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Team: 2023-24 Boston Bruins
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I'm missing the balancing picks and prospects for the trade.

The Jets make this trade knowing Hellebyuck will be traded to a different team.

B's bring back Halak or find a waiver wire goalie. I'm sure there will be about half a dozen backup goalies made available after Exhibition games are over.
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Sep. 9, 2023 at 7:04 p.m.
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Boston has zero interest in this
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Sep. 9, 2023 at 7:05 p.m.
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Easy no for Winnipeg. A rental winger and goalie don't come near the value of a 1C.
Sep. 9, 2023 at 7:06 p.m.
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Quoting: Gofnut999
Boston has zero interest in this


I could have made a Matthews (50% retain) to B's trade offer, for future consideration, and B's fans would still say pass.

LOL

P.S. you do know that your team is the #1 contender to trade for him, right?

If they can't steal Pinto away from the Sens.
Sep. 9, 2023 at 7:32 p.m.
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This makes the Bruins worse in every scenario
Sep. 9, 2023 at 7:52 p.m.
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Quoting: beantownboy17
This makes the Bruins worse in every scenario


When you are desperate to find a new #1 center, things tend to get worse.
Sep. 9, 2023 at 7:52 p.m.
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Quoting: draft_em_sign_em_trade_em
I could have made a Matthews (50% retain) to B's trade offer, for future consideration, and B's fans would still say pass.

LOL

P.S. you do know that you're team is the #1 contender to trade for him, right> If they can't steal Pinto away from the Sens?


It goes both ways. It’s as if there are some Jets fans who believe Scheifele’s value isn’t impacted by the fact he’s a pending FA who will be 31 in a year where there is a ton of cash available. If there is confidence you can resign him, he shouldn’t be on the trade block. Same with Helly.

Jeremy Swayman is arguably the most talented goalie under 25 who has played at a very high level, yet he’s labeled as just a goalie. I’d rather have a 24 who has shown potential greatness than a 30 year old pending FA if you want to speak in generalities.

This deal is an easy no for Boston, because Winnipeg will diminish the value of DeBrusk as a rental (as they should because he will likely not sign there). Im comfortable that any deal with Winnipeg will not include him.

I do think there is a deal between the two teams if Helly is traded. My concern is Helly’s value is too compromised by the rumors that he wants $10m per year (5 years? 6 years?). This isn’t a goalie thing. It’s a price thing at his age.
Sep. 9, 2023 at 7:57 p.m.
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Quoting: draft_em_sign_em_trade_em
When you are desperate to find a new #1 center, things tend to get worse.


With cap space next year, I don’t believe they are as desperate as some are suggesting. It’s not as if Scheifele will give them a discount if he’s acquired now.

Do they deal with the implications this year and then filll the gap next year while keeping their assets? Part of me believes that is the more prudent way to go.

For the right price, I’d contemplate a Scheifele deal. That said, I’d rather have a two way center who scores less than him based on their system. His plus/minus on a good team suggests a bigger issue than some Winnipeg fans will want to admit.
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Sep. 9, 2023 at 8:01 p.m.
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Quoting: Windjammer
Easy no for Winnipeg. A rental winger and goalie don't come near the value of a 1C.


I'm saying not DeBrusk is better or even as good as Schefeile , but last season DeBrusk has .78 points per game, Schefeile .81 per game.
Actually Swayman can't be traded this season because his contract was awarded in arbitration
Sep. 9, 2023 at 8:04 p.m.
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It goes both ways. It’s as if there are some Jets fans who believe Scheifele’s value isn’t impacted by the fact he’s a pending FA who will be 31 in a year where there is a ton of cash available. If there is confidence you can resign him, he shouldn’t be on the trade block. Same with Helly.

Jeremy Swayman is arguably the most talented goalie under 25 who has played at a very high level, yet he’s labeled as just a goalie. I’d rather have a 24 who has shown potential greatness than a 30 year old pending FA if you want to speak in generalities.

This deal is an easy no for Boston, because Winnipeg will diminish the value of DeBrusk as a rental (as they should because he will likely not sign there). Im comfortable that any deal with Winnipeg will not include him.

I do think there is a deal between the two teams if Helly is traded. My concern is Helly’s value is too compromised by the rumors that he wants $10m per year (5 years? 6 years?). This isn’t a goalie thing. It’s a price thing at his age.


I honestly think Debrusk would resign for the Jets, if he gets top line and top dollar, that's all the matters.

Unlike so many other players, Debrusk growing up in Edm, will not be a whiner about the nasty weather in Winnipeg.

Swayman just helps the trades work, Bos has a legit #1 goalie (Ullmark), Jets have an unhappy #1 goalie (Helly) and Swayman wants to be a #1 goalie.

Unrealistic, yes... but it fits what I want to do.

