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10 from each category... In no particular order, just 10 names in my opinion
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This, Underrated
$800,000$800,000
This, Fairly Rated
$800,000$800,000
This, Overrated
$800,000$800,000
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$7,500,000$7,500,000
LD
NMC
UFA - 7
Logo of the Colorado Avalanche
$12,600,000$12,600,000
C
NMC
UFA - 8
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$10,903,000$10,903,000
RW
NMC
UFA - 2
Logo of the Nashville Predators
$4,500,000$4,500,000
C
UFA - 4
Logo of the Edmonton Oilers
$12,500,000$12,500,000
C
NMC
UFA - 3
Logo of the Florida Panthers
$9,500,000$9,500,000
RW
NMC
UFA - 7
Logo of the Vancouver Canucks
$7,850,000$7,850,000
LD
UFA - 4
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$11,640,250$11,640,250
C
NMC
UFA - 1
Logo of the Ottawa Senators
$8,205,714$8,205,714
LW
UFA - 5
Logo of the Colorado Avalanche
$3,850,000$3,850,000
LD/RD
RFA - 2
Logo of the Dallas Stars
$7,750,000$7,750,000
LW, RW
RFA - 3
Logo of the Edmonton Oilers
$8,500,000$8,500,000
C, LW
M-NTC, NMC
UFA - 2
Logo of the Anaheim Ducks
$950,000$950,000 (Performance Bonus$3,250,000$3M)
C
RFA - 3
Logo of the Tampa Bay Lightning
$9,500,000$9,500,000
C, RW
NMC
UFA - 7
Logo of the Edmonton Oilers
$9,250,000$9,250,000
LD
NMC
UFA - 7
Logo of the Florida Panthers
$10,000,000$10,000,000
C
NMC
UFA - 7
Logo of the Seattle Kraken
$5,000,000$5,000,000
C, LW
M-NTC
UFA - 4
Logo of the Winnipeg Jets
$6,250,000$6,250,000
LD
NMC
UFA - 5
Logo of the Colorado Avalanche
$9,250,000$9,250,000
RW, C
M-NTC
UFA - 2
Logo of the Columbus Blue Jackets
$950,000$950,000 (Performance Bonus$3,200,000$3M)
C
RFA - 3
Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
$5,500,000$5,500,000
RW, LW
M-NTC
UFA - 4
Logo of the Carolina Hurricanes
$7,750,000$7,750,000
LW, RW
UFA - 6
Logo of the Chicago Blackhawks
$950,000$950,000 (Performance Bonus$3,500,000$4M)
C
RFA - 3
Logo of the Ottawa Senators
$2,500,000$2,500,000
RW
NTC
UFA - 1
Logo of the Arizona Coyotes
$7,150,000$7,150,000
LW, RW
UFA - 5
Logo of the Vancouver Canucks
$7,350,000$7,350,000
C, LW
UFA - 1
Logo of the Ottawa Senators
$7,950,000$7,950,000
C
UFA - 7
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Sep. 1, 2023 at 4:52 p.m.
#26
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Quoting: Leafsfan98
They very much are... Draisaitl's biggest asset is utilizing McDavid and the PP... That's not the quality of a top 5 player IMO... And as for Tkachuk, this is the 1rst playoffs where he's been over a PPG and people are acting like he's been doing that for years: https://forums.hfboards.com/threads/why-is-matthew-tkachuk-so-bad-at-playoff-time.2883990/ https://www.bladeofsteel.com/Darryl-Sutter-rips-Matthew-Tkachuk-and-his-playoff-failures-with-savage-comment-158731
Compared to: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGtVwNah0nA

Marner: 0.2 GPG in the playoffs and is given way too much credit on other player's success


You're taking playoffs into account way too seriously when evaluating Marner. He's one of the best two-way wings in the league who puts up 90ish points with ease each season. Draisaitl being called overrated because he's McDavids "sidekick" is such a bad take, they don't even play 5 on 5 on the same line all that often. And ah yes, Matthew Tkachuk the guy who has back-to-back 100-point seasons, just finished 3rd in Hart voting and was the best player on a team in the finals that walked through the 2nd and 3rd rounds after beating Boston. Not to mention the fact that he had like 4 overtime GWGs. Calling Matty Tkachuk overrated is just salty
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Sep. 1, 2023 at 4:53 p.m.
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Quoting: sens65
You just hate the Sens lol.


