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Pinto

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Team: 2023-24 Pittsburgh Penguins
Initial Creation Date: Sep. 16, 2023
Published: Sep. 16, 2023
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If they’re all in they need to do anything to make this work somehow
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2$3,125,000
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  1. Pinto, Shane [RFA Rights]
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  1. Nedeljkovic, Alex
  2. Poulin, Samuel
  3. 2026 2nd round pick (PIT)
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    1. Carter, Jeff
    2. 2025 1st round pick (PIT)
    3. 2026 3rd round pick (SJS)
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    $925,000$925,000
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    $3,125,000$3,125,000
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    UFA - 4
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    $5,375,000$5,375,000
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    UFA - 5
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    $4,025,175$4,025,175
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    $6,100,000$6,100,000
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    G
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    $775,000$775,000
    LD/RD
    RFA - 1

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    Sep. 16, 2023 at 12:56 p.m.
    #1
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    Why would Carter waive for any team
    Sep. 16, 2023 at 12:56 p.m.
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    Anaheim will take Carter for just the 1st!! Keep the 3rd!
    Sep. 16, 2023 at 12:56 p.m.
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    Not a chance ottawa considers this. Even a 1st round pick, Ottawa isn’t doing it
    Sep. 16, 2023 at 1:24 p.m.
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    Carter decides if/where he’s traded.
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    Sep. 16, 2023 at 1:43 p.m.
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    If they need to do anything to make this work somehow, then they will give more than just scraps for Pinto.

    This is not "all in".

    This is half-assed.
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    Sep. 16, 2023 at 1:52 p.m.
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    Quoting: sensonfire
    If they need to do anything to make this work somehow, then they will give more than just scraps for Pinto.

    This is not "all in".

    This is half-assed.


    Boston and Pittsburgh don’t have anything to give up for Pinto
    Sep. 16, 2023 at 1:59 p.m.
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    You really think you can get Pinto for a 2nd round pick and a declining prospect ?
    Sep. 16, 2023 at 2:48 p.m.
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    Quoting: AlTintin1122
    Not a chance ottawa considers this. Even a 1st round pick, Ottawa isn’t doing it


    First off, I recognize this AGM is whacky on all levels.

    Second, if Ottawa moves Pinto, what do you actually think they can get for him? You're saying a 1st isn't enough if they move him? I'm very curious what you think a return for him is because they'd only be moving him due to lack of space space, this is will largely be a futures-heavy deal. They don't have room for a roster player.
    Sep. 16, 2023 at 2:51 p.m.
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    Carter decides if/where he’s traded.


    These constant Carter trades are just getting mind-numbing. I can't understand why people can't grasp the fact we're stuck with him.
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    Sep. 16, 2023 at 3:11 p.m.
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    Not only does Dorion not pick up the phone, he doesn’t touch it with a 20 foot pole.
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    Sep. 16, 2023 at 7:46 p.m.
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    Quoting: Mr_Gardoki
    First off, I recognize this AGM is whacky on all levels.

    Second, if Ottawa moves Pinto, what do you actually think they can get for him? You're saying a 1st isn't enough if they move him? I'm very curious what you think a return for him is because they'd only be moving him due to lack of space space, this is will largely be a futures-heavy deal. They don't have room for a roster player.

    Ottawa chose to not give up Shane Pinto when they acquired Jakob Chychrun a few months ago. It means they preferred to give up their 12th OA pick instead. It should give you an idea of how they value him. They have been higher on him than Sens fans who saw his trajectory/projection a few years ago.

    The only way they'd trade him is for a young player they'd be even higher on or for another impact player but you'd have to make it work with the cap.

    Short story : he's not going anywhere unless someone wants to badly overpay
    Sep. 16, 2023 at 10:19 p.m.
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    Quoting: Xspyrit
    Ottawa chose to not give up Shane Pinto when they acquired Jakob Chychrun a few months ago. It means they preferred to give up their 12th OA pick instead. It should give you an idea of how they value him. They have been higher on him than Sens fans who saw his trajectory/projection a few years ago.

    The only way they'd trade him is for a young player they'd be even higher on or for another impact player but you'd have to make it work with the cap.