LOL
Sep. 9, 2023 at 9:42 p.m.
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Quoting: palhal
I'm saying not DeBrusk is better or even as good as Schefeile , but last season DeBrusk has .78 points per game, Schefeile .81 per game.
Actually Swayman can't be traded this season because his contract was awarded in arbitration


Comparing the career year of a normally disappointing winger to a down year of a consistent 1C where he still scored 42 goals is pretty disingenuous. The value just isn't there from Boston.
Sep. 9, 2023 at 9:49 p.m.
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Nope, Scheifele is grossly overrated
Sep. 9, 2023 at 10:57 p.m.
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Nope, Scheifele is grossly overrated


Over rated, one name comes to my mind...

Swayman.
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Sep. 9, 2023 at 11:24 p.m.
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Actually Swayman can't be traded this season because his contract was awarded in arbitration


I’ve seen this mentioned, but is this true? I can’t find any mention of it on puckpedia or cap friendly.
Sep. 9, 2023 at 11:25 p.m.
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Comparing the career year of a normally disappointing winger to a down year of a consistent 1C where he still scored 42 goals is pretty disingenuous. The value just isn't there from Boston.


What’s disingenuous is disregarding contract year and age implications to a players value.
Sep. 9, 2023 at 11:28 p.m.
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I’ve seen this mentioned, but is this true? I can’t find any mention of it on puckpedia or cap friendly.


Yes
Sep. 9, 2023 at 11:45 p.m.
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What’s disingenuous is disregarding contract year and age implications to a players value.


Contract as in they both have one year to ufa?

I do agree with you on age though. A soon to be 27 YO average rental winger is too old to consider in return for Scheifele.
Sep. 10, 2023 at 12:39 a.m.
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Yes


No mention of it in the athletic article discussing salary arbitration, which was more detailed than what I’ve seen on puckpedia or cap friendly.

Some mention of differences if the player vs the team opts for it.

https://theathletic.com/3487717/2022/08/09/nhl-arbitration/?source=user_shared_article

Not saying you are wrong. Just normally this would be spelled out. Do you have a specific player reference that maybe I can look at?
Sep. 10, 2023 at 1:06 a.m.
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Quoting: Celtics21
No mention of it in the athletic article discussing salary arbitration, which was more detailed than what I’ve seen on puckpedia or cap friendly.

Some mention of differences if the player vs the team opts for it.

https://theathletic.com/3487717/2022/08/09/nhl-arbitration/?source=user_shared_article

Not saying you are wrong. Just normally this would be spelled out. Do you have a specific player reference that maybe I can look at?


I think we're confusing arbitration rules and offer sheet rules...

I know for sure offer sheet players are frozen from being traded for one season after signing.
Sep. 10, 2023 at 2:01 a.m.
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I think we're confusing arbitration rules and offer sheet rules...

I know for sure offer sheet players are frozen from being traded for one season after signing.


Thanks. I’m not sure either way, but I’m pretty comfortable it would have been mentioned in the Athletic Article because that was as detailed as I’ve seen. Appreciate the discussion.
Sep. 10, 2023 at 2:17 a.m.
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Over rated, one name comes to my mind...

Swayman.


That’s one name that comes to mind? Really?

I think Connor Hellebuyck is a hell of a goaltender and Swayman’s stats are pretty comparable

https://stathead.com/tiny/CWwiT

You use the same platform to compare their first three years and frankly Swayman is a bit better.

I’d rather have Swayman over the next 6 years vs Hellebuyck even though I believe Hellebuyck is one of the top 4 goalies in the league right now. I find the dialogue about being overrated to be kind of dumb.

For the record, I don’t believe Scheifele is overrated. He’s not a good defender at this stage and I’m not sure if he fits the system that Montgomery wants to run, but he is a premium offensive center.
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Sep. 10, 2023 at 8:17 a.m.
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Over rated, one name comes to my mind...

Swayman.


Weird because he's been one of better goalies over the last 3 years. His AHL numbers before that were strong and he carried a Maine hockey program for 3 years, nearly winning a Hobey Baker for best player in college hockey has final year there.
Sep. 10, 2023 at 12:35 p.m.
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Weird because he's been one of better goalies over the last 3 years. His AHL numbers before that were strong and he carried a Maine hockey program for 3 years, nearly winning a Hobey Baker for best player in college hockey has final year there.


Basically his career trajectory to date has mirrored Connor Hellebuyck from college to his first three years in the league and his stat profile last year wasn’t that far off. Both are highly athletic goalies whose primary flaw is rebound control, but they kill on high danger chances with Hellebuyck probably being one of the best I’ve seen in that area.

The Swayman comment was just a “response” to you suggesting Scheifele is grossly overrated. I flag Scheifele as a highly talented offensive player (top 98 percent in finishing) but his EV defense is around Bertuzzi levels (2% is terrible).

Still a significant positive because the offensive skill set is damn good, but I discount players who defensive effort is in that bad. Still, he could be a gap filler for the right price
 
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