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Perry and Zadorov at trade deadline

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Team: 2023-24 Toronto Maple Leafs
Initial Creation Date: Sep. 1, 2023
Published: Sep. 2, 2023
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  1. Perry, Corey ($2,000,000 retained)
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  1. Timmins, Conor
  2. 2024 3rd round pick (NYI)
  3. 2024 5th round pick (TOR)
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  1. 2025 3rd round pick (COL)
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Sep. 2, 2023 at 6:33 p.m.
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Those are 2 horrible overpays. While I like Zadarov as an addition, it's not going to cost this much. He is a 3rd pair guy who is not great defensively but hits and is big. And Perry at 2 million is terrible still. He's a 4th liner who has some value but not at 2 million
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Sep. 2, 2023 at 7:53 p.m.
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Perry has negative value at 2M. Future considerations is worth more
Sep. 2, 2023 at 7:57 p.m.
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I am NOT a leafs fan but oh my goodness that's just not how the trade deadline works. Perry will likely be available for MAYBE a 3rd round pick, more likely a 5th or 6th. Take away Klingberg and that is a more reasonable trade for Zadorov. And then you are left with the realization that the Leafs will likely have VERY little room to make significant deals at this year's deadline.

The Jarnkrok trade is the only one that makes sense here but I'd argue you can't afford to lose him this season.
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Sep. 2, 2023 at 9:12 p.m.
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Quoting: RipNasty
Those are 2 horrible overpays. While I like Zadarov as an addition, it's not going to cost this much. He is a 3rd pair guy who is not great defensively but hits and is big. And Perry at 2 million is terrible still. He's a 4th liner who has some value but not at 2 million


It will cost more than a long shot prospect, Klingy, and a 3rd to pry Zadorov out of Calgary.
Sep. 2, 2023 at 9:19 p.m.
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Why would Toronto trade away Klingberg ar the deadline?
Sep. 2, 2023 at 9:26 p.m.
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The Perry deal makes no sense for either side but particularly not for the Hawks. We just signed Klingberg, and Zadorov is worth way less than Klingberg. Jarnkrok is worth more.
Sep. 2, 2023 at 9:48 p.m.
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It will cost more than a long shot prospect, Klingy, and a 3rd to pry Zadorov out of Calgary.


I wouldn't want to pay more than a 2nd for him retained. He's got some elements I want for the playoffs but he's not good defensively and that's not a good thing
Sep. 2, 2023 at 10:02 p.m.
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I wouldn't want to pay more than a 2nd for him retained. He's got some elements I want for the playoffs but he's not good defensively and that's not a good thing


He's fine defensively as a 2nd/3rd pairing guy. Toronto paid a hefty price for Mccabe, cannot imagine CGY settles for much less.
Sep. 2, 2023 at 11:41 p.m.
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Hawks say thank you very much. May we also interest you in a nick foligno? Yes he'll probably get injured immediately but he'd only cost a first.
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Sep. 2, 2023 at 11:55 p.m.
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Quoting: Ennis
He's fine defensively as a 2nd/3rd pairing guy. Toronto paid a hefty price for Mccabe, cannot imagine CGY settles for much less.


Zadorov got mainly offensive zone starts for Calgary and still gave up a high percentage of high danger goals against. He's really not great at defending
Sep. 3, 2023 at 1:24 a.m.
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Quoting: RipNasty
Zadorov got mainly offensive zone starts for Calgary and still gave up a high percentage of high danger goals against. He's really not great at defending


I'm not making the trade for Zadorov that is offered here, but I really have no clue where you get this stuff. Zadorov is good defensively, that has always been his strength. Care to elaborate, or provide a source? Genuinely curious.
Sep. 3, 2023 at 2:26 a.m.
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He's fine defensively as a 2nd/3rd pairing guy. Toronto paid a hefty price for Mccabe, cannot imagine CGY settles for much less.


