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Team: 2024-25 Montreal Canadiens
Initial Creation Date: Aug. 22, 2023
Published: Aug. 22, 2023
Salary Cap Mode: Basic
Free Agent Signings
RESERVE LISTYEARSCAP HIT
3$875,000
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
3$2,225,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
7$9,500,000
4$3,500,000
7$13,500,000
Trades
1.
MTL
ARI
  1. Armia, Joel
  2. Harris, Jordan
  3. 2025 3rd round pick (MTL)
2.
MTL
CHI
  1. Dvorak, Christian
  2. 2025 4th round pick (DET)
3.
MTL
  1. 2025 4th round pick (LAK)
Retained Salary Transactions
DraftRound 1Round 2Round 3Round 4Round 5Round 6Round 7
2024
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2025
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2026
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ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
22$87,000,000$82,574,583$1,022,500$4,920,000$4,425,417
Left WingCentreRight Wing
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$2,900,000$2,900,000
C, LW
RFA - 3
$13,500,000$13,500,000
C
UFA - 4
$9,500,000$9,500,000
RW
UFA - 8
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$7,850,000$7,850,000
LW, RW
UFA - 7
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$7,875,000$7,875,000
C
UFA - 6
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$5,500,000$5,500,000
RW, LW
M-NTC
UFA - 3
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$950,000$950,000 (Performance Bonus$3,500,000$4M)
RW, LW
RFA - 1
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$3,362,500$3,362,500
C, RW
RFA - 2
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$6,500,000$6,500,000
RW, LW
M-NTC, NMC
UFA - 3
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$1,100,000$1,100,000
LW, RW
RFA - 1
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$1,700,000$1,700,000
C
UFA - 1
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$835,000$835,000
LW, RW
RFA - 2
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$812,500$812,500
LW, RW
UFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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$4,875,000$4,875,000
LD
M-NTC
UFA - 2
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$2,225,000$2,225,000
RD
RFA
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$3,500,000$3,500,000
G
UFA - 3
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$863,333$863,333 (Performance Bonus$420,000$420K)
LD/RD
RFA - 1
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$875,000$875,000
RD
RFA - 2
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$1,925,000$1,925,000
G
M-NTC
UFA - 1
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$875,000$875,000
LD
RFA - 2
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$918,333$918,333 (Performance Bonus$1,000,000$1M)
RD
RFA - 3
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$766,667$766,667
RD
UFA - 1
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
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$10,500,000$10,500,000
G
NMC
UFA - 2

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Aug. 22, 2023 at 7:14 p.m.
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My worst nightmare
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Aug. 22, 2023 at 7:47 p.m.
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Five seasons of a re-signed 29-year-old Matt Roy >>> one season of a 34-year-old David Savard
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Aug. 22, 2023 at 7:53 p.m.
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Unless Dvorak has a breakout season offensively, it takes more than a 4th to dump that contract. Hawks won't want a 3C making $5.7m in actual salary just to pick up an extra 4th.
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Aug. 22, 2023 at 7:57 p.m.
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Quoting: Hawksguy81
Unless Dvorak has a breakout season offensively, it takes more than a 4th to dump that contract. Hawks won't want a 3C making $5.7m in actual salary just to pick up an extra 4th.


Dont see how a 27 yr old top9 center with a year of term under 4.5M cap hit (dont see why you are even mentioning dollars paid with a rich org but i guess) and Dvo is a guy that wins faceoffs which is never a cap dump but to each his own.

This trade is easily the least noteworthy thing on the ACGM to nitpick someone's salary to cap hit.
Aug. 22, 2023 at 7:59 p.m.
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Dont see how a 27 yr old top9 center with a year of term under 4.5M cap hit (dont see why you are even mentioning dollars paid with a rich org but i guess) and Dvo is a guy that wins faceoffs which is never a cap dump but to each his own.


4.5 mil a year is pretty steep for a guy who has never hit 40 points in his life, and is a complete and utter defensive liability. Defensive metrics are in the gutter. So outside of faceoffs, what does he provide?
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Aug. 22, 2023 at 8:06 p.m.
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Dont see how a 27 yr old top9 center with a year of term under 4.5M cap hit (dont see why you are even mentioning dollars paid with a rich org but i guess) and Dvo is a guy that wins faceoffs which is never a cap dump but to each his own.

This trade is easily the least noteworthy thing on the ACGM to nitpick someone's salary to cap hit.


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4.5 mil a year is pretty steep for a guy who has never hit 40 points in his life, and is a complete and utter defensive liability. Defensive metrics are in the gutter. So outside of faceoffs, what does he provide?


Thanks Juice. I was typing something very similar. You beat me to it. You are pretty much spot on!
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Aug. 22, 2023 at 8:07 p.m.
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Quoting: Juiceman
4.5 mil a year is pretty steep for a guy who has never hit 40 points in his life, and is a complete and utter defensive liability. Defensive metrics are in the gutter. So outside of faceoffs, what does he provide?


