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Created by: HockeyManiac95
Team: 2024-25 Colorado Avalanche
Initial Creation Date: Aug. 26, 2023
Published: Aug. 26, 2023
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We all gotta consider this possibility.
Free Agent Signings
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2$775,000
2$775,000
2$775,000
2$775,000
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1$950,000
2$850,000
3$775,000
3$775,000
2$775,000
3$775,000
2$1,000,000
3$775,000
2$775,000
2$775,000
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3$775,000
3$775,000
3$775,000
3$775,000
3$775,000
1$775,000
2$1,050,000
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22$86,500,000$84,171,250$0$57,500$2,328,750
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C
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$9,250,000$9,250,000
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$4,000,000$4,000,000
C, LW
NTC
UFA - 3
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$6,125,000$6,125,000
RW, LW
NMC
UFA - 6
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$2,500,000$2,500,000
LW
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UFA - 5
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$4,000,000$4,000,000
C, RW
UFA - 1
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$896,250$896,250 (Performance Bonus$57,500$58K)
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RFA - 1
$1,050,000$1,050,000
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UFA
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$1,000,000$1,000,000
LW, C
UFA
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$1,050,000$1,050,000
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RD
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$3,400,000$3,400,000
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UFA - 1
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$5,000,000$5,000,000
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M-NTC
UFA - 3
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$4,500,000$4,500,000
RD
M-NTC
UFA - 2
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$950,000$950,000
G
RFA - 2
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$850,000$850,000
RD
RFA - 1
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$1,100,000$1,100,000
RD
RFA - 1
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Aug. 26, 2023 at 3:27 p.m.
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If Hutton keeps progressing for Vegas I highly doubt he signs an UFA deal for that money. I'd rather give that spot to Malinski or Behrens.
Aug. 26, 2023 at 3:43 p.m.
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If Hutton keeps progressing for Vegas I highly doubt he signs an UFA deal for that money. I'd rather give that spot to Malinski or Behrens.


Good point
Aug. 26, 2023 at 4:24 p.m.
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Hope toews doesn't walk
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Aug. 26, 2023 at 5:11 p.m.
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Quoting: JeffW
Hope toews doesn't walk


It will be Sakic priority for sure. Not a easy one to replace.
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Aug. 26, 2023 at 6:16 p.m.
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It will be Sakic priority for sure. Not a easy one to replace.


It will be a priority in the sense that they'll make him an offer they can afford but if they allowed all of Gru, Kuemps, Bura and Naz (guys also deemed a "priority"), they'll let Toews walk, too. But they have other priorities, too; namely, having a better balanced team and re-signing Rants, Byram and Makar within the next four years. They may not be able to "replace" Toews 1-for-1 but they can still build a good enough D-corps around Makar, Byram and Girard. They'll still be a contender without Toews (if they make good signings) but if they sign Toews only to lose Byram and depth elsewhere, the window will close very soon.
Aug. 26, 2023 at 6:19 p.m.
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I'd say, unless he signs an extremely team-friendly deal AND Landy LTIRetires, Toews walking is no less than "probable".
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Aug. 26, 2023 at 7:09 p.m.
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I'd say, unless he signs an extremely team-friendly deal AND Landy LTIRetires, Toews walking is no less than "probable".


I really hope that doesn't happen to Landy
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Aug. 27, 2023 at 9:24 a.m.
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I really hope that doesn't happen to Landy


I think most fans want him back, for sure, if he can be anywhere near what he was before. Would suck to see him have to give it up or come back and be half the player he was before (which I don't think he could stand, either).
Aug. 27, 2023 at 10:27 a.m.
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I think most fans want him back, for sure, if he can be anywhere near what he was before. Would suck to see him have to give it up or come back and be half the player he was before (which I don't think he could stand, either).


If he was playing less than 15 minutes a night and not contributing, he'd pull the plug himself and retire. 100 percent. Heck, he probably wouldn't even try to come back if that were the case. I think the last year he played was brutal enough on him.
Aug. 27, 2023 at 10:45 a.m.
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Hope toews doesn't walk


I doubt he even leaves Colorado
Aug. 27, 2023 at 10:46 a.m.
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I doubt he even leaves Colorado


If we could keep him I would LOVE that. But I don't think it makes sense at anywhere over 8 mill per.
Aug. 27, 2023 at 1:33 p.m.
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I doubt he even leaves Colorado


What makes you doubt it?
Aug. 27, 2023 at 5:39 p.m.
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If he was playing less than 15 minutes a night and not contributing, he'd pull the plug himself and retire. 100 percent. Heck, he probably wouldn't even try to come back if that were the case. I think the last year he played was brutal enough on him.