No, I hate the Habs and Bruins, and to a certain extend Winnipeg but I usually give them a pass bc of their current situation... The Sens are just there
Sep. 1, 2023 at 4:53 p.m.
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Agree with mostly everything I think kuzmenko In my opinion is more underrated and I think petey in my opinion is a top 5 centre I personally rank him 4


If any Canuck should be considered underrated it should be Kuzmenko, i would also argue JT Miller has gotten underrated but I'll stick to the Kuzmeister here
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Sep. 1, 2023 at 4:54 p.m.
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Quoting: Leafsfan98
You've seen how many people call Nurse underrated right? He's not very good offensively and he's minimal at best defensively


Offensively he's like 3rd in 5V5 point in the last 3 years and doesn't play power play well play against the other teams top lines for most of the game? defensively I would argue better or at par then rielly well at the same time being phyisical.
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Sep. 1, 2023 at 4:54 p.m.
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Sorry, how was his defence these playoffs? It's great to score x per game, but if you are giving up x per game as well, doesn't make you effective


Well...it looks like he was positive on 5v5 goal-differential, 56% CF, 55% xGF, so it appears to be not as big of an issue as you're making it out to be?
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Sep. 1, 2023 at 4:55 p.m.
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Quoting: Leafsfan98
You've seen how many people call Nurse underrated right? He's not very good offensively and he's minimal at best defensively


Theres a big difference between being overPAID and overRATED, and imo Nurse falls into the overpaid category
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Sep. 1, 2023 at 4:58 p.m.
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Quoting: canucksfan43
You're taking playoffs into account way too seriously when evaluating Marner. He's one of the best two-way wings in the league who puts up 90ish points with ease each season. Draisaitl being called overrated because he's McDavids "sidekick" is such a bad take, they don't even play 5 on 5 on the same line all that often. And ah yes, Matthew Tkachuk the guy who has back-to-back 100-point seasons, just finished 3rd in Hart voting and was the best player on a team in the finals that walked through the 2nd and 3rd rounds after beating Boston. Not to mention the fact that he had like 4 overtime GWGs. Calling Matty Tkachuk overrated is just salty


I disagree on the Marner take... You get to play with the best goal scorer in the NHL who is also one of the best complete players in the NHL and yet hasn't hit 100 points in the RS and is averaging 0.2 GPG in the playoffs... How's that putting pressure off of a guy like Matthews or JT?

Draisaitl is overrated bc of how much he's dependent on McDavid for half to 2/3 of his production, sort of like Marner

My question is: How is Tkachuk's Florida's best player when you have Bob and Barkov... And BTW, Barkov's the guy running the show, just like before and he actually got help from Bob, allowing Florida to get to the SCF until Bob and Barkov ran out of gas to finish it
Sep. 1, 2023 at 4:59 p.m.
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Quoting: AlTintin1122
Debrincat-Pinto-Batherson was a brutal brutal 2 way line with 0 chemistry . There was a reason all 3 players were like -30.

The play of the 2nd line this year will be much improved


I doubt it with the much improved Atlantic and how poorly OTT finished the year last year but ok
Sep. 1, 2023 at 5:01 p.m.
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I disagree on the Marner take... You get to play with the best goal scorer in the NHL who is also one of the best complete players in the NHL and yet hasn't hit 100 points in the RS and is averaging 0.2 GPG in the playoffs... How's that putting pressure off of a guy like Matthews or JT?

Draisaitl is overrated bc of how much he's dependent on McDavid for half to 2/3 of his production, sort of like Marner

My question is: How is Tkachuk's Florida's best player when you have Bob and Barkov... And BTW, Barkov's the guy running the show, just like before and he actually got help from Bob, allowing Florida to get to the SCF until Bob and Barkov ran out of gas to finish it


I see this is a lost cause with you cause ur stuck on playoffs for Marner and think Draisaitl is just a sidekick and reliant on McDavid which is just so far from the truth. If u asked 100 people who the top 3 players in the NHL were at least 90% of them would include draisatl in there. But just stay in your land of delusion on that one.

AS for your Tkachuk argument. Bobrovsky has been dogwater apart from this playoffs for Florida but that makes him better than Tkahcuk in your eyes???? also Barkov may wear the "c" but its Tkachuks team now. Plus the team basically folded over and got picked apart after Tkachuk injury in the SCF
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Sep. 1, 2023 at 5:01 p.m.
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You've seen how many people call Nurse underrated right? He's not very good offensively and he's minimal at best defensively

Not very good offensively yet he had the same amount of points as Quin Hughes at even strength I’m not saying nurse is as good as Hughes offensively but he definitely isn’t bad offensively saying otherwise makes u sound so stupid
Sep. 1, 2023 at 5:02 p.m.
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Quoting: Robby35
Offensively he's like 3rd in 5V5 point in the last 3 years and doesn't play power play well play against the other teams top lines for most of the game? defensively I would argue better or at par then rielly well at the same time being phyisical.


??? He's like 12th... And Rielly's very physical, just ask Brayden Point
Sep. 1, 2023 at 5:05 p.m.
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I doubt it with the much improved Atlantic and how poorly OTT finished the year last year but ok


Giroux and Norris are night and day improvement on the defensive side of the puck. Norris is our best defensive centre by a mile. And Pinto was very outmatched on the 2nd line as a rookie. His numbers will really improve back at 3C
Sep. 1, 2023 at 5:06 p.m.
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Quoting: Leafsfan98
??? He's like 12th... And Rielly's very physical, just ask Brayden Point


12th is pretty good offensively will playing a shutdown role
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Sep. 1, 2023 at 5:06 p.m.
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Quoting: canucksfan43
I see this is a lost cause with you cause ur stuck on playoffs for Marner and think Draisaitl is just a sidekick and reliant on McDavid which is just so far from the truth. If u asked 100 people who the top 3 players in the NHL were at least 90% of them would include draisatl in there. But just stay in your land of delusion on that one.

