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Circus in Toronto

Created by: HShockey
Team: 2023-24 Toronto Maple Leafs
Initial Creation Date: Sep. 10, 2023
Published: Sep. 10, 2023
Salary Cap Mode: Basic
Free Agent Signings
RESERVE LISTYEARSCAP HIT
3$925,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
1$2,500,000
Trades
1.
TOR
  1. Mazur, Carter
  2. Perron, David ($1,860,000 retained)
  3. Sandin Pellikka, Axel [Reserve List]
  4. 2024 1st round pick (BOS)
  5. 2024 2nd round pick (DET)
Additional Details:
The Red Wings add another bonafide star to speed up the rebuild, adding a player who would off the bat, become their best player dealing 2 good prospects, a 1st, 2nd and pending FA.
DET
  1. Nylander, William
  2. Voit, Ty
Additional Details:
Leafs add draft capital which can be used in other deals, two top prospects and a solid veteran
2.
TOR
  1. 2025 3rd round pick (COL)
  2. 2025 5th round pick (COL)
3.
TOR
  1. DeMelo, Dylan ($1,500,000 retained)
  2. Scheifele, Mark ($3,000,000 retained)
Additional Details:
THIRD TEAM RETAINS ON DEMELO
WPG
  1. Hirvonen, Roni
  2. Lafferty, Sam
  3. 2024 1st round pick (TOR)
  4. 2024 2nd round pick (DET)
  5. 2025 3rd round pick (TOR)
DraftRound 1Round 2Round 3Round 4Round 5Round 6Round 7
2024
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2025
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2026
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ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
22$83,500,000$83,496,584$0$0$3,416
Left WingCentreRight Wing
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$5,500,000$5,500,000
LW, RW
NMC
UFA - 1
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$11,640,250$11,640,250
C
NMC
UFA - 1
$2,500,000$2,500,000
RW
UFA - 1
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$11,000,000$11,000,000
C, LW
NMC
UFA - 2
Logo of the Winnipeg Jets
$3,125,000$3,125,000
C
NMC
UFA - 1
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$10,903,000$10,903,000
RW
NMC
UFA - 2
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$925,000$925,000
LW, RW
RFA - 2
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$3,000,000$3,000,000
C, RW
M-NTC
UFA - 1
Logo of the Detroit Red Wings
$2,890,000$2,890,000
RW, LW
M-NTC
UFA - 1
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$796,667$796,667
LW, RW
RFA - 1
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$2,400,000$2,400,000
C
M-NTC
UFA - 4
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$1,350,000$1,350,000
RW
UFA - 3
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$800,000$800,000
C, LW
RFA - 2
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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$7,500,000$7,500,000
LD
NMC
UFA - 7
Logo of the Winnipeg Jets
$1,500,000$1,500,000
RD
M-NTC
UFA - 1
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$3,550,000$3,550,000
G
UFA - 1
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$2,000,000$2,000,000
LD/RD
M-NTC
UFA - 2
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$1,400,000$1,400,000
RD
RFA - 1
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$766,667$766,667
G
RFA - 2
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$5,000,000$5,000,000
LD/RD
M-NTC
UFA - 1
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$4,150,000$4,150,000
RD
M-NTC
UFA - 1
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$800,000$800,000
LD
UFA - 1
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
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$5,625,000$5,625,000
LD
M-NTC
UFA - 1
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$4,687,500$4,687,500
G
M-NTC
UFA - 1
Taxi Squad
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$1,100,000$1,100,000 ($0$0$0$0)
RD
RFA - 2
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$875,000$875,000 ($0$0$0$0)
G
UFA - 1

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Sep. 10, 2023 at 11:24 a.m.
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That Detroit offer is laughable. That's a massive overpayment for Nylander. No chance in hell would we do that. Nylander is a good player, top 20 winger in the league maybe. But he's not worth half of that to us.
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Sep. 10, 2023 at 11:28 a.m.
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We don't need to "speed up the rebuild", Yzerman is building for the long term and both Mazur & Sandin-Pellikka should be part of it.
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Sep. 10, 2023 at 11:29 a.m.
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When’s the last time a pending UFA got that much in return?
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Sep. 10, 2023 at 11:32 a.m.
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There is not a single team that would give up those kinds of assets for a rental.
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Sep. 10, 2023 at 11:36 a.m.
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Also Nylander isn't better overall player than Larkin. So that statement is mute.
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Sep. 10, 2023 at 11:38 a.m.
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So essentially 2 1st round picks, a top.prospect, a 2nd and a veteran how is helping the team get more professional will pitching in with goals for a pending free agent who can walk becuas there is no way Yzerman is giving him 10 million.

This is what is called totally ludicrous. He is good but not sure he is worth all that.
Sep. 10, 2023 at 11:46 a.m.
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Certainly a circus happening wherever you live.
Sep. 10, 2023 at 11:47 a.m.
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Nylander is not getting that return for all the reasons listed above and for this big one:

This dude had the longest hold-out in the cap era. His dad is one of the most well-documented helicopter parents in sports. There's no guarantee that if he gets dealt to a team he doesn't like that he'll even play. You can say I'm over-exaggerating things, but I have to imagine this is a serious concern for some GMs.
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Sep. 10, 2023 at 11:56 a.m.
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The Jets aren't giving DeMelo and Scheifele away for nothing. It's not realistic.
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Sep. 10, 2023 at 12:14 p.m.
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Quoting: Windjammer
The Jets aren't giving DeMelo and Scheifele away for nothing. It's not realistic.


