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Team: 2023-24 Toronto Maple Leafs
Initial Creation Date: Aug. 23, 2023
Published: Aug. 24, 2023
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Free Agent Signings
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
2$1,750,000
Trades
1.
2.
TOR
  1. McCann, Jared ($1,000,000 retained)
SEA
  1. Nylander, William
  2. 2024 1st round pick (TOR)
DraftRound 1Round 2Round 3Round 4Round 5Round 6Round 7
2024
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2025
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2026
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ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
23$83,500,000$83,297,417$0$0$202,583
Left WingCentreRight Wing
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$3,000,000$3,000,000
C, RW
M-NTC
UFA - 1
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$11,640,250$11,640,250
C
NMC
UFA - 1
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$10,903,000$10,903,000
RW
NMC
UFA - 2
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$4,000,000$4,000,000
C, LW
M-NTC
UFA - 4
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$11,000,000$11,000,000
C, LW
NMC
UFA - 2
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$5,500,000$5,500,000
LW, RW
NMC
UFA - 1
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$925,000$925,000
LW, RW
RFA - 2
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$2,400,000$2,400,000
C
M-NTC
UFA - 4
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$2,100,000$2,100,000
RW, C, LW
M-NTC
UFA - 3
$1,750,000$1,750,000
LW
RFA - 1
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$800,000$800,000
C, LW
RFA - 2
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$1,350,000$1,350,000
RW
UFA - 3
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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$7,500,000$7,500,000
LD
NMC
UFA - 7
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$5,000,000$5,000,000
LD/RD
M-NTC
UFA - 1
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$3,550,000$3,550,000
G
UFA - 1
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$2,000,000$2,000,000
LD/RD
M-NTC
UFA - 2
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$4,150,000$4,150,000
RD
M-NTC
UFA - 1
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$766,667$766,667
G
RFA - 2
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$800,000$800,000
LD
UFA - 1
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$1,400,000$1,400,000
RD
RFA - 1
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
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$1,150,000$1,150,000
RW, C, LW
UFA - 1
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$5,625,000$5,625,000
LD
M-NTC
UFA - 1
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$837,500$837,500
G
RFA - 1
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$4,687,500$4,687,500
G
M-NTC
UFA - 1
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$775,000$775,000
LD/RD
UFA - 1

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Aug. 24, 2023 at 8:40 a.m.
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The nylander trade is insane; leafs downgrade and give up a 1st🤯? Totally non sensical - better to keep Willy & if he walks (which I doubt), sign a replacement via FA and keep pick
Aug. 24, 2023 at 8:40 a.m.
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We will definitely not be adding the first
Aug. 24, 2023 at 8:41 a.m.
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The leafs just signed Jones since he's been available this entire time. Why would the Sabres even think about trading UPL for him?
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Aug. 24, 2023 at 8:45 a.m.
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I'm not sure about the first round pick in the Seattle trade. The Buffalo trade has fair value I think but im not sure if it makes sense for either to do it
Aug. 24, 2023 at 8:47 a.m.
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Jones is pretty much worthless the 6 more than balances him and why on earth would Buffalo give up on a 24 year old UPL? Did his numbers look great last year? No. Did he have a sieve of a defense in front of him ? Absolutely. UPL is not even at the beginning of his prime goalies prime generally doesn't start until 26/27. Timmins while an upgrade on the blueline isn't needed as much as UPL
Aug. 24, 2023 at 8:52 a.m.
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Buffalo has no reason to even consider that trade.
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Aug. 24, 2023 at 8:55 a.m.
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SEA declines. Not about value or anything, it is purely about cap. SEA wouldn't be able to extend Nylander to a deal, even if he wanted to stay in SEA due to cap constraints and no way is SEA giving up McCann for a rental and a 1st
Aug. 24, 2023 at 9:03 a.m.
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SEA declines. Not about value or anything, it is purely about cap. SEA wouldn't be able to extend Nylander to a deal, even if he wanted to stay in SEA due to cap constraints and no way is SEA giving up McCann for a rental and a 1st


Seattle absolutely could afford Nylander and McCann isn't worth Nylander at all. It's a slam dunk win for you.
Aug. 24, 2023 at 9:38 a.m.
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Seattle absolutely could afford Nylander and McCann isn't worth Nylander at all. It's a slam dunk win for you.


Then can you inform me how a team signs a deal to a guy who wants 9.5mil plus while also signing Berniers, Eberle, Wennberg, Shultz, and Tolvanen all to deals in which at Berniers and Tolvanen will get increases?

