I like how you make it seem as if the Canadians are one of the best teams in hockey. Made me laugh. Anyway, your defense is pure rookies and your goaltending is a sad sight to see. Good news is you’ll get a top ten pick! I think you’ll still beat out the Flyers though!

Hell no TB doesn't have to deal with that bull**** after this year send an unprotected 1st next year maybe they consider it

I like the top 9; I think it's more likely that Armia/Dvorak/Evans stick with the team for at least one more year. The only teams that have cap space available to grab those guys also happen to be teams that aren't looking for veteran depth guys. I'd stick Armia/Evans in where RHP/Beck are on the 4th line and Dvorak...somewhere in there. Hell, make Ylonen the 13th forward and have Dvo be your 4th line RW, who cares.

I'd keep Savard on the team for the time being too, if only to be a veteran presence for the glut of young d-men in the org. Provided he stays healthy, he'll be a great trade chip in 2024-25 as a veteran D with a Cup under his belt, and you'll get a good return for him.

Casey DeSmith will probably pass through waivers if you can't find a taker, but I think he's the first guy out the door if any goalie gets hurt in the preseason. Interesting to see what happens with him, honestly, because Montembault should clearly be the starter and Jake Allen is going to be more difficult to move at this point.

No one is sending assets for the honor of saving Montreal ownership the uninsured portion of Prices contract. No matter what team it is unless your taking back substantial liabilities they're not considering it. You certainly aren't getting assets. Clearly your either clueless on how LTIR works or this is a complete troll job.

There's no incentive for a team to give up pick for an LTIR contract. You'd have to take a bad contract in return as well. Not sure who that could be at the moment.

I'm curious to see how it all plays out with the Lightning. CF has them with 16 guys under contract for 2024-25 and about $12.4M in space available - but Steve Stamkos is going to need a new deal. Beyond him, most of the core is locked up, but even if you lowball Stamkos at an $8M AAV, there's only 10 forwards and 5 D under contract and $4.4M left to fill out the margins - if you want to have any healthy scratches, you're basically looking at 5/6 guys making league minimum.

Price's deal expires after 2025-26, so it would be kicking the LTIR can two more years down the line - and would give a little more wiggle room in adding useful NHL players to the roster while the team's window is still open.

How did I make it seem like this was a top team, I just laid out how those lines will play. This team was designed with the idea that more rookies/young guys will make the lineup and moving out some vets in the process. Monty will get 40-50 games this year and continue his solid development but you are right we will still be a bottom 10 team and that's the point of moving out the vets and Price's contract. If we were going to compete we would be keeping Price for his LTIR relief as well as guys like Dvo and Savard to push for the playoffs.



Just like we had to include 3 1sts and some top prospects to move Weber or Chairot right?! Jeesh, why do you even bother commenting if you are just going to ignore past trades?! LTIR contracts don't require any compensation, contending teams find them valuable to allow for them to add more important peices to help win championships (you would think a Lightening fan would graps that concept)

How does adding an LTIR contract when you don't have to help ? IT DOESN'T!!!!! IT DOESN'T ALLOW YOU TO ACCRUE CAP SPACE FOR TDL ACQUISITIONS!!!!!!!! There is zero benefit to using LTIR if you don't have to.

Price's contract is almost fully insured, moreso than Webers was when he was traded

Except to go 18 mil over the hard cap to win a cup!!!

Only if they are dumping other liabilities take Tampa acquiring Seabrook TB desperately needed to dump Johnson's contract so it cost them a 2 Johnson and taking And paying the uninsured portion of his contract ( insurance policies I believe max at 80%
So if you're going to ignore pertaiant historical precedent please don't comment!!!

Weber's contract got a 4th cause Vegas wanted to exceed the cap for a cup run, same principle.

Because clueless we had A 9.5 million dollar LTIR case already . So in order to open more cap space they saved Mellnyk 3 million dollars in uninsured salary but go on with your completely in accurate delusional beliefs on how LTIR WORK !! 18 MILLION OVER THE CAP CRY OF THE LIFE SER!

But they again were already using LTIR IF A TEAM ISN'T and doesn't have to like TB shouldn't have to after this season there is no good reason to add an LTIR CONTRACT FROM ANOTHER TEAM PERIOD FULL STOP!
BTW You're Full of S*** Weber got Montreal a 4th it got them Dadonov

https://www.capfriendly.com/trades/players/shea-weber.
Because VGK was getting rid of a 5.5 million dollar liability in their eyes.

OP has a fundamental misunderstanding of how LTIR works.

It's not a "the players cap hit disappears and you get to exceed cap by that amount". You don't get to double dip on cap relief.

Yes, you get to exceed the cap when a player is on LTIR. But only up to that players salary, while also counting that players salary. The cap relief is being able to exceed the cap. Player still counts

Weber was moved for Dadonov, right? Vegas got a contract off the books. That was the incentive. Just getting a guy to put on LTIR doesn't provide a benefit.

Eh, you're not wrong. 10 minutes of noodling around on CF and Tampa is going to be tight to the cap with a 22-man roster in 2024-25 whether or not you have Price on LTIR. ETA: It really only works if TB sends something back, and there's nothing on their current roster that would justify getting dumped like that.

If there's some arcane way to make it work, though, I'm sure that JBB is aware of it, and then I think it's still worthwhile. But at this point it doesn't really give them any advantage, and even if it's only $2M of deadline cap space, it'll still wind up more valuable.

I never said his cap hit disappears, I said it allows them to exceed the cap, huge distinction there. Also never said the trade had to be made right now or that it had to be Tampa, I distinctly remember adding the description that it could be Vegas or Edmonton as well, I just kind of assumed people would be smart enough to figure out it was any contender wanting to add whomever had LTIR money already invested through out the season but I guess they weren't and I will have to explain everything like I am talking to 2 year Olds from now on.

Anyway, if Tampa fans want to bi*** about taking on a contract to help them stay in contention, then they can just watch their stars walk away and become bottom feeders for the next few years. JBB would absolutely take on the Price contract if it meant he could resign Stamkos and prolong their window.

The delusion that MTL fans think price who came out to say he’s never playing again is still worth a 3rd! The only reason teams took on LTIR was with a bad contract going back, this is beyond silly. Yes insurance pays 90% of his deal but that still leaves whoever has him on the hook for 3.25 million over the next 3 years. Only teams that do this deal are basement dwellers looking to hit cap floor and MTL adds a 3rd not gets a 3rd in this instance.

How does adding an LTIR contract (that is not already on their books) allow a team to exceed the cap?

If a team has a total cap hit of 80MM, the salary cap is 81MM, and they take on a 5MM LTIR contract then their cap hit is now 85MM but they receive 5MM in cap relief leaving... an effective cap of 80MM, right where the started. The only difference is that the team loses out on cap accrual because you can only accrue salary throughout the season if your total team salary without relief is below the cap.

Pretty close. The team would actually have a little less cap to play with though. This is because the cap relief would be calculated as the amount over the normal cap limit. They'd actually be in worse shape in the latter scenario. It's why teams get their roster as close as possible to the cap before using LTIR.

You truly don't understand how LTIR works. There is NO scenario you are better off with an LTIR Contract than without one given the rest of it is the same taking on prices LTIR DOESN'T GIVE ANY TEAM "EXTRA SALARY CAP.

Gotcha, I misunderstood that. Thanks for clearing it up!

I've been trying to understand LTIR for years now and think I'm finally pretty close. I think they could have made it simpler, but lawyers gonna be lawyers.

Exactly VGK saw Dadonov asa5.5 million dollar liability they shed opening that in cap space not Weber's hit.