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Friedman says Philly wants Pinto - Sens want to shed cap

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Sep. 15, 2023 at 1:02 p.m.
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I think Philly will find a way to get him without moving Frost. Although I think Pinto has a higher ceiling atm
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Sep. 15, 2023 at 1:03 p.m.
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Where did he say this? Could you please provide a link I would love to check it out! I also can’t see the flyers making that trade above Frost is still worth more than Pinto alone
Sep. 15, 2023 at 1:09 p.m.
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I believe you’re talking about the 32 thoughts he released this morning? If that’s the case, he never mentioned Philly wants Pinto he said they should be interested and that a number of teams have talked to him and OTT but there’s not indication that Philly has explicitly stated they want him
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Sep. 15, 2023 at 1:14 p.m.
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Quoting: GMDannyB
I believe you’re talking about the 32 thoughts he released this morning? If that’s the case, he never mentioned Philly wants Pinto he said they should be interested and that a number of teams have talked to him and OTT but there’s not indication that Philly has explicitly stated they want him


That's the one! Someone shared it on Reddit in a way that seemed like he had mentioned Philly and Boston but I think you're right
Sep. 15, 2023 at 1:16 p.m.
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Quoting: GMDannyB
Where did he say this? Could you please provide a link I would love to check it out! I also can’t see the flyers making that trade above Frost is still worth more than Pinto alone


I'd rather have Pinto over Frost by a good bit. The Flyers have no right shot Centers in their system, Pinto is a 6'3 righty who just had a solid offensive season as a 21 year old rookie and has a past pedigree of strong defensive play.
Sep. 15, 2023 at 1:22 p.m.
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I think Philly will find a way to get him without moving Frost. Although I think Pinto has a higher ceiling atm


Tippett, Frost, Cates are probably the only players I’d consider moving Pinto for
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Sep. 15, 2023 at 1:23 p.m.
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I'd rather have Pinto over Frost by a good bit. The Flyers have no right shot Centers in their system, Pinto is a 6'3 righty who just had a solid offensive season as a 21 year old rookie and has a past pedigree of strong defensive play.


He has an excellent shot too
Sep. 15, 2023 at 1:35 p.m.
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Quoting: AlTintin1122
Tippett, Frost, Cates are probably the only players I’d consider moving Pinto for


None of which are available and all of which are worth considerably more than Pinto
Sep. 15, 2023 at 1:36 p.m.
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That's the one! Someone shared it on Reddit in a way that seemed like he had mentioned Philly and Boston but I think you're right


He mentions both as possibilities but never mentions who has actually reached out about it. Everyone always loves to frame things on social media to fit their agenda lol we all know it especially on Reddit!
Sep. 15, 2023 at 1:37 p.m.
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Quoting: DH28Hockey
I'd rather have Pinto over Frost by a good bit. The Flyers have no right shot Centers in their system, Pinto is a 6'3 righty who just had a solid offensive season as a 21 year old rookie and has a past pedigree of strong defensive play.


I agree with you I would rather have Pinto than Frost but I’m saying currently Frost has more value and they literally just signed him so they aren’t trading him. This deal also makes no sense because Frost has more value so in this you are getting a cap dump and player with less value lol
Sep. 15, 2023 at 1:46 p.m.
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Quoting: GMDannyB
None of which are available and all of which are worth considerably more than Pinto


This is a big stretch
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Sep. 15, 2023 at 2:00 p.m.
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Quoting: dougford
This is a big stretch


To the Flyers they are absolutely worth a lot and near untouchable for sure. I agree with you that Frost has more value currently but Pinto has a higher ceiling. But the Flyers have the picks prospects to make this work without moving any of them. Tippett is easily worth much more than Pinto, realistically they just don’t want to move Cates, and they just signed Frost. I’m not saying they will be here for a decade I’m saying they currently have no reason to move any of them except for a ridiculous overpay. Pinto and Joseph is an underpay for any of them.
Sep. 15, 2023 at 2:01 p.m.
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Yeeeah, the Sens are not doing that.
Sep. 15, 2023 at 2:19 p.m.
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Quoting: GMDannyB
To the Flyers they are absolutely worth a lot and near untouchable for sure. I agree with you that Frost has more value currently but Pinto has a higher ceiling. But the Flyers have the picks prospects to make this work without moving any of them. Tippett is easily worth much more than Pinto, realistically they just don’t want to move Cates, and they just signed Frost. I’m not saying they will be here for a decade I’m saying they currently have no reason to move any of them except for a ridiculous overpay. Pinto and Joseph is an underpay for any of them.


Tippett is an interesting case because he's been a career bottom 6 player and suddenly shot a bit above his career avg and scored 27. I'm always weary of players like this.
You need to remember Pinto is still only 22 and scored 20 in his rookie season. How long did it take each of those three to finally hit 40 points?

We'll see how DB's philosophy of massively overrating his guys works out within the next 5 years. But to knock Pinto the way you are would be criminally wrong. He's going to have a year that will be on par with the rest of those three and is 2 years younger than Cates and Frost.
Sep. 15, 2023 at 2:28 p.m.
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To the Flyers they are absolutely worth a lot and near untouchable for sure. I agree with you that Frost has more value currently but Pinto has a higher ceiling. But the Flyers have the picks prospects to make this work without moving any of them. Tippett is easily worth much more than Pinto, realistically they just don’t want to move Cates, and they just signed Frost. I’m not saying they will be here for a decade I’m saying they currently have no reason to move any of them except for a ridiculous overpay. Pinto and Joseph is an underpay for any of them.


Why are ottawa moving Pinto for picks and prospects? It’s not making our team better in the short term
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Sep. 15, 2023 at 2:28 p.m.
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Quoting: GMDannyB
He mentions both as possibilities but never mentions who has actually reached out about it. Everyone always loves to frame things on social media to fit their agenda lol we all know it especially on Reddit!


Yeah this more of a "what could a deal look like"

Seems like sens fans think Pinto is worth more than Frost and Philly fans the opposite - so you know value is close

I do hear that Frost might not be the guy because they just signed him, could be Cates or Laughton instead

I think Tippet is not a good option because if Pinto is moved, a center needs to come back. Also Ottawa needs some cost controlled assets with the Sanderson extension eating up most of their 24-25 space. Tippet is not cost controlled going into the summer. Additional Ottawa is drowning in top 9 wingers.
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Sep. 17, 2023 at 5:42 p.m.
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Quoting: AlTintin1122
Tippett, Frost, Cates are probably the only players I’d consider moving Pinto for

I personally would only want Cates

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This is a big stretch

hahaha the poster you quoted never stops. Don't worry, we're used to it
 
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