1. Pinto is best accustomed as a 3rd line centre because that's his "bread and butter".


2. Ottawa does not need to upgrade at centre, so there's no need for Scheifele.


3. Ottawa does not need more LD depth and if you want to get Logan Stanley closer to home, I suggest trading him to the Leafs.

I don’t see ottawa wanting to sign Scheifele till his late 30s at 8+ mill

Maybe? from the Sabres
Would more likely be a mid season move for us, than one we’d do right now though

As a Sens fan this wouldn't make sense... Already dealing with cap issues and this would put them way over, and wouldn't be able to afford Scheifele extension, also would put a log jam at center with 3 guys who are all potential 1st line centers (Stützle, Norris and Scheifele)

in my opinion you have a better chance at getting Norris than Pinto. Pinto is a lot cheaper right now (AVV) and is still a RFA so fits perfectly for the 3C role as of now. Norris making $8m a year wouldn't be bad to move on from considering he is coming back from a significant injury and Stützle took over the 1C while he was injured (was a matter of time). Also, this would avoid the log jam this way as it would most likely be Stützle 1C and Scheifele 2C.

Ottawa already has there Scheifele in Giroux. They do not need more veterans on the team. This team is going to be moving up the rankings pretty soon with what they have. They could possibly need an upgrade in Goal, but time will tell if Korp can handle it.

It’s not the worst idea, it just doesn’t make sense for Ottawa. The package is probably about right on what it would take to acquire Scheifele but I doubt Ottawa could afford him past this season. Think they’d rather just hold onto pinto and see what he does this year in a 3C role rather than having to play on the 2nd line with Norris hurt. And he’ll be cheaper so works out better that way for them.

A lot of things doesn't work for Ottawa here :

- Center is really NOT a position of need with Stutzle, Norris, Pinto (+ Greig and Ostapchuk if there was a spot in the future)

- Sens don't have cap space, they can't ADD more salary

- Scheifele is really NOT the type of player the Sens need to add (all offense, no defense)

- Sens didn't want to trade Pinto for Chychrun (and DeBrincat I believe), which were more team needs. Why would they trade him now for an UFA to be that they don't need?

- Sens might not be very interested in trading another 1st round pick after they didn't have one for 2 years (3 if you count Boucher, which I do), particularly for an UFA-to-be

- If a small % of the rumors about Scheifele are true, he's really not the type of character the Sens would target

- Also wouldn't make sense for them to trade a young player for a 30 y/o who will want a huge contract that will make him overpaid in the near future

- No spot/interest in Stanley as well

Let's say you think Scheifele is an upgrade on Pinto, which he would be OFFENSIVELY, but then you have either him or Norris as the 3rd line center? That'd be quite the waste... Plus, there's already not enough PP time to share with everybody. Sens need to get better defensively, not worse.


Yes they are both vets but that's where the comparison stops, Giroux is a premium 2-way forward, aging like fine wine too


Scheifele is UFA-to-be and quite overrated (always among the worst defensive metrics). Any team paying a 1st (that could be anywhere) and a young player like Pinto will regret it. Plus there's no garantee he'd re-sign there

Even if there was cap space to acquire him, I wouldn't dangle any of Pinto, Greig, Kleven, 1st round picks.... It would be lower tier assets

I actually like the idea, but like you said, it would probably be mid-season. Basically, I think we got a brief look at stillman, and he was better than advertised. He came from Vancouver with horrific stats (he was paired with Myers there, do what you will with that), he wasn't awful here, I would think stillman would have to fall on his face or one of the other lefties would have to be injured long term- for it to make sense.

Assuming we keep Samuelsson & Dahlin together,
I’m interested to see how the rest of our defense plays out
Will it be Clifton or E.Johnson with Power?
Or does Jokiharju get another shot?

And who gets the LD3 slot?
Is it Stillman, or do we move one of the RD over there?
Or do we break up the top pair & have Samuelsson anchor the 3rd pair???


Could go in a variety of directions

This trade shows a massively poor understanding of OTT's position and desires

it's capfriendly. the tagline could be "massively poor understanding"
It's all hypothetical to start conversation during a slow time in the NHL

These defensive stats talk needs to be looked at a whole lot better by people if they are going to make false claims. The guy is a career + player in the NHL. Yes, the past 2 years have been a slide for him, but on a really poor defensive team. He is also the guy who sometimes slots in on the 4th line and that line gets beat up a lot because of lack of depth. He was also not that bad compared to others.

Jordan Kyrou -38
Johnny Gaudreau -33
Alex Debrincat -31
Nicklas Backstrom -25
Patrick Kane -22
Ryan O'Reilly -21
Alex Ovechkin -16
Mark Scheifele -16

These are all prominent players in the NHL and only Ovechkin scored 40 + goals last year and all of these players made more than Scheifele. Their are a ton more, but I will leave that for everyone to look up on their own.

+/- is not the way to evaluate defensive play... Scheifele is a career +46, Pageau is +18... who do you think is better?

I mean that is you sole argument and you talk about people making false claims? Maybe 10-15 years ago when we didn't know much about advanced stats but now? +/- is meaningless.