This is the same lazy narrative that ppl said about Monahan last season. Very comparable players. They both play on a dreadful team which effects metrics which is heavily flawed on bottom feeder teams. Both can score. Dvo has about .5PPG player his entire career facing teams top lines. 4.5M isnt close to overpaid. especially when the cap is expected to go up 5%.
Aug. 22, 2023 at 8:11 p.m.
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This is the same lazy narrative that ppl said about Monahan last season. Very comparable players. They both play on a dreadful team which effects metrics which is heavily flawed on bottom feeder teams. Both can score. Dvo has about .5PPG player his entire career facing teams top lines. 4.5M isnt close to overpaid. especially when the cap is expected to go up 5%.


Meh, Monahan has actually shown to be a good player before, and he was still dumped along with a 1st round pick for 1 year of his contract. In this market where better players are being bought out and traded for future considerations, I'd imagine Dvorak is definitely a cap dump. Also what point are you trying to make with Monahan?
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Aug. 22, 2023 at 9:15 p.m.
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Quoting: Juiceman
Meh, Monahan has actually shown to be a good player before, and he was still dumped along with a 1st round pick for 1 year of his contract. In this market where better players are being bought out and traded for future considerations, I'd imagine Dvorak is definitely a cap dump. Also what point are you trying to make with Monahan?

Dvorak’s value is probably at an all time down, but I don’t think he is a cap dump. He is overpaid by about 1m yes, but that doesn’t tank his value. Plus, this acgm is made for next year, and if Dvo has a good season (still a strong possibility), let’s say 40 points, his value will go up. At one year left, he could have some great value.

Also, this acgm is probably the worst nightmare for leafs fans… and habs fans. Paying 2 top player that kind of money will turn us into the last decade leafs
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Aug. 22, 2023 at 9:36 p.m.
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Dvorak’s value is probably at an all time down, but I don’t think he is a cap dump. He is overpaid by about 1m yes, but that doesn’t tank his value. Plus, this acgm is made for next year, and if Dvo has a good season (still a strong possibility), let’s say 40 points, his value will go up. At one year left, he could have some great value.

Also, this acgm is probably the worst nightmare for leafs fans… and habs fans. Paying 2 top player that kind of money will turn us into the last decade leafs


Exactly. The same dribble was going on about Monahan's metrics last season despite most Habs fans being over the moon with his play. Time and again we've seen the fancy stats darlings crash and the fancy stat niche black holes like a Tom Wilson overcome and be integral parts of a winning club.

Dvo's traits are in demand around the league. Scarcity needs to be factored in. 4.45M cap hit for what he provides is well worth the investment when you are comparing whats available around the league. Overpaying is almost thought as some kind of benchmark for a bad move when you SHOULD overpay for what you need.
The Oilers overpaid for Kulak, they overpaid for Ekholm, etc, etc You identify needs and plug holes.
There is no Brandon Hagel available at under 2M per season at each corner.

Dvorak will have interest from around 6-12 teams, easily (many teams were interested in that 2021 offseason deal from Zona and reports are hes still highly regarded) for what he brings whether you think he should be paid 3M-5M, it doesnt matter, you will take a small loss in the beginning to guarantee the 28 year old center.
I swear if McDavid was somehow overpaid by a few million ppl some here would make it a talking point.
Aug. 22, 2023 at 9:41 p.m.
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Quoting: GuyGuyGuy
Dvorak’s value is probably at an all time down, but I don’t think he is a cap dump. He is overpaid by about 1m yes, but that doesn’t tank his value. Plus, this acgm is made for next year, and if Dvo has a good season (still a strong possibility), let’s say 40 points, his value will go up. At one year left, he could have some great value.

Also, this acgm is probably the worst nightmare for leafs fans… and habs fans. Paying 2 top player that kind of money will turn us into the last decade leafs


How much value would you say Garland has? He’s better at literally everything in the sport except Faceoffs. People here treat him like a cap dump
Aug. 22, 2023 at 10:04 p.m.
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How much value would you say Garland has? He’s better at literally everything in the sport except Faceoffs. People here treat him like a cap dump

For now, Garland’s value is probably around a fifth. Yes, he is better, but his contract is longer. Also, his acquisition price is probably much lower than Dvorak. Canucks are close to the cap and they are probably shipping him. Montreal has the cap space to keep Dvo (plus for now he is injured). If you want him, you will have to pay the price Hughes demand (wich is probably a second)
Aug. 23, 2023 at 2:32 a.m.
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Thanks Juice. I was typing something very similar. You beat me to it. You are pretty much spot on!


I liked Dvo in AZ but he is overpaid (cap and salary) he is a solid 3C nothing more nothing less.
For the AZ no thanks to Armia in 9 years in NHL only once played over 60 games and only once over 12G pass the 3rd sweetner isnt enough AZ has 37 picks in next 3 years (add 14 last draft)
Aug. 23, 2023 at 9:31 a.m.
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Let's make it simple. Hawks don't have a spot in the lineup for Dvorak right now. So it takes more than a 4th to dump him on the Hawks. No dice.
Aug. 23, 2023 at 11:42 a.m.
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Quoting: Andy_Dick
Exactly. The same dribble was going on about Monahan's metrics last season despite most Habs fans being over the moon with his play. Time and again we've seen the fancy stats darlings crash and the fancy stat niche black holes like a Tom Wilson overcome and be integral parts of a winning club.