Well Calgary would have no interest in Klingberg and Klingberg is well known for stepping up his game in the playoffs
Sep. 3, 2023 at 7:40 a.m.
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Quoting: Affectionate_Side_64
I'm not making the trade for Zadorov that is offered here, but I really have no clue where you get this stuff. Zadorov is good defensively, that has always been his strength. Care to elaborate, or provide a source? Genuinely curious.


ask some.avs fans how he plays or look up his stats. You get all your opinions from reputations. Find me some evidence
Sep. 3, 2023 at 7:47 a.m.
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Quoting: RipNasty
ask some.avs fans how he plays or look up his stats. You get all your opinions from reputations. Find me some evidence


Yeah I live in Calgary so that's why I asked. Anyway I don't want to fight with you anymore, sorry if things got personal, it's just nice when people provide their feedback with respect. I'll work on that myself.

All the best.
Sep. 3, 2023 at 7:48 a.m.
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Yeah I live in Calgary so that's why I asked. Anyway I don't want to fight with you anymore, sorry if things got personal, it's just nice when people provide their feedback with respect. I'll work on that myself.

All the best.


Kind words. I am a man of science I don't accept anything without quantifiable evidence. Beyond just points and what the mob on here thinks.
Sep. 3, 2023 at 7:56 a.m.
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Kind words. I am a man of science I don't accept anything without quantifiable evidence. Beyond just points and what the mob on here thinks.


I'm trying here buddy, let's just go our separate ways in peace.
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Sep. 3, 2023 at 8:02 a.m.
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Yeah I live in Calgary so that's why I asked. Anyway I don't want to fight with you anymore, sorry if things got personal, it's just nice when people provide their feedback with respect. I'll work on that myself.

All the best.


I don't think our talk ever turned into personal attacks or got aggressive. Don't worry
Sep. 3, 2023 at 9:43 a.m.
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I don't think our talk ever turned into personal attacks or got aggressive. Don't worry


Nope my bad, replied to the wrong person. RIPNasty and I have an ongoing feud, you're the very best and actually reasonable to bounce ideas off of.
Sep. 3, 2023 at 9:50 a.m.
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Nope my bad, replied to the wrong person. RIPNasty and I have an ongoing feud, you're the very best and actually reasonable to bounce ideas off of.


I blocked him a long time ago, he's a pretentious child.
Sep. 3, 2023 at 9:56 a.m.
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I blocked him a long time ago, he's a pretentious child.


I should do the same but I'm a sucker for punishment I guess
Sep. 3, 2023 at 10:54 a.m.
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Zadorov got mainly offensive zone starts for Calgary and still gave up a high percentage of high danger goals against. He's really not great at defending


it was 52/47. most shifts start on the fly anyway. his 5v5 defensive impact was pretty good for his role.
Sep. 3, 2023 at 3:57 p.m.
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Just a Pat Maroon away from being Team Knucklehead!
Sep. 3, 2023 at 4:19 p.m.
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Edited Sep. 3, 2023 at 4:36 p.m.
Quoting: Affectionate_Side_64
I'm not making the trade for Zadorov that is offered here, but I really have no clue where you get this stuff. Zadorov is good defensively, that has always been his strength. Care to elaborate, or provide a source? Genuinely curious.


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Quoting: RipNasty
Zadorov got mainly offensive zone starts for Calgary and still gave up a high percentage of high danger goals against. He's really not great at defending


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Kind words. I am a man of science I don't accept anything without quantifiable evidence. Beyond just points and what the mob on here thinks.


Alright man of science here goes. Z was actually 6th in offensive zone starts as a percentage. He had 9.1% starts in the O-zone, 11% N-zone, 11.3% D-zone, and 68.6% on the fly. From the regulars, only Tanev had less offensive zone starts. If you look at On-Ice Expected Goals Against/60 5 on 5 Zadorov is actually 3rd on the team(2.42). He is behind Tanev(2.01) and Weegar(2.13), and ahead of Both Andersson(2.52) and Hanifin(2.52). I agree regarding the high danger shots against, they were definitely higher with Z on the ice, but I attribute some of it to Zadorov's fit in Sutter's system.

