kempe. Fiala, same age as Nylander and 75 less career points. Numbers don't lie, look at them before you make statements with no substance.


You're completely ignoring the context in which they play. Kopitar regularly puts up top quality numbers regardless of who he plays with. He had Alex Iafallo and Dustin Brown on his wings and put up a career high 92 points. He has had several seasons where he put up 30+ points more than any other player on the Kings. He has led the Kings in points in every single season of his career except for two (one of which was his rookie season). He has also put up incredible point totals while playing on a team that has struggled to score. So yes, Kopitar is better than Nylander offensively.

Players don't play in a vacuum. Don't pretend that they do.
Aug. 1, 2023 at 8:55 p.m.
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I absolutely know you'd change your tune if you had him. He's going to get better yet, have a couple huge seasons where he puts it all together for a whole season. Everyone says he's in consistent and soft when he's not on his game and yet he just scored 40 goals and 87 points. What does a complete season look like from him?


Great, after he has those seasons, the Kings might be willing to give up this haul for him.
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