Dvo's traits are in demand around the league. Scarcity needs to be factored in. 4.45M cap hit for what he provides is well worth the investment when you are comparing whats available around the league. Overpaying is almost thought as some kind of benchmark for a bad move when you SHOULD overpay for what you need.
The Oilers overpaid for Kulak, they overpaid for Ekholm, etc, etc You identify needs and plug holes.
There is no Brandon Hagel available at under 2M per season at each corner.

Dvorak will have interest from around 6-12 teams, easily (many teams were interested in that 2021 offseason deal from Zona and reports are hes still highly regarded) for what he brings whether you think he should be paid 3M-5M, it doesnt matter, you will take a small loss in the beginning to guarantee the 28 year old center.
I swear if McDavid was somehow overpaid by a few million ppl some here would make it a talking point.


You speak as if we are MTL fans nit picking the trade, but we are CHI fans. CHI has no need for forwards, let alone a 27 year old massively underperforming one, and he is definitely overpaid by more than $1m. If ya'll like him so much, then keep him. The MTL echo chamber is laughably awful, just ask fans of any other team. If you think you can find a team to take on over $11M in total salary for a 4th round pick, then by all means, go for it, but that team will never be CHI.

Yeah. People said the same thing about Monahan, and guess what? MTL got a 1st round pick to take on his awful contract. Being streaky in a single season after a change of scenery doesn't change the way he is viewed around the league. So, you want someone to take a chance on a bad contract that could potentially turn out better, like the Monahan dump, then pay a 1st round pick to move him. Otherwise, get out of here with your pretentious attitude toward people with valid reasons for not wanting your teams garbage.
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You speak as if we are MTL fans nit picking the trade, but we are CHI fans. CHI has no need for forwards, let alone a 27 year old massively underperforming one, and he is definitely overpaid by more than $1m. If ya'll like him so much, then keep him. The MTL echo chamber is laughably awful, just ask fans of any other team. If you think you can find a team to take on over $11M in total salary for a 4th round pick, then by all means, go for it, but that team will never be CHI.

Yeah. People said the same thing about Monahan, and guess what? MTL got a 1st round pick to take on his awful contract. Being streaky in a single season after a change of scenery doesn't change the way he is viewed around the league. So, you want someone to take a chance on a bad contract that could potentially turn out better, like the Monahan dump, then pay a 1st round pick to move him. Otherwise, get out of here with your pretentious attitude toward people with valid reasons for not wanting your teams garbage.


Maybe read the post instead of being hostile. Its 2024 which means 4.45M AAV cap hit not your nitpicked, incorrect numbers of 11M and I was never arguing that Chicago take him but that Dvorak wasnt a cap dump.
Looping together a whole fan base with ad hominem attacks isnt a good look on you. But continue on your long winded diatribe of nonsense.
Aug. 23, 2023 at 12:08 p.m.
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Maybe read the post instead of being hostile. Its 2024 which means 4.45M AAV cap hit not your nitpicked, incorrect numbers of 11M and I was never arguing that Chicago take him but that Dvorak wasnt a cap dump.
Looping together a whole fan base with ad hominem attacks isnt a good look on you. But continue on your long winded diatribe of nonsense.


I said TOTAL SALARY, not cap hit. He has a salary of $5.725 this coming season, and $5.75 next season with no signing bonus, meaning CHI would be on the hook for the entirety of his 23-24 salary. That is a total of $11.475M in salary owed to him over the next two seasons. ACTUAL SALARY is absolutely a consideration of a given players trade value. Now if Dvorak's point totals were as low as they are but he was, say, a high motor defensive specialist, or had some other intangible qualities about his game that added value, I would assign him more value. But, he has massively underperformed on his contract, and you want another team to be liable for the most expensive years of said contract. He is absolutely a cap dump, along with half of MTL's roster.

This isn't just a long winded ad hominem diatribe, lumping an entire fanbase together. It has been proven over and over again that MTL fans have an absolutely bizarre and completely detached idea of player values. Literally just sort by MTL and start going through all their posts going back as far as you can bare. I don't know if its your beat writers manipulating the dialogue, but there is obviously something off about where MTL fans are getting their information and opinions. Using big words doesn't help your case, either. In fact, those "big words" just make you seem more pretentious then your snide uppity attitude does. All you have to do is look at the history of the NHL to realize that Dvorak is a cap dump that will cost significantly more than this ACGM proposes, in order to dump him.

But, again, by all means, if you think he is worth something, go get it. It just won't be CHI, and, even if you accept that he is a cap dump, it definitely takes more than a 4th round pick to move him.
 
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