What I want to know is, if he's medically cleared but can't get to a level that is acceptable to him, can he still LTIRetire or does he have to retire, retire? Because a straight-up retirement will cost him a LOT of money. I'm not sure how it works but I can't see him straight-up retiring since it would cost him so much money.
Aug. 27, 2023 at 5:40 p.m.
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I doubt he even leaves Colorado


It's pretty likely he leaves. He's a great player, for sure, but the Avs won't be able to meet his contract demands and still ice a competitive team. They've let important players walk before, this case is no different.
Aug. 27, 2023 at 11:16 p.m.
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It will be a priority in the sense that they'll make him an offer they can afford but if they allowed all of Gru, Kuemps, Bura and Naz (guys also deemed a "priority"), they'll let Toews walk, too. But they have other priorities, too; namely, having a better balanced team and re-signing Rants, Byram and Makar within the next four years. They may not be able to "replace" Toews 1-for-1 but they can still build a good enough D-corps around Makar, Byram and Girard. They'll still be a contender without Toews (if they make good signings) but if they sign Toews only to lose Byram and depth elsewhere, the window will close very soon.


This is true, but:

2 of these are goalies, and the Avs have deprioritized that position under Sakic
Burky was streaky, slid all the way down the lineup to a scratch during the cup run.
Naz is the only one that was actually tough i think. we're still dealing with the consequences of Nuke > Naz, and im not sure we'll know how that worked out for a few years.

Toews is closer to Naz than he is to the others, or really any other UFA we've let walk. He's not only an elite defenseman, he's elite WITH your transcendent star in makar. Chemistry like theirs is tough to come by. AND, toews is top 5 in EV points alongside makar. He's a star in his own right. he'll be expensive, but this one will hurt more than any other UFA walking we've had thus far.
Aug. 28, 2023 at 8:32 a.m.
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This is true, but:

2 of these are goalies, and the Avs have deprioritized that position under Sakic
Burky was streaky, slid all the way down the lineup to a scratch during the cup run.
Naz is the only one that was actually tough i think. we're still dealing with the consequences of Nuke > Naz, and im not sure we'll know how that worked out for a few years.

Toews is closer to Naz than he is to the others, or really any other UFA we've let walk. He's not only an elite defenseman, he's elite WITH your transcendent star in makar. Chemistry like theirs is tough to come by. AND, toews is top 5 in EV points alongside makar. He's a star in his own right. he'll be expensive, but this one will hurt more than any other UFA walking we've had thus far.


They tried to keep both Gru and Kuemps, they just weren't going to pay what they were asking. They prioritized Nuke over Naz because of their age and it was the right call. Related, I think that's why they will choose Byram over Toews in the long-term: age. It has been proven time and again that signing players who are around 30 to long-term deals is a really bad idea. Some will argue that Toews - who will be halfway to 31 when his new deal kicks in - will "age well" or whatever but that's speculative, not a matter of fact. Others will say it doesn't matter, that the window is only open for another few years anyhow so by the time he really starts declining, the window will be closed so, why not just re-sign him?

Here's my argument:

Makar is a player that can make almost any partner look elite; he's definitely one of those guys that makes those playing with him better and by a lot. What this means is that Toews, while very good on his own, isn't necessary to have just to play with Cale; they don't need to pay anyone $50+M just so Cale can have a partner since he can do just as well with someone that costs half as much plus he and Byram are elite level players so putting them on the PP together will work well. If they re-sign Toews, that will cost them depth up front, which they badly need, and perhaps Byram. They can keep the window open longer and actually have a better shot at winning more Cups without Toews than they can with him. He's a very good player but, IMO, he isn't a linchpin.

It's never fun or desirable to lose a good player but there are only so many dollars to go around and it's been the case that even a great core like the Avs' needs a good supporting cast. Right now, they're very thin on support because they're over-invested invested in their core; they've got to find a way to re-balance the team so that they can be contenders again for the remainder of the window.
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Aug. 28, 2023 at 12:10 p.m.
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They tried to keep both Gru and Kuemps, they just weren't going to pay what they were asking. They prioritized Nuke over Naz because of their age and it was the right call. Related, I think that's why they will choose Byram over Toews in the long-term: age. It has been proven time and again that signing players who are around 30 to long-term deals is a really bad idea. Some will argue that Toews - who will be halfway to 31 when his new deal kicks in - will "age well" or whatever but that's speculative, not a matter of fact. Others will say it doesn't matter, that the window is only open for another few years anyhow so by the time he really starts declining, the window will be closed so, why not just re-sign him?