Even freeing up 4mil of McCann contract, and pooling all of their current salaries it leaves SEA with about 18mil in cap space. Even tossing in the 3.5mil SEA gets back from Drieger's contract expiring it gives them 21.5mil to play with. That said, when one guy wants half of that or more, you can't sign everyone. SEA is then put in a spot where they are giving players away, and with over half the team having some form of trade protection, it makes things harder and still have a functioning roster.

If cap wasn't a concern, then I'd take this deal and walk away as fast as possible before you changed your mind, but I can't see a situation where the math works out for SEA to sign Nylander and all of their players of interest and is under the cap.
Aug. 24, 2023 at 9:44 a.m.
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Then can you inform me how a team signs a deal to a guy who wants 9.5mil plus while also signing Berniers, Eberle, Wennberg, Shultz, and Tolvanen all to deals in which at Berniers and Tolvanen will get increases?

Even freeing up 4mil of McCann contract, and pooling all of their current salaries it leaves SEA with about 18mil in cap space. Even tossing in the 3.5mil SEA gets back from Drieger's contract expiring it gives them 21.5mil to play with. That said, when one guy wants half of that or more, you can't sign everyone. SEA is then put in a spot where they are giving players away, and with over half the team having some form of trade protection, it makes things harder and still have a functioning roster.

If cap wasn't a concern, then I'd take this deal and walk away as fast as possible before you changed your mind, but I can't see a situation where the math works out for SEA to sign Nylander and all of their players of interest and is under the cap.


If you're worried about Wenneberg, Schultz and Eberle (all past their prime) signing instead of a 40 goal scorer, there might be an issue...
Aug. 24, 2023 at 9:52 a.m.
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Then can you inform me how a team signs a deal to a guy who wants 9.5mil plus while also signing Berniers, Eberle, Wennberg, Shultz, and Tolvanen all to deals in which at Berniers and Tolvanen will get increases?

Even freeing up 4mil of McCann contract, and pooling all of their current salaries it leaves SEA with about 18mil in cap space. Even tossing in the 3.5mil SEA gets back from Drieger's contract expiring it gives them 21.5mil to play with. That said, when one guy wants half of that or more, you can't sign everyone. SEA is then put in a spot where they are giving players away, and with over half the team having some form of trade protection, it makes things harder and still have a functioning roster.

If cap wasn't a concern, then I'd take this deal and walk away as fast as possible before you changed your mind, but I can't see a situation where the math works out for SEA to sign Nylander and all of their players of interest and is under the cap.


None of them are a 3rd of the player Nylander is. Let any of them go to make it work. Because Nylander is that good of a player. He's not some secondary player. He immediately becomes your best player and makes your team better. Foolish to say otherwise
Aug. 24, 2023 at 10:01 a.m.
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None of them are a 3rd of the player Nylander is. Let any of them go to make it work. Because Nylander is that good of a player. He's not some secondary player. He immediately becomes your best player and makes your team better. Foolish to say otherwise


I'm not saying he wouldn't be because he absolutely would SEA's best player. But this isn't a matter of dropping one or two of them. This is SEA picks Nylander and Berniers and drops the rest of them. Maybe Shultz or Tolvanen can stick around, but that would be it. I don't see a world in which Ron Francis is willing to drop 4 players for 1 unless that guy is the difference in SEA winning the cup or not, and Nylander isn't that guy.
Aug. 24, 2023 at 10:07 a.m.
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I'm not saying he wouldn't be because he absolutely would SEA's best player. But this isn't a matter of dropping one or two of them. This is SEA picks Nylander and Berniers and drops the rest of them. Maybe Shultz or Tolvanen can stick around, but that would be it. I don't see a world in which Ron Francis is willing to drop 4 players for 1 unless that guy is the difference in SEA winning the cup or not, and Nylander isn't that guy.


You are forgetting that he replaces McCann so Nylander's contract is 4.5 more. Losing Eberle and one other depth guy makes it work. This sort of absolutism is what makes this site silly. Instead of making up weak excuses to say no to a trade that you absolutely win, why wouldn't you just find ways to make it work.
Aug. 24, 2023 at 10:28 a.m.
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Buffalo probably should accept because let’s face it, UPL will never be an NHL caliber goaltender, then again I wouldn’t say Jones is an NHL caliber goaltender anymore.

Seattle hangs up immediately, no reason to pay for a more expensive version of McCann when you still need more depth down the middle
Aug. 24, 2023 at 10:39 a.m.
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Buffalo probably should accept because let’s face it, UPL will never be an NHL caliber goaltender, then again I wouldn’t say Jones is an NHL caliber goaltender anymore.

