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Sacrificing Batherson to Save Pinto

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Team: 2023-24 Ottawa Senators
Initial Creation Date: Sep. 19, 2023
Published: Sep. 19, 2023
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I'd hate to see either go, but depth @ centre is so important for our growth. Would Philly consider Konecny in a deal? No idea what the return would have to look like.
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Sep. 19, 2023 at 9:09 a.m.
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Batherson is over rated and over paid; dude had 8 x 5v5 goals last year, pathetic. No chance he could be main piece in trade for TK 🤦🏻
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Sep. 19, 2023 at 9:10 a.m.
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Quoting: MitchJr
Batherson is over rated and over paid; dude had 8 x 5v5 goals last year, pathetic. No chance he could be main piece in trade for TK 🤦🏻


Because he was playing with the defensively inept DeBrincat
Sep. 19, 2023 at 9:14 a.m.
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Quoting: FartButtIII
Because he was playing with the defensively inept DeBrincat


He played with Pinto (2nd coming) and deBrincat. They are the reason he only scored 8 5v5 goals 😅; come on, dude is a PP merchant - nothing wrong with that but he’s overpaid and over rated.
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Sep. 19, 2023 at 9:14 a.m.
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Quoting: MitchJr
Batherson is over rated and over paid; dude had 8 x 5v5 goals last year, pathetic. No chance he could be main piece in trade for TK 🤦🏻


62 pt top 6 winger @ under $5 mil + a 1st and 2 x 2nd round picks. Your boy Dubas would have rewarded that production with a 8 x $11 mil deal.
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Sep. 19, 2023 at 9:15 a.m.
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I’d just keep batherson, he’s signed longer and cheaper. He had a nagging high ankle sprain last year and was on a line with no chemistry (pinto and Debrincat). He’ll be much better this year being fully healthy again and playing with Norris (Hopefully)
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Sep. 19, 2023 at 9:15 a.m.
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Quoting: MitchJr
He played with Pinto (2nd coming) and deBrincat. They are the reason he only scored 8 5v5 goals 😅; come on, dude is a PP merchant - nothing wrong with that but he’s overpaid and over rated.


Quoting: backpacker10
62 pt top 6 winger under $5 mil + a 1st and 2 x 2nd round picks. Your boy Dubas would have rewarded that production with a 8 x $11 mil deal.


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Sep. 19, 2023 at 9:16 a.m.
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Quoting: MitchJr
He played with Pinto (2nd coming) and deBrincat. They are the reason he only scored 8 5v5 goals 😅; come on, dude is a PP merchant - nothing wrong with that but he’s overpaid and over rated.


I’ve never seen anyone say he’s overpaid before lol 60+ pt winger for less than 5m is quite a deal in my mind, even if he accumulates more on the PP
Sep. 19, 2023 at 9:17 a.m.
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Quoting: backpacker10
62 pt top 6 winger under $5 mil + a 1st and 2 x 2nd round picks. Your boy Dubas would have rewarded that production with a 8 x $11 mil deal.


So I'm assuming that makes the Kerfoot deal the deal of the century? 3.5 mill for 50 points! That 80% of the points, better defensively AND 71% of the cost!
Sep. 19, 2023 at 9:18 a.m.
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Quoting: backpacker10
62 pt top 6 winger under $5 mil + a 1st and 2 x 2nd round picks. Your boy Dubas would have rewarded that production with a 8 x $11 mil deal.


14 of his 22 goals and 29 of his 62 points came on PP. he doesn’t get a sniff on leafs PP (like pretty much everything, Leafs PP much between than SEN’s) so doubtful ‘my boy’ Dubas overpays Batherson 😂. Dubie did pay for elite production (could argue he even overpaid), but he rarely overpaid for meh players (Kerfoot being one exception)
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Sep. 19, 2023 at 9:19 a.m.
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Quoting: backpacker10
62 pt top 6 winger under $5 mil + a 1st and 2 x 2nd round picks. Your boy Dubas would have rewarded that production with a 8 x $11 mil deal.


That's actually what Dorion rewarded when he gave Norris a 7.9/8 deal
Sep. 19, 2023 at 9:21 a.m.
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Quoting: MitchJr
14 of his 22 goals and 29 of his 62 points came on PP. he doesn’t get a sniff on leafs PP (like pretty much everything, Leafs PP much between than SEN’s) so doubtful ‘my boy’ Dubas overpays Batherson 😂. Dubie did pay for elite production (could argue he even overpaid), but he rarely overpaid for meh players (Kerfoot being one exception)


Stop ragging on the Foot! He's produced 80% of what Batherson produced at 71% of the cost AND plays defence
Sep. 19, 2023 at 9:28 a.m.
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Quoting: Leafsfan98
So I'm assuming that makes the Kerfoot deal the deal of the century? 3.5 mill for 50 points! That 80% of the points, better defensively AND 71% of the cost!