Here's my argument:

Makar is a player that can make almost any partner look elite; he's definitely one of those guys that makes those playing with him better and by a lot. What this means is that Toews, while very good on his own, isn't necessary to have just to play with Cale; they don't need to pay anyone $50+M just so Cale can have a partner since he can do just as well with someone that costs half as much plus he and Byram are elite level players so putting them on the PP together will work well. If they re-sign Toews, that will cost them depth up front, which they badly need, and perhaps Byram. They can keep the window open longer and actually have a better shot at winning more Cups without Toews than they can with him. He's a very good player but, IMO, he isn't a linchpin.

It's never fun or desirable to lose a good player but there are only so many dollars to go around and it's been the case that even a great core like the Avs' needs a good supporting cast. Right now, they're very thin on support because they're over-invested invested in their core; they've got to find a way to re-balance the team so that they can be contenders again for the remainder of the window.


I'm not disagreeing with you at all really. The reasons we've parted with players are the same - we deprioritize goalies by paying them less. We chose nuke over naz for age, and we'll see how that works, a team without a 2C is a problem, obviously.

but, Toews is a star in his own right. Byram will look better with Makar than he'll look with Manson or Girard, sure, but Toews is a top 10 defenseman in the league with or without makar and stats just prove that as fact. It'll suck to lose him, Byram isn't in the same stratosphere yet.
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Aug. 28, 2023 at 12:30 p.m.
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I'm not disagreeing with you at all really. The reasons we've parted with players are the same - we deprioritize goalies by paying them less. We chose nuke over naz for age, and we'll see how that works, a team without a 2C is a problem, obviously.

but, Toews is a star in his own right. Byram will look better with Makar than he'll look with Manson or Girard, sure, but Toews is a top 10 defenseman in the league with or without makar and stats just prove that as fact. It'll suck to lose him, Byram isn't in the same stratosphere yet.


Byram is going to get there soon and has shown flashes - you don't play the most 5v5 minutes in a SCF without being pretty damn good. He was on a .49 PPG pace without any PP1 time, without playing with Makar and without as much ice time as Toews. That, to me, makes Toews expendable even if it does hurt (I happen to think they should have traded him before the draft for younger, cheaper players to improve their depth but the brass was probably never considering that). The upcoming UFA crop will have some good D they could lure to Denver but they have to balance the whole team better and have more depth. We hear about injuries this and injuries that but injuries are a fact of life in pro sports; you have to have capable players to plug in when injuries happen and Bednar can't keep running his top 6 into the ground; he's got to have players he trusts all the way up and down the lineup if they're going to win more Cups. Re-signing Toews to the kind of money he wants (and has earned) will make that nearly impossible. It sucks to lose him but they have to deal with reality.
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Aug. 28, 2023 at 12:53 p.m.
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Byram is going to get there soon and has shown flashes - you don't play the most 5v5 minutes in a SCF without being pretty damn good. He was on a .49 PPG pace without any PP1 time, without playing with Makar and without as much ice time as Toews. That, to me, makes Toews expendable even if it does hurt (I happen to think they should have traded him before the draft for younger, cheaper players to improve their depth but the brass was probably never considering that). The upcoming UFA crop will have some good D they could lure to Denver but they have to balance the whole team better and have more depth. We hear about injuries this and injuries that but injuries are a fact of life in pro sports; you have to have capable players to plug in when injuries happen and Bednar can't keep running his top 6 into the ground; he's got to have players he trusts all the way up and down the lineup if they're going to win more Cups. Re-signing Toews to the kind of money he wants (and has earned) will make that nearly impossible. It sucks to lose him but they have to deal with reality.


yeah yeah, i agree overall. Byram honestly just needs to make more improvements to his defensive game to begin to match Toews - points-wise, offense-wise, Byram is a talent and i'd guess equally as skilled as Toews. Would love to see bo captain the PP2.

Toews just has an elite ability to separate the puck from an opponent. No one like him in the NHL.
Aug. 28, 2023 at 1:06 p.m.
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@swissmontana and @NMAvsFan u 2 r just going at it huh?
Aug. 28, 2023 at 3:33 p.m.
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swissmontana and NMAvsFan u 2 r just going at it huh?


yeah sorry to co-opt. we agree i think. im just sad about it.
Aug. 28, 2023 at 5:18 p.m.
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yeah sorry to co-opt. we agree i think. im just sad about it.


Naw u cool. Just poking fun. I'd be sad too if he walks. Oh well
 
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