Z has some warts at defending, but he was quite good at denying entry, rubbing a player off the puck, or poke checking an opponent in transition. Because of his physical play opponents also dump the puck in his corner less often. When he was playing with Stone that was exploited, but worked great when he was paired with Weegar, or Gudbranson last year. Z isn't great at defending the cycle, but I think that the Flames system made him look worse at that than he really is. My biggest issue with him was him defending 2 on 1s, which was terrible IMO, and I don't love the way he ties up sticks of stronger players infront of the net.
Sep. 3, 2023 at 4:27 p.m.
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Z was actually 6th in offensive zone starts as a percentage. He had 9.1% starts in the O-zone, 11% N-zone, 11.3% D-zone, and 68.6% on the fly. From the regulars, only Tanev had less offensive zone starts.

Z has some warts at defending, but he was quite good at denying entry, rubbing a player off the puck, or poke checking an opponent in transition. Because of his physical play opponents also dump the puck in his corner less often. When he was playing with Stone that was exploited, but worked great when he was paired with Weegar, or Gudbranson last year. Z isn't great at defending the cycle, but I think that the Flames system made him look worse at that than he really is. My biggest issue with him was him defending 2 on 1s, which was terrible IMO, and I don't love the way he ties up sticks of stronger players infront of the net.


Where are you pulling your numbers from.

https://www.naturalstattrick.com/playerteams.php?fromseason=20222023&thruseason=20222023&stype=2&sit=5v5&score=all&stdoi=oi&rate=n&team=CGY&pos=S&loc=B&toi=0&gpfilt=none&fd=&td=&tgp=410&lines=single&draftteam=ALL

If you count any defenceman who didn't play less than a thousand minutes, he in fact had the highest offensive zone starts percentage on the team. I don't know some of the depth guys who played last season so saying he was 6th may include some other guys beyond Stone who had more %offensize zone starts as well as Stetcher. So I guess if 4 other guys played a game and had primarily zone starts that could mean Zadorov was number 6 on the team. But if you are including those guys you must know you have absolutely no credibility now.
Sep. 3, 2023 at 4:39 p.m.
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Quoting: RipNasty
Where are you pulling your numbers from.

https://www.naturalstattrick.com/playerteams.php?fromseason=20222023&thruseason=20222023&stype=2&sit=5v5&score=all&stdoi=oi&rate=n&team=CGY&pos=S&loc=B&toi=0&gpfilt=none&fd=&td=&tgp=410&lines=single&draftteam=ALL

If you count any defenceman who didn't play less than a thousand minutes, he in fact had the highest offensive zone starts percentage on the team. I don't know some of the depth guys who played last season so saying he was 6th may include some other guys beyond Stone who had more %offensize zone starts as well as Stetcher. So I guess if 4 other guys played a game and had primarily zone starts that could mean Zadorov was number 6 on the team. But if you are including those guys you must know you have absolutely no credibility now.


https://moneypuck.com/stats.htm

I go to the Players tab> Select Calgary Flames. The zone start numbers were in all situations, the expected goals against 5 on 5.

EDIT: I just had a look and saw you included only 5 on 5 numbers for the zone starts. It's kind of strange to think of a guy being sheltered defensively, and excluding all the time he spent on the first PK.

As for zone starts, it is a largely meaningless stat because every player has about 65-70% of his starts on the fly. I just found it funny you misused it, being such a stats guy. Even if we look only at 5 on 5 numbers like you did, then Z still has less/the same amount of starts in the O-zone as Hanifin/Andersson/Weegar. He has significantly less D zone starts, but that was because he was the 5th D playing on the 3rd pairing with Stone/Gilbert/Mackey/Stetcher. Whenever Tanev/Andersson was missing Zadorov had regular starts in both zones.
 
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