Seattle hangs up immediately, no reason to pay for a more expensive version of McCann when you still need more depth down the middle


Also I haven’t mentioned that Seattle also desperately needs a goaltender
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Aug. 24, 2023 at 11:30 a.m.
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Can’t see the Sabres being interested in either player
Aug. 24, 2023 at 12:02 p.m.
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You are forgetting that he replaces McCann so Nylander's contract is 4.5 more. Losing Eberle and one other depth guy makes it work. This sort of absolutism is what makes this site silly. Instead of making up weak excuses to say no to a trade that you absolutely win, why wouldn't you just find ways to make it work.


"Why wouldn't Seattle trade a player who scored the SAME amount of goals who will make about 4,5 less?? They can lose up to 4 players to make the cap work! Not like they need a genuine starter goalie and better center depth or anything! They can make it work because I said so!"

Seattle does not do this lmao
Aug. 24, 2023 at 12:23 p.m.
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Buffalo probably should accept because let’s face it, UPL will never be an NHL caliber goaltender, then again I wouldn’t say Jones is an NHL caliber goaltender anymore.

Seattle hangs up immediately, no reason to pay for a more expensive version of McCann when you still need more depth down the middle


McCann is not a less expensive Nylander. He'll never do what he did last year again. No one matches a 20% shooting percentage unless you get fed easy goals by McDavid all the time. Nylander is the guy who makes decent players like McCann score 40 goals. McCann doesn't make others better.
Aug. 24, 2023 at 12:28 p.m.
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"Why wouldn't Seattle trade a player who scored the SAME amount of goals who will make about 4,5 less?? They can lose up to 4 players to make the cap work! Not like they need a genuine starter goalie and better center depth or anything! They can make it work because I said so!"

Seattle does not do this lmao


The "same number of goals" statement is dumb. Why? Because he scored on nearly 20% of this shots, way above his average of 12%. He'll never do it again. People that just don't get that are silly to talk to.
Aug. 24, 2023 at 1:00 p.m.
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The "same number of goals" statement is dumb. Why? Because he scored on nearly 20% of this shots, way above his average of 12%. He'll never do it again. People that just don't get that are silly to talk to.


What's silly is assuming they'll trade him, making 5m, for Nylander who's due for a massive pay raise. Bringing in a guy like that and making him the most paid guy on your team is not a culture thing they'd want. They've built a team where can roll out 4 lines and be effective contenders.

Nylander also doesn't pot 80pts once he leaves Matthews wing lol.
Aug. 24, 2023 at 1:42 p.m.
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What's silly is assuming they'll trade him, making 5m, for Nylander who's due for a massive pay raise. Bringing in a guy like that and making him the most paid guy on your team is not a culture thing they'd want. They've built a team where can roll out 4 lines and be effective contenders.

Nylander also doesn't pot 80pts once he leaves Matthews wing lol.


Yup no one wants anyone who has played for the Leafs.
Aug. 24, 2023 at 2:14 p.m.
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Yup no one wants anyone who has played for the Leafs.


Yet 99% of Toronto trades on this site all revolve around Nylander? You're just incapable of having genuine hockey debates because you resort to insults and whining that people don't want your players. Grow up.
Aug. 24, 2023 at 3:00 p.m.
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Yet 99% of Toronto trades on this site all revolve around Nylander? You're just incapable of having genuine hockey debates because you resort to insults and whining that people don't want your players. Grow up.


Lol what genuine conversation is possible when you have such a massive bias against TO. When a 40 goal scoring 85 point player is available, the return would be massive, but you and most on here act like Nylander is a 25 goal scoring 60 point winger who's 30.
Aug. 24, 2023 at 3:13 p.m.
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Lol what genuine conversation is possible when you have such a massive bias against TO. When a 40 goal scoring 85 point player is available, the return would be massive, but you and most on here act like Nylander is a 25 goal scoring 60 point winger who's 30.


Because a team doesn't want to move a player who scored the same amount of goals making 4m less?
Aug. 24, 2023 at 3:18 p.m.
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Because a team doesn't want to move a player who scored the same amount of goals making 4m less?


Once again, a wise person looks into how those goals were scored. When a guy goes from shooting below 12% to almost 20, it's completely unsustainable. This is exactly why Jeannot was so massively overrated. He's just a 4th line grinder who got crazy lucky for a season and will never again come close to matching what he did. McCann is the same as Mangiapane. A ridiculously lucky season makes him look good and people who don't want to know more beyond the face value of his stats go nuts. Never ever bet on unsustainable metrics remaining. I bet McCann doesn't score 30 this season. Meanwhile, of Willy continues to become more consistent, which has always been his big flaw, how good will he be?

And this is the "genuine" conversation you want to have. Double standards, bs arguments and then insults.

I guess you are right in the sense that someone here needs to grow up but I think maybe you should have a conversation with the mirror first and take your advice.b
 
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