Quoting: MitchJr
14 of his 22 goals and 29 of his 62 points came on PP. he doesn’t get a sniff on leafs PP (like pretty much everything, Leafs PP much between than SEN’s) so doubtful ‘my boy’ Dubas overpays Batherson 😂. Dubie did pay for elite production (could argue he even overpaid), but he rarely overpaid for meh players (Kerfoot being one exception)


Matthews, Marner, Tavares, Nylander = $40.5 mil/year and.....1 playoff round win. Anyway, this ACGM is about the Sens and Philly as a centrepiece. Wishing the Leafs all the best this upcoming season.
Sep. 19, 2023 at 9:33 a.m.
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Matthews, Marner, Tavares, Nylander = $40.5 mil/year and.....1 playoff round win. Anyway, this ACGM is about the Sens and Philly as a centrepiece. Wishing the Leafs all the best this upcoming season.


😅. Guy gets called out on his questionable trade proposal and resorts to insults 😂. And best part is you are a SENs fan - arguably top 5 joke franchises in the league: team went bankrupt, you play in a barn, you’ve missed playoffs 6 (soon to be 7) years in a row and leaf fans out number you at your own home games. Keep up the good work 👏
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Sep. 19, 2023 at 9:34 a.m.
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The Flyers would probably take this deal but I don’t see them moving TK this close to training camp
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Sep. 19, 2023 at 9:45 a.m.
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Matthews, Marner, Tavares, Nylander = $40.5 mil/year and.....1 playoff round win. Anyway, this ACGM is about the Sens and Philly as a centrepiece. Wishing the Leafs all the best this upcoming season.


Tkachuk, Stuzle, Norris, Batherson, Chabot, Sanderson = 44 mill/year and... 0 playoff games combined. Anyway, have fun in purgatory
Sep. 19, 2023 at 9:50 a.m.
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The Flyers would probably take this deal but I don’t see them moving TK this close to training camp


I agree with you. But there are rumblings that the Sens and Philly are talking trade around Shane Pinto. I think TK is a phenomenal player, but he might not fit into the timelines of the rebuild. Philly is reminding me of Ottawa 5 years ago and I commend Briere for properly tackling a needed rebuild. It'll be painful now, but Philly will be a force in a few years. Michkov is going to be a beast.
Sep. 19, 2023 at 9:57 a.m.
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Quoting: FartButtIII
Because he was playing with the defensively inept DeBrincat


I mean, Batherson is ass defensively in his own right, that's not really a fair argument imo.

The reason for his step back was his ankle. He spoke about it in season, but he was playing on a bad leg from his injury the year before until like the trade deadline. High ankle injuries take a long time for players to get back to full speed. Same thing happened in 2015 to Kyle Turris. Clearly played at less than 100%, had a rough year, then had a huge bounce back in 2016/17 when he was fully healed. Batherson will bounce back 100%
Sep. 19, 2023 at 9:58 a.m.
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Tkachuk, Stuzle, Norris, Batherson, Chabot, Sanderson = 44 mill/year and... 0 playoff games combined. Anyway, have fun in purgatory


Have fun spending every waking moment thinking about a team you don't cheer for
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Sep. 19, 2023 at 10:03 a.m.
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I agree with you. But there are rumblings that the Sens and Philly are talking trade around Shane Pinto. I think TK is a phenomenal player, but he might not fit into the timelines of the rebuild. Philly is reminding me of Ottawa 5 years ago and I commend Briere for properly tackling a needed rebuild. It'll be painful now, but Philly will be a force in a few years. Michkov is going to be a beast.


I agree but the reports coming out is that a Philly veteran will be going. I wouldn’t call TK a veteran he’s only 4-5 years into the league lol I guess everyone has their own definition but to me a veteran is a guy pushing or over 30 and TK is like 26
Sep. 19, 2023 at 10:05 a.m.
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Sacrificing Batherson to get Konecny
Sacrificing Brännström to sign Pinto
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Sep. 19, 2023 at 10:08 a.m.
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Have fun spending every waking moment thinking about a team you don't cheer for


I think about all teams thank you very much
Sep. 19, 2023 at 10:11 a.m.
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Quoting: Claesson4Norris
Have fun spending every waking moment thinking about a team you don't cheer for


I gotta say, this is an all-timer. Very much enjoyed your response. Top marks. Well done.
Sep. 19, 2023 at 10:13 a.m.
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Quoting: Claesson4Norris
Have fun spending every waking moment thinking about a team you don't cheer for


oh the irony in this lol
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Sep. 19, 2023 at 10:15 a.m.
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I agree but the reports coming out is that a Philly veteran will be going. I wouldn’t call TK a veteran he’s only 4-5 years into the league lol I guess everyone has their own definition but to me a veteran is a guy pushing or over 30 and TK is like 26


I certainly didn't mean it that way. Just looking @ Ottawa's situation as a comparison. It's a 5-year process to get the prospects and be ready to compete for a playoff spot and the Cup. At that point, Konecny is 31 years old (and likely still producing at a high rate). Truthfully if I'm Briere, I am considering a package of high end prospects and picks for Konecny. The Sens did this, and it was incredibly painful. But I think we're about to see the payoff.
Sep. 19, 2023 at 10:30 a.m.
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Quoting: Claesson4Norris
Have fun spending every waking moment thinking about a team you don't cheer for


Come on bud, get serious 😂. You really think Leafs fans care about the SENs - you’re arguably the most irrelevant team in division; average team with ok players, terrible arena, weak prospect pool but most of all deluded fan base. I love reading - every spring - about how great the team will be… only for reality to kick in by Xmas. Keep it coming
 
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