    Short story : he's not going anywhere unless someone wants to badly overpay


    I'm not saying your logic is flawed, but what I've been hearing from hockey writers is none of that is as simple as you're saying. Friedman even mentioned the Sens make take slightly less if it means the team also takes an unwanted to contract because they value having the space to sign a good player.
    Sep. 17, 2023 at 10:24 p.m.
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    Quoting: Mr_Gardoki
    I'm not saying your logic is flawed, but what I've been hearing from hockey writers is none of that is as simple as you're saying. Friedman even mentioned the Sens make take slightly less if it means the team also takes an unwanted to contract because they value having the space to sign a good player.

    Hockey writers speculation, that's what they are doing : speculating

    Not a lot materializes though. I can't see the Sens selling low on Pinto based on how high they have been on him for so long.

    There is much easier ways to get cap compliant, like having a 20 men roster to start the year until injury then LTIR. Or trade Kubalik for anything, or even retain on him if necessary

    Could even trade Brannstrom for a pick (which would be a bad move IMO unless it was a 1st)

    This is made a much bigger deal than it is in reality
    Sep. 18, 2023 at 7:02 p.m.
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    Quoting: Xspyrit
    Hockey writers speculation, that's what they are doing : speculating

    Not a lot materializes though. I can't see the Sens selling low on Pinto based on how high they have been on him for so long.

    There is much easier ways to get cap compliant, like having a 20 men roster to start the year until injury then LTIR. Or trade Kubalik for anything, or even retain on him if necessary

    Could even trade Brannstrom for a pick (which would be a bad move IMO unless it was a 1st)

    This is made a much bigger deal than it is in reality


    So you're saying your thought process is as valid as Friedman?
    Sep. 18, 2023 at 8:56 p.m.
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    Quoting: Mr_Gardoki
    So you're saying your thought process is as valid as Friedman?

    Most of the time no but it depends on context. I don't follow any media or whatever reporters have to say, so I keep my mind clean. I don't need anybody to tell me what to think

    However, if he had "insider info" then it's different. But hockey is starting soon and they're most likely just generating discussion
    Sep. 18, 2023 at 9:41 p.m.
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    Quoting: Xspyrit
    Most of the time no but it depends on context. I don't follow any media or whatever reporters have to say, so I keep my mind clean. I don't need anybody to tell me what to think

    However, if he had "insider info" then it's different. But hockey is starting soon and they're most likely just generating discussion


    Friedman, while obviously not right 100% of the time, is one of the most dialed-in insiders there is. He's not some local yokel hockey guy or just some fluff rumor-monger like EK on Hockeybuzz.

    And your logic about just generating discussion is WRONG. Friedman has one of the best reputations in hockey and doesn't just report on things for the heck of it. You however, know literally nothing about what's going on. Now, I'm not saying your theory won't ultimately play out, but to discount one of the most respected hockey guys in the game because it doesn't jive with what you want is simply ignorant.

    For clarity, he didn't say the situation is they will definitely send a bad contract with him in lieu of a higher return. He said it's something being discussed.
    Sep. 18, 2023 at 11:41 p.m.
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    Quoting: Mr_Gardoki
    Friedman, while obviously not right 100% of the time, is one of the most dialed-in insiders there is. He's not some local yokel hockey guy or just some fluff rumor-monger like EK on Hockeybuzz.

    And your logic about just generating discussion is WRONG. Friedman has one of the best reputations in hockey and doesn't just report on things for the heck of it. You however, know literally nothing about what's going on. Now, I'm not saying your theory won't ultimately play out, but to discount one of the most respected hockey guys in the game because it doesn't jive with what you want is simply ignorant.

    For clarity, he didn't say the situation is they will definitely send a bad contract with him in lieu of a higher return. He said it's something being discussed.

    I know who Friedman is, I have been around just as long lol

    I was not discounting him at all, not sure where you think I did that... I said he could have just been speculating and was maybe not a case of him having inside info on this situation

    Reading back on how this conversation started, I simply answered to your question "what do you actually think they can get for him?"

    Then you started to talk about my logic and mention hockey writers, which I am not sure why since it was not really my logic, just a bit of info on what happened with Pinto in the Chychrun negotiations

    That's why I still have no idea why you asked me if my "thought process is as valid as Friedman?"

    But no worries, not much else to say on the subject
     
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