AS for your Tkachuk argument. Bobrovsky has been dogwater apart from this playoffs for Florida but that makes him better than Tkahcuk in your eyes???? also Barkov may wear the "c" but its Tkachuks team now


Marner's play is amplified in the playoffs, so pointing it out helps show why I think he's overrated and as for Draisaitl... The PP is the place where he excels... Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think Draisaitl's good at defence... or where his EV points this year were under 60% of his total points

🤦‍♂️As for Tkachuk, you were crediting him with dragging the Panthers to the finals which is simply not true... Bob was fantastic and was carrying them to the finals... In my eyes, Flroida's Barkov's team and it will continue to be like that... He's the leader and IMO, he's nearly the perfect 1C for any team and for sure a top 7 centre. Both Tkachuk and huberdeau benefitted from his play
Sep. 1, 2023 at 5:07 p.m.
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Quoting: AlTintin1122
Giroux and Norris are night and day improvement on the defensive side of the puck. Norris is our best defensive centre by a mile. And Pinto was very outmatched on the 2nd line as a rookie. His numbers will really improve back at 3C


How old's Giroux? Age is a factor as he is slowing down and just bc Norris is your best defensive centre, doesn't make him a good one
Sep. 1, 2023 at 5:08 p.m.
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How old's Giroux? Age is a factor as he is slowing down and just bc Norris is your best defensive centre, doesn't make him a good one


Norris is a very good 2C. You’re blind if you don’t see it. He might be currently overpaid but his contract will be a steal in 2-3 years
Sep. 1, 2023 at 5:10 p.m.
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Quoting: Robby35
12th is pretty good offensively will playing a shutdown role


If Nurse is your shutdown guy, you should be scared, his metrics are awful defensively from what I can see and his GSVA is 1.7
Sep. 1, 2023 at 5:11 p.m.
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Quoting: AlTintin1122
Norris is a very good 2C. You’re blind if you don’t see it. He might be currently overpaid but his contract will be a steal in 2-3 years


I disagree but I'll guess we see... As much as I disagree with you on the Sens and Leafs, you make me remember why it's so much easier talking with Sens fans rather than Oiler fans
Sep. 1, 2023 at 5:12 p.m.
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Marner's play is amplified in the playoffs, so pointing it out helps show why I think he's overrated and as for Draisaitl... The PP is the place where he excels... Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think Draisaitl's good at defence... or where his EV points this year were under 60% of his total points

🤦‍♂️As for Tkachuk, you were crediting him with dragging the Panthers to the finals which is simply not true... Bob was fantastic and was carrying them to the finals... In my eyes, Flroida's Barkov's team and it will continue to be like that... He's the leader and IMO, he's nearly the perfect 1C for any team and for sure a top 7 centre. Both Tkachuk and huberdeau benefitted from his play


"Relied on his play" Tkachuk played with Verhaeghe and Bennett more than Barkov btw
Sep. 1, 2023 at 5:13 p.m.
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I disagree but I'll guess we see... As much as I disagree with you on the Sens and Leafs, you make me remember why it's so much easier talking with Sens fans rather than Oiler fans


I always thought Norris was gonna get bridged at 2-3 years at 4.5 ish per like Cirelli. But they agreed on the Suzuki contract with a small bump higher. Norris definitely gives the Sens stability and puts back everyone to where they’re supposed to.
Sep. 1, 2023 at 5:15 p.m.
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Quoting: drmantalban
Well...it looks like he was positive on 5v5 goal-differential, 56% CF, 55% xGF, so it appears to be not as big of an issue as you're making it out to be?


It sort of is... And you using Corsi and xG are not a very good metric to account for 5v5 production... A better comp is his EV production/his actual production like him only having 20 out of 52 goals on EV
Sep. 1, 2023 at 5:18 p.m.
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Quoting: canucksfan43
"Relied on his play" Tkachuk played with Verhaeghe and Bennett more than Barkov btw



On the 2nd line
Sep. 1, 2023 at 5:19 p.m.
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Your overrated list is prettt garbage. Neither of the Tkachuks are overrated, Nobody overrated Norris, Drai is not talked about enough due to him being in mcdavids shadow, and nurse is overpaid not overrated two very different things.
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Sep. 1, 2023 at 5:19 p.m.
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Quoting: AlTintin1122
I always thought Norris was gonna get bridged at 2-3 years at 4.5 ish per like Cirelli. But they agreed on the Suzuki contract with a small bump higher. Norris definitely gives the Sens stability and puts back everyone to where they’re supposed to.


Again, I guess we'll see but I have low confidence bc Norris can't stay healthy
Sep. 1, 2023 at 5:20 p.m.
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Quoting: RyanMclovin
Your overrated list is prettt garbage. Neither of the Tkachuks are overrated, Nobody overrated Norris, Drai is not talked about enough due to him being in mcdavids shadow, and nurse is overpaid not overrated two very different things.


The Oilers that are overrated are put where they should be? What a concept!
 
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