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We should not sign Pinto if we can not make a fair trade for Ottawa

Created by: sensonfire
Team: 2023-24 Ottawa Senators
Initial Creation Date: Sep. 22, 2023
Published: Sep. 22, 2023
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Any leverage that other teams have on us should be projected on to Pinto.


If we can not sign Pinto before December because other teams don't want to make fair trades with us, then so be it.
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Sep. 22, 2023 at 1:36 p.m.
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Leafs going to Leafs
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"Fair value" tears of joy tears of joy tears of joy tears of joy

Hate to break it to you, but NHL GMs are trying to get at the best deal possible for their team... They won't ever give another team a break
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Sep. 22, 2023 at 1:38 p.m.
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Sep. 22, 2023 at 1:51 p.m.
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And you think Pinto will be happy to not play for a year just because his gm prefered to sign Tarasenko.
Sep. 22, 2023 at 1:59 p.m.
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The problem is Shane Pinto is needed.

He's an important part of the depth at center. If Norris goes down, who ya got? Greig, which looks decent, but is also injury prone due to his physical game. We making the playoffs with Kastelic as our 2C?

When you evaluate "fair value", you also need to consider cap space gained and the addition of Pinto.

We let Pinto sit a year, he'll probably request a trade before next season, and then good luck getting fair value for him.
Sep. 22, 2023 at 2:02 p.m.
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Quoting: AnonymousSensFan
The problem is Shane Pinto is needed.

He's an important part of the depth at center. If Norris goes down, who ya got? Greig, which looks decent, but is also injury prone due to his physical game. We making the playoffs with Kastelic as our 2C?

When you evaluate "fair value", you also need to consider cap space gained and the addition of Pinto.

We let Pinto sit a year, he'll probably request a trade before next season, and then good luck getting fair value for him.


If Norris goes down, we see how long he can stay on LTIR for.

Then we see if we can sign Pinto.
Sep. 22, 2023 at 2:10 p.m.
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If Norris goes down, we see how long he can stay on LTIR for.

Then we see if we can sign Pinto.


If that's past December 1st you can't
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Sep. 22, 2023 at 2:12 p.m.
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If Norris goes down, we see how long he can stay on LTIR for.

Then we see if we can sign Pinto.


What if he goes down after December 1st?

Or he goes down, but will be back in 2 months? If you sign Pinto then, you have even less leverage to dump a contract when Norris comes back.

Without Pinto, we have no backups at center. Kiss playoff hopes goodbye. Because we didn't want a 3rd instead of a 2nd for Brannstrom, or Kubalik, or had give away a second for Joseph?
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Sep. 22, 2023 at 2:18 p.m.
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Quoting: Leafsfan98
"Fair value" tears of joy tears of joy tears of joy tears of joy

Hate to break it to you, but NHL GMs are trying to get at the best deal possible for their team... They won't ever give another team a break


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If that's past December 1st you can't


Quoting: AnonymousSensFan
What if he goes down after December 1st?

Or he goes down, but will be back in 2 months? If you sign Pinto then, you have even less leverage to dump a contract when Norris comes back.

Without Pinto, we have no backups at center. Kiss playoff hopes goodbye. Because we didn't want a 3rd instead of a 2nd for Brannstrom, or Kubalik, or had give away a second for Joseph?


FWIW, I'm pretty open minded as to what a fair trade would be for Ottawa.

There are 31 other teams to trade with and we only need to trade with 1.
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Sep. 22, 2023 at 2:25 p.m.
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FWIW, I'm pretty open minded as to what a fair trade would be for Ottawa.

There are 31 other teams to trade with and we only need to trade with 1.


And? Teams won't take sweetheart deals out of "the good of their heart" bc they are being paid to win a cup
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Sep. 22, 2023 at 4:40 p.m.
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I suggest let's be patient a little bit more.

I mean, Dorion can't be THAT stupid. He must have known things we don't know about when he signed Tarasenko and Korpisalo...

No? I mean, does he????
 
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