Yikes I didn't even make it down to that trade. That's one of those trades that will piss off both winnepeg and toronto fans. There's nothing of substance in return for two good players, and yet I guarantee you most toronto fans don't want those two players.
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Sep. 10, 2023 at 12:19 p.m.
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Avs decline
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Sep. 10, 2023 at 12:27 p.m.
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Quoting: Shaquille_Oatmeal
We don't need to "speed up the rebuild", Yzerman is building for the long term and both Mazur & Sandin-Pellikka should be part of it.


Quoting: LeonardoNoCardio
There is not a single team that would give up those kinds of assets for a rental.


Quoting: mikearky
So essentially 2 1st round picks, a top.prospect, a 2nd and a veteran how is helping the team get more professional will pitching in with goals for a pending free agent who can walk becuas there is no way Yzerman is giving him 10 million.

This is what is called totally ludicrous. He is good but not sure he is worth all that.


Quoting: Lancebmx
That Detroit offer is laughable. That's a massive overpayment for Nylander. No chance in hell would we do that. Nylander is a good player, top 20 winger in the league maybe. But he's not worth half of that to us.


Quoting: Shaquille_Oatmeal
We don't need to "speed up the rebuild", Yzerman is building for the long term and both Mazur & Sandin-Pellikka should be part of it.


Quoting: LeonardoNoCardio
There is not a single team that would give up those kinds of assets for a rental.


Quoting: mikearky
So essentially 2 1st round picks, a top.prospect, a 2nd and a veteran how is helping the team get more professional will pitching in with goals for a pending free agent who can walk becuas there is no way Yzerman is giving him 10 million.

This is what is called totally ludicrous. He is good but not sure he is worth all that.


Your getting a Franchise-Altering piece without giving up Raymond, Edvinsson, Kasper, or Danielsson. Players like Nylander rarely hit the trade market, so if your keeping all your core-pieces and getting a top-20 winger, why not? Especially if you can get an extension done.
Sep. 10, 2023 at 12:39 p.m.
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Edited Sep. 10, 2023 at 12:54 p.m.
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Your getting a Franchise-Altering piece without giving up Raymond, Edvinsson, Kasper, or Danielsson. Players like Nylander rarely hit the trade market, so if your keeping all your core-pieces and getting a top-20 winger, why not? Especially if you can get an extension done.


The Wings are not building like Toronto. They don’t have the Matthews and Marner players and don’t have multiple 10 million dollar contracts.

Those pieces are going to help the overall depth of the team. Mazur looks to be at worst a middle 6 (although not a guarantee as he could end up top 6), ASP slots in behind Seider for a 1-2 on the right side that should be fantastic. Another 1st and a second added on, and DP and his playoff experience plus retention, too much.
Sep. 10, 2023 at 12:44 p.m.
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Quoting: HShockey
Your getting a Franchise-Altering piece without giving up Raymond, Edvinsson, Kasper, or Danielsson. Players like Nylander rarely hit the trade market, so if your keeping all your core-pieces and getting a top-20 winger, why not? Especially if you can get an extension done.


Because it doesn't make sense? Nylander won't be "franchise altering" when he is 31 and this team is 1) in cap hell with his $10+M contract and 2) when this team is actually competing. Also franchise altering is a stretch, he's a good offensive player on a good offensive team. I'm sure he's ppg player on almost any team I would bet. He's not good defensively and I'm sure Detroit would rather have the younger, cheaper and longer years of those prospects traded away. Nylander doesn't instantly turn is into a contender whereas those young players traded away have a better chance of doing so.
Sep. 10, 2023 at 1:08 p.m.
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Edited Sep. 10, 2023 at 1:13 p.m.
Quoting: HShockey
Your getting a Franchise-Altering piece without giving up Raymond, Edvinsson, Kasper, or Danielsson. Players like Nylander rarely hit the trade market, so if your keeping all your core-pieces and getting a top-20 winger, why not? Especially if you can get an extension done.


Franchise altering sure is a rose-colored way of looking at a player who has been over a PPG once despite being a notably one-dimensional forward.
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Sep. 10, 2023 at 1:45 p.m.
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This is interesting. The Leafs gets the bank for Nylander, a non retained pending UFA. The Jets on the other hand get peanuts for Scheifele and Demelo, two pending UFAs max retained.
This is a case of serious homerism, all in one ACGM, kind of like the textbook definition.
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Sep. 10, 2023 at 1:49 p.m.
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Quoting: HShockey
Your getting a Franchise-Altering piece without giving up Raymond, Edvinsson, Kasper, or Danielsson. Players like Nylander rarely hit the trade market, so if your keeping all your core-pieces and getting a top-20 winger, why not? Especially if you can get an extension done.


Again, any smart GM would have SERIOUS concerns about getting an extension done with Nylander. That's the huge issue here. The last two seasons statistically are showing Nylander trending in the right direction. He would likely be the 2nd best player on many teams in this league. But that's all a moot point if a GM isn't confident he will sign an extension. And again, who's to say he he won't sit out if he or Michael doesn't like where he is traded?
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Sep. 10, 2023 at 2:08 p.m.
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Quoting: HShockey
Your getting a Franchise-Altering piece without giving up Raymond, Edvinsson, Kasper, or Danielsson. Players like Nylander rarely hit the trade market, so if your keeping all your core-pieces and getting a top-20 winger, why not? Especially if you can get an extension done.


Yzerman won't pay Nylander what he wants so 1 year of Nylander is not worth any thing close to that. DeBrincat has more goals in less games than Nylander and DeBrincat got $7.8M.
Sep. 10, 2023 at 2:11 p.m.
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All teams not called TOR decline.
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Sep. 10, 2023 at 5